if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[LittleLambofJesus]

if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell



Exodus 22:18 One being a sorceress/witch/03784 kashaph not thou shall let live.

Revelation 9:21 And not they repent/reform out of their murders, nor out from their sorceries/farmakeiwn <5331>.........

Whoa! This is interesting.
The word for "pharisee" used in the NT is derived from the greek words used for "pharoah" and "poison/venom" Fascinating!

Matthew 23:2 saying "upon the seat of Moses are seated the Scribes and the Pharisees/farisaioi <5330>
[Revelation 9:21]

Revelation 9:21 And not they repent/reform out of their murders, nor out from their sorceries/farmakeiwn <5331>.........

5330. Pharisaios of Hebrew origin (c a separatist, i.e. exclusively religious; a Pharisean, i.e. Jewish sectary:--Pharisee.
5328. Pharao of foreign origin (6547); Pharao (i.e. Pharoh), an Egyptian king:--Pharaoh.
2447. ios perhaps from eimi (to go) or hiemi (to send); rust (as if emitted by metals); also venom (as emitted by serpents):--poison, rust. AV - poison 2, rust 1; 3
5331. pharmakeia from 5332; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively):--sorcery, witchcraft.

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

....So we see that the garments worn by this rich man were symbolic of royalty and the priesthood. With that in mind, let's see what God told Moses just before giving the Israelites the Law on Mount Sinai:......

......If the Pharisees and scribes understood Yeshua's prophetic parable, it must have astonished and infuriated them. How could the Jews become alienated from God while the elect Gentiles became the "seed of Abraham"?
The implication that the House of Judah and those called from the Gentile nations were to change places would have been almost impossible for the Pharisees and scribes to believe...........

 

[A New Dawn]

When I got into reading sci-fi/fantasy, at first it was things like Wrinkle in Time. Then shortly thereafter it was Lord of the Rings. I wanted to read about more wizardry and weird occult power confrontations than either provided. So I was drawn into other fantasy which got more into battling wizards, and in D&D I always wanted to play the magic user. Over time I did explore real occultism and magick.

Early on, about when I was just starting reading Wrinkle In TIme and LOTR, 5th - 6th grade, 6th grade summer, I was also interested in seeing if hypnosis or ESP were real, and I didn't mind getting out the horoscope and numerology books from the library.

While I also sometimes read the Bible and wondered about the Bible prohibiting magic, I saw that my mom didn't say anything against horoscopes or reading cards or numerology books, and I kept hearing how things were different for Christians somehow, a lot of the old rules were said to no longer be valid, so I felt ok with what I was doing, and later I got more and more into this stuff.

My heart got to a point where I just didn't care what was in the Bible. It just didn't bother me at all that the Bible said something was awful.

In the last year or so I read Lewis' Narnia books and Space Trilogy. I could see someone reading Lewis and being able to weed out the parts that get medieval/hermetic, do a bit of sifting due to good discernment, and not get into a heart attitude that glorified sorcery. On the other hand, Tolkien (Lord of the Rings) and L'engle (Wrinkle in Time) create gnostic-like alternate realities and glamorize magic powers more. Harry Potter and other sci-fi makes magic and occult power a 'fun subject', fascinating, enjoyable -- glorifying various things in ways that desensitize us to God's prohibition on such things.

Where is our heart on these matters? Some things are so contrary to the heart of a faithful Christian -- things like pornography, fantasy about magic schools, homosexuality, vampire fiction -- we really should ask ourselves where is our heart? Is our heart really following after Jesus? What sort of thing entertains us, and what does that say about our heart?

Christ will not lose even one soul whom God drags to him to save. (John 6:37) There is no way that a true believer will ever be lost over the issue of reading a fictional book.

 

[brinny]

if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell



Exodus 22:18 One being a sorceress/witch/03784 kashaph not thou shall let live.

Revelation 9:21 And not they repent/reform out of their murders, nor out from their sorceries/farmakeiwn <5331>.........

Where DO you come up with these things?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
....................Well, although I hope that this ministers to somebody, I won't be the least bit surprised if my latest attempt to help is just met with more false accusations of my "spiritual superiority" and "holier than thou attitude". Can't blame a guy for trying...

