if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[prophecyistrue]

If I said I found God in a sunset, would you say that is wrong? It is possible to find God in all things (whether that thing be sinful or not). That does not mean we must embrace it in its entirety or at all. For example, a sinful behavior can eventually lead a person towards God -- see Augustine and how, looking back, he saw God guiding him.

Harry Potter has Christian principles and values within it. It is entirely possible for a person to come to God through the book and become better Christians. They are not going to start doing sorcery and whatnot, but rather, through the books, have a better understanding of the Paschal mystery in some way that they did not before and have begun to appreciate the what Jesus did for us. (A similar appreciation can be gathered from Aslan in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe).

To the Original Post, from long ago, perhaps he would have. But that would not be for me to decide. We all could end up going to Hell! Only God gets to make the decision, and it is up to his love, mercy, and justice to decide that. Only God knows what grace He has offered us and whether or not a person has ultimately rejected Him.

I heard of someone getting saved at a Marilyn Manson concert, when witnessing how completely evil everything was this person fell to their knees and repented of their sinfulness.......so do we as Christians now endorse Marilyn Manson....I mean really!

 

[FullyMT]

I heard of someone getting saved at a Marilyn Manson concert, when witnessing how completely evil everything was this person fell to their knees and repented of their sinfulness.......so do we as Christians now endorse Marilyn Manson....I mean really!

Harry Potter is not pure evil and has a Christological allegory. Just like LWW and LotR. Both of which also involve magic. If you also do not like those, then fine, but if you are ok with them, then you are not following logic.

 

[ToBeInChrist]

Moses, God's Prophets, the Apostles... All of these were commissioned by God, were being obedient to God and faithful to His revealed way. God gifted them, empowered them, guided them, and moved them to perform various wonders. The Apostles were performing miracles while preaching of the Kingdom of God. Jesus was God incarnate, and He did what He saw the Father doing, and He was obedient to God, without sin. They weren't casting spells muttering incantations or following after omens or consulting the dead through mediumship/spiritism. Many Christian converts in Acts burned up their books of curious arts.

On the other hand, with Harry Potter and various fantasy magic books you have the main heroic characters in apprenticeship, going to a school to harness abilities and learn techniques to do things that Scripture says we shouldn't do, incantations/enchantments, divination and following after omens, or studies mediumship or consults with the dead, casting spells, etc.. Harry Potter and other sorcerers/magicians in such books are not obedient to God, are not acting in faithful obedience to God, are not preaching the Kingdom of God, are not repenting of doing what God hates, are not renouncing such occult and magical practices as sins and burning up their magic books.

 

[FullyMT]

Moses, God's Prophets, the Apostles... All of these were commissioned by God, were being obedient to God and faithful to His revealed way. God gifted them, empowered them, guided them, and moved them to perform various wonders. The Apostles were performing miracles while preaching of the Kingdom of God. Jesus was God incarnate, and He did what He saw the Father doing, and He was obedient to God, without sin. They weren't casting spells muttering incantations or following after omens or consulting the dead through mediumship/spiritism. Many Christian converts in Acts burned up their books of curious arts.

On the other hand, with Harry Potter and various fantasy magic books you have the main heroic characters in apprenticeship, going to a school to harness abilities and learn techniques to do things that Scripture says we shouldn't do, incantations/enchantments, divination and following after omens, or studies mediumship or consults with the dead, casting spells, etc.. Harry Potter and other sorcerers/magicians in such books are not obedient to God, are not acting in faithful obedience to God, are not preaching the Kingdom of God, are not repenting of doing what God hates, are not renouncing such occult and magical practices as sins and burning up their magic books.

mediumship/consulting the dead is not really done. Again, the things they do are not actually possible in real life because they all involve things that DO NOT EXIST. It is impossible to do the magic found within the realm of Harry Potter. I do renounce ACTUAL occult and magical practice. What is in Harry Potter is not, and any Christian who can separate fantasy from fiction can understand and do that.
Anyways...I have work to finish and I think I've said all I can without becoming too redundant. I'm out.

 

[Fireinfolding]

That would be a good study, in examining the power by the magicians in the days of Pharoah, to the rod (even of power) given Moses whose rod swallows up theirs.

In respects to divinations, if you run "He saith" and divination its speaking out of ones heart (not by Him) or as a lie (not by truth)

Jerm 21:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

Ezek 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

Here too...

Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:

"The Great ones"...

To bewitch folks is to throw them "out of place" sorta like displacing them (from one thing to another) or speaking lies for truth. (To be moved out of your position)

In Ezekiel speaking a lying divination was simply by saying the LORD saith (while speaking in His name) but The Lord had not spoken

God would cast Hannaniah off the face of the earth for doing that, and the prophet did die, these bring swift destruction upon themselves.

Same thing is seen in the guy Paul said, you child of the devil, they cease not to pervert THE WAYS OF THE LORD, by displacing others, thus TURNING them from the faith (as there) and so a mist of darkness fell upon Him, which is Gods swift witness against sorcerers (there) unto darkness

 

[sbvd]

I wonder if those who indulge in divination know about the Euro-lotto

EuroLotto - Europe's biggest daily Lotto draw - Home

 

[Fireinfolding]

Those who have a love of money might

 

[bbbbbbb]

Those who have a love of money might

Oddly enough, that is one sin we can't pin on HP.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Oddly enough, that is one sin we can't pin on HP.

I would have to agree.

If we are playing fairly in the game of "Pin the Sin on the Potter"

I cant bear a false witness against HP and say he did, that would make me a liar and no better then a hollywood wizard

 

[Fireinfolding]

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who is.. Harry Potter?

Couldnt resist

 

[SonOfTheWest]

Today is a new day and I'm still....NOT worried about superfluous stuff that isn't worth getting upset over. And I still need/want to see the last two Harry Potter movies. Oh what will this poor Christian soul do?!

 

[Fireinfolding]

Today is a new day and I'm still....NOT worried about superfluous stuff that isn't worth getting upset over. And I still need/want to see the last two Harry Potter movies. Oh what will this poor Christian soul do?!

Dont forget your garlic (lol)

Opps, that would be for the Twilight series

A Vampire that will not bite humans and who wants to be married before he has sexual relations... who would have thunk'd it?

 

[SonOfTheWest]

Dont forget your garlic (lol)

Opps, that would be for the Twilight series

A Vampire that will not bite humans and who wants to be married before he has sexual relations... who would have thunk'd it?

Now Twilight...I can't stand. I love vampire movies, novels,etc but the glitzy, sexy vampire angle in those I've almost always hated.

 

[God's Word]

I'd just like to know how some of you folks justify the wasting of time on such stuff? We're not our own. We're bought with a price. Is this what Christ shed His precious blood for? To read about sorcerers and vampires? I'm praying for many of you...and I couldn't care less if someone calls me "holier than thou" for saying so. Maybe I am "holier than thou". I know this much...I do my best to stay away from that which grieves the Holy Ghost.

 

[A New Dawn]

And a word of advice Frankleespeaking, watch out for rabbit trails and red herrings that are meant to sidetrack and derail the heart of the matter, even from those who say they're christians.

Everyone posting here is a Christian.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I'd just like to know how some of you folks justify the wasting of time on such stuff? We're not our own. We're bought with a price. Is this what Christ shed His precious blood for? To read about sorcerers and vampires? I'm praying for many of you...and I couldn't care less if someone calls me "holier than thou" for saying so. Maybe I am "holier than thou". I know this much...I do my best to stay away from that which grieves the Holy Ghost.

Bro, its been no secret (here) given I have said so before (having been here for many years) that I really dont watch much TV (at all). Maybe 10% of the time (if that). And for the most part because my husband (who is also an unbeliever) has it on. Given my physical predicament and where I am parked with my computer I certainly cannot change that (for myself) let alone for you (or anyone else)


The hubby WATCHES TV ((((ALL OF THE TIME)))


I cannot avoid it bro. I used to try but I am unable to.