Let's just admit it, we all here are fools for Christ

1 Corinthians 3:18 No one himself let be deluded! If any is presuming wise to be in ye in this age, a fool let him be becoming! that he may be becoming wise.

Young) 1 Corinthians 4:10 we [are] fools because of Christ, and ye wise in Christ; we [are] ailing, and ye strong; ye glorious, and we dishonoured;

&#x202a;Rocky 3 - Mr. T - I pity the fool&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

 

[Lion King]

Christ will not lose even one soul whom God drags to him to save. (John 6:37) There is no way that a true believer will ever be lost over the issue of reading a fictional book.

Interesting doctrine, but is this what Scripture actually says? The word of God seems to suggest that a person can lose his salvation (have his name blotted from the Book of Life).

"When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he has committed, he shall die for it." Ezekiel 33:13

 

[A New Dawn]

Interesting doctrine, but is this what Scripture actually says? The word of God seems to suggest that a person can lose his salvation (have his name blotted from the Book of Life).

"When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he has committed, he shall die for it." Ezekiel 33:13

Did you read the scripture you quoted? I highlighted the part in red that indicates why he would not gain salvation. People who trust in their own righteousness, rather than Christ's, will not be saved.

Now, did you read the scripture I indicated?

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

 

[God's Word]

I read it. There's a big difference between Jesus "casting out" someone who comes to Him and someone willfully walking away from Him. Big difference. "Seducing spirits" and "doctrines of devils" certainly can and do play a part in the latter. (I Timothy 4:1)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Where DO you come up with these things?

Thru lots of prayer and fasting

Rotherham) Daniel 9:3 So I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek [him] by prayer, and supplication,--with fasting, and sackcloth and ashes;

YoungLT) Matt 17:18 and Jesus rebuked him, and the demon went out of him, and the lad was healed from that hour.
19 Then the disciples having come to Jesus by himself, said, "Wherefore were we not able to cast him out?"
20 And Jesus said to them, "through your want of faith. For verily I say to ye, if ye may have faith as a grain of mustard, ye shall say to this mount, 'remove hence to yonder place' and it shall remove, and nothing shall be impossible to ye,
21 and this kind doth not go forth except in prayer and fasting."
[Mark 9:21]

 

[A New Dawn]

I read it. There's a big difference between Jesus "casting out" someone who comes to Him and someone willfully walking away from Him. Big difference. "Seducing spirits" and "doctrines of devils" certainly can and do play a part in the latter. (I Timothy 4:1)

The first part of the scripture has just as much bearing as the last part. But if you need more proof that Christ will save them, you can read verse 44.

Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Between these two verses you have the promise that all whom God draws to Christ to be saved will be raised up at the last day.

 

[Lion King]

Did you read the scripture you quoted? I highlighted the part in red that indicates why he would not gain salvation. People who trust in their own righteousness, rather than Christ's, will not be saved.

Now, did you read the scripture I indicated?

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Care to explain to me why Jesus Christ would go to all the trouble of personally warning the seven churches in Revelation 2 & 3, if a person is always saved?

 

[A New Dawn]

Care to explain to me why Jesus Christ would go to all the trouble of personally warning the seven churches in Revelation 2 & 3, if a person is always saved?

Not everyone who claims to be saved, is.

 

[Lion King]

Not everyone who claims to be saved, is.

No, the assemblies in Revelation belonged to the LORD, that we know for sure.

“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
11 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”’ Revelation 2:9-11

Now, care to try again?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not everyone who claims to be saved, is.

No, the assemblies in Revelation belonged to the LORD, that we know for sure.

Now, care to try again?

For some reason I just can't picture Jesus coming to save these shifty characters

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, "Ye do err , not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God".

John 5:39 "Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them Life age-during to be having, and those are the ones-testifying about Me".

Matt 23:33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

http://www.christianforums.com/t7464995/
Why no mention of "gehenna" in Paul's Epistles?

 

[A New Dawn]

No, the assemblies in Revelation belonged to the LORD, that we know for sure.

“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
11 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”’ Revelation 2:9-11

No. Individuals in the assemblies belonged to the Lord. He wouldn't have had to use the "he who has an ear, let him hear" bit if everyone heard.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No. Individuals in the assemblies belonged to the Lord. He wouldn't have had to use the "he who has an ear, let him hear" bit if everyone heard.