TWO movies doesnt consititute ALL of my time brother

Its often just like backround noise that begins at 6pm when my husband comes home till he goes off to bed. He says (to me) you have it your way all day, when I come home I have it my way, I agree

Just like right now he is heading into the bedroom to play his playstation, so he gets up, turns of the TV for me and tells me "you can put your music on". Because I always have worship music on, I love it! and he allows me that (which I love him for) because he could say, "turn that stuff off" (given he is an unbeliever) but he dont, God has shown favor to me through him on this

The TV round' here dont come on till 6 PM. Its not on all day, Im too into studying then watching fictional shows. However, Its not really an issue with me brother. I do prefer none at all, but I am not going to play ~as if~ I have not watched a movie that will have everyones stamp of aproval. The meat I eat dont why shlould I expect this to be any different? It hasnt hurt me none. Contrarily it seems to be hurting you more, if so dont watch any of it, its not worth the distress you are going through.

But if it distresses you (even concerning myself) will it help you any to handle this better if I said I had no intention of watching it again?


And... if I did (by accident) I would know not to tell you of it (promise)

Well, because of "re-runs" (you know...)

 

[Rick Otto]

Harry Potter has especialy cool special effects, but theology aside, the story, characters & acting were too predictably rote to make it worth watchin' for the effects.
Basicaly, the story & acting ruined the special effects.
For that, they will all be punished severly if not eternaly!
lol

 

[bbbbbbb]

There is no doubt that HP will not make it into the list of Great Literature of All Time. If you look at the list of Great Literature of All Time you will find an astonishing number of books which are highly objectionable to Christian sensibilities.

 

[ToBeInChrist]

There are stories where the main character/hero is not a witch/warlock/wizard

There are stories where any witches/warlocks/wizards are limited to supporting roles

There are stories where the creatures who do magic are not human

There are stories where the witches/warlocks/wizards are the enemies who the main characters must overcome

Why is it that nowadays so many people are finding it entertaining to watch a boy wizard learn how to cast spells, practice divination, etc.? Why is this today's example of a heroic fantasy character? Why is the story of coming to maturity set in a school of wizardry, the story of a sorcerer's apprentice?

There is better fantasy if you want to spend your time on it. At least you could spend time on fantasy where humans who are not magical defeat evil sorcerers or destroy vampires or werewolves or dragons, instead of on fantasy where the heroes are sorcerers, vampires, werewolves, and dragons.

Our society's heroes are sexual perverts and rebels and witches.

What's next, pedophile heros? Nazi heros?

 

[bbbbbbb]

There are stories where the main character/hero is not a witch/warlock/wizard

There are stories where any witches/warlocks/wizards are limited to supporting roles

There are stories where the creatures who do magic are not human

There are stories where the witches/warlocks/wizards are the enemies who the main characters must overcome

Why is it that nowadays so many people are finding it entertaining to watch a boy wizard learn how to cast spells, practice divination, etc.? Why is this today's example of a heroic fantasy character? Why is the story of coming to maturity set in a school of wizardry, the story of a sorcerer's apprentice?

There is better fantasy if you want to spend your time on it. At least you could spend time on fantasy where humans who are not magical defeat evil sorcerers or destroy vampires or werewolves or dragons, instead of on fantasy where the heroes are sorcerers, vampires, werewolves, and dragons.

Our society's heroes are sexual perverts and rebels and witches.

What's next, pedophile heros? Nazi heros?

Apparently your knowledge of literature and music is limited to anything produced within the last ten years.

As a child growing up I was fascinated by the television program, Bewitched. Also the Twlight Zone was immensely popular, not to mention some of the films by Alfred Hitchcock.

Going back further, there are the (in)famous operas of Richard Wagner which the Nazis found so enchanting (if you will pardon my pun).

Wagner got his material from earlier sources such as Das Ring des Nibelungen, which has origins in the very dim past.

These are just a smattering of examples which, to me, show that human nature really is unchanged. We are all sinners.