The 4th assembly is a particular good study where, not only does Jesus proclaim Himself as Son of God, but also speaks the longest and most damning message to it.

Reve 2:18 And to the messenger of the Out-called in Thyatira, write!
Now this is saying the Son of the God, the One having the eyes of Him as flame of fire, and the feet of Him as to burnished-brass.
20 But I am having against of thee *few.
That thou suffer the woman/wife Jezebel, the one saying herself Prophetess and she is teaching and deceiving My bond-servants to prostitue and to be eating idol-sacrifices.
[1 King 16:31/Reve 18:7]

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series

*snip*
The church in Thyatira has a longer message delivered to it from Jesus Christ than any of the seven

.........There is one name in the Bible that no parents would think to give to their daughter, and that name is Jezebel. The name Jezebel sweeps across the pages of the Bible. The typical Jezebel of the Old Testament was the daughter of Ethbaal, king of Tyre and Sidon. The name Ethbaal means "with Baal." Prior to becoming king, Ethbaal was a priest to the goddess Astarte, also known as Ashtoreth or Ishtar. This was the goddess of sensual love and sex. From her childhood Jezebel was steeped in false religion and government. Jezebel grew up in an atmosphere of position, power, and prestige..........

 

[Lion King]

No. Individuals in the assemblies belonged to the Lord. He wouldn't have had to use the "he who has an ear, let him hear" bit if everyone heard.

Why would Jesus Christ say only those who are faithful to death will be given the crown of life, if a person "once saved is always saved"?

Even the apostle Peter seemed to suggest otherwise:

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

Romans 8:38 is pretty clear about where we stand when it comes to Christs love.
I understand the perspective about causing a brother to stumble.
However, if we were to abstain from everything that would cause a brother to fall we would hardly be living the life God intended for us. Something as innocuous as serving at a homeless mission could be viewed as encouraging the furthered delinquency of another person.

We must be responsible for each other, however I believe God also has something to do with the protection of younger siblings in Christ. I wouldn't encourage any of you who debate against Harry Potter to read it because you have a feeling that it is not good for you. I think that God tells each of us what we can and cannot handle. For some it's not right to handle fantasy.

 

[A New Dawn]

Why would Jesus Christ say only those who are faithful to death will be given the crown of life, if a person "once saved is always saved"?

Even the apostle Peter seemed to suggest otherwise:

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22

Have you read all of 2 Peter 2? It is talking about the most heinous people. Anyway, not all who claim to be saved, are saved. Some think that they are saved, and might have had an emotional reaction to hearing the gospel, but are not truly saved in their heart, and turn back to their natural ways. Not all who cry "Lord, Lord" are Christ's. Those that endure to the end in the faith are those whose hearts were turned by God and saved by Christ.

 

[God's Word]

I wouldn't encourage any of you who debate against Harry Potter to read it because you have a feeling that it is not good for you. I think that God tells each of us what we can and cannot handle. For some it's not right to handle fantasy.

For me, personally, it has nothing to do with what I "cannot handle". As I've already said, not only do my own wife and many of her family members have backgrounds which were/still are steeped in witchcraft, but I've also personally met other practicing witches and I've had much experience in the ministry of casting out of demons, so I can handle plenty...by the grace and power of God, of course.

As far as "causing a brother to stumble" and the rest is concerned, I'm confident that I've said enough already. I'm ready to move on to other things with whatever time I have left on this forum, so this will most likely be my "good-bye" to this thread.

It's been real...even though it's only been "fantasy" to some.



Romans 16:19-20

"For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen."

 

[suzybeezy]

Do you think that the constant barrage of the media (tv/movies/books/music) which promotes the immoral values of the popular culture has brainwashed many people into thinking that pornography, sex outside of marriage, drinking, gambling, witchcraft, etc is OK? Contrast what the media says to what God says in Philippians 4:8; 1 Cor 6:18-20 and Eph 5:18. The media has a way of making things that are clearly sinful to God and that will damage or destroy our lives seem like harmless fun.

I urge you to take whatever steps are necessary to protect your heart and mind from the negative influence of the media (which means that you need to limit what you hear and see - for example refuse to listen to music and watch tv shows/movies or read books that glamorize sin). Don't be fooled into thinking that the media "doesn't have any effect on me".