If God could be proven scientifically

[Birthew]

I think many people would believe. I certainly would. Why can God not be proven scientifically?

How does God expect people outside of any religions influence to come to him. To chose the correct religion. All I can see is to read through every holy book and then see which one I feel is the real one?

If there was an experiment, whereby individuals with no influences of religion or evolution, had 10 minutes with each religion explaining the various beliefs. And without any bias or saying each other is wrong, so the person can make their own choice. Do you think they would chose the correct religion?

 

[texastig]

The Bible is the only book that offers complete forgiveness for sins.

 

[CalvinAndHobbes]

You can't prove God scientifically, empirically--that is, find physical evidence of God. It's a categorical error to expect to find physical evidence of a non-physical being.

Also, people have biases; that's what allows us to make decisions in the first place. If someone were to go into a situation without an biases and hear from every religion what they believe the decision maker, being absent of any and all biases, would be stuck and unable to make a decision because the decision would be rooted in nothing.

If you really want to determine what religion is true, I'd suggest starting with Christianity. I don't say this out of arrogance, but rather because Christianity is the easiest religion to shoot down if it is indeed false. Do some research on the resurrection of Christ and the historical legitimacy of it. I did, and I was overwhelmed by how likely it is that Christ truly rose from the dead. If this claim were to be proven wrong, it would be the end of Christianity entirely. So, start researching if you want to know which religion is true.

 

[Birthew]

The Bible is the only book that offers complete forgiveness for sins.

Why should I take your word for it? There are plenty of other religions saying the same thing... see my point?

 

[Birthew]

You can't prove God scientifically, empirically--that is, find physical evidence of God. It's a categorical error to expect to find physical evidence of a non-physical being.

Also, people have biases; that's what allows us to make decisions in the first place. If someone were to go into a situation without an biases and hear from every religion what they believe the decision maker, being absent of any and all biases, would be stuck and unable to make a decision because the decision would be rooted in nothing.

If you really want to determine what religion is true, I'd suggest starting with Christianity. I don't say this out of arrogance, but rather because Christianity is the easiest religion to shoot down if it is indeed false. Do some research on the resurrection of Christ and the historical legitimacy of it. I did, and I was overwhelmed by how likely it is that Christ truly rose from the dead. If this claim were to be proven wrong, it would be the end of Christianity entirely. So, start researching if you want to know which religion is true.

But there is no way for Christs res erection to be proven wrong, or indeed correct. People who wrote it at the time obvious believed in him so are likely to write down their beliefs. Why can't God be contemporary instead faith having to be based retrospectively.

 

[oi_antz]

But there is no way for Christs res erection to be proven wrong, or indeed correct. People who wrote it at the time obvious believed in him so are likely to write down their beliefs. Why can't God be contemporary instead faith having to be based retrospectively.

God is contemporary for those of us who belong to Him, just that Jesus' body resides in heaven. The deity of Christ is still here though, and us Christians, we can see the deity of Christ in the people we speak to! God is in the face of people all around us!

For those of us who belong to someone else, God is not real. In fact the extremist's the Satanist's believe that Satan is God. Jesus on the other hand is the human form of God who has defeated Satan, because He is God's son who took on a human form.

One day when the time is right we will be reunited with Jesus in bodily form. Meanwhile there is a war going on over your soul, and the two forces are fighting for dominion - will you follow God or will you follow one of His enemies? What is stopping you from following God? What is stopping you from following Satan? Would it be fair if God and Satan showed up physically? Probably not. The point is that we need to love God for who He is as a person, not for His appearance or might, but because He is the perfect person to love.

 

[oi_antz]

I think many people would believe. I certainly would. Why can God not be proven scientifically?

How does God expect people outside of any religions influence to come to him. To chose the correct religion. All I can see is to read through every holy book and then see which one I feel is the real one?

If there was an experiment, whereby individuals with no influences of religion or evolution, had 10 minutes with each religion explaining the various beliefs. And without any bias or saying each other is wrong, so the person can make their own choice. Do you think they would chose the correct religion?

Christianity is hard to get into because you have to surrender your entire life to God. You have to quit this and that, you have to stop doing things that you love to do because the bible says it is sinful. That is a huge leap of faith. Other religions are the opposite, very easy to get in but hard to leave, because that is what religion is: a snare. So you should be careful who you choose to learn from, which is why Jesus is the best person to learn from. If you pray and ask for His guidance when you read the bible, if your prayer is sincere then He may show you something you never knew before.

 

[bling]

I have been in this discussion on: http://www.christianforums.com/t7584908/ so you can read about it.

You say “belief” but it is really knowledge you are talking about and not (faith/trust). Knowledge of God’s existence is not the objective of man and actual works against man fulfilling his objective.

 

[Paul.]

Why can't God be contemporary instead faith having to be based retrospectively.

Events are only ever contemporary to people who were alive when it happened. In time every single event will cease to be contemporary because people do not live for ever, and even if they did, it would not be contemporary for those who were born many years later.

I suppose that God could send Jesus back ever hundred or fifty years to relive his life so that it was contemporary for everyone. The problem with that idea is (apart from the lack of Roman soldiers around who still know how to do a proper crucifixion) that if it happened in Jerusalem, how would you hear about it? How would you investigate the facts to determine if it was true?

 

[salida]

I think many people would believe. I certainly would. Why can God not be proven scientifically?

How does God expect people outside of any religions influence to come to him. To chose the correct religion. All I can see is to read through every holy book and then see which one I feel is the real one?

If there was an experiment, whereby individuals with no influences of religion or evolution, had 10 minutes with each religion explaining the various beliefs. And without any bias or saying each other is wrong, so the person can make their own choice. Do you think they would chose the correct religion?

God gives men many chances
From one man he made every nation of men, so that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the time set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out to him, though he is not far from each one of us, Acts 17:26-27. (So, God does all he can without forcing people)

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. (Seeing creation alone is a big clue).

Fingerprints that point to God
http://www.christianevidence.com/2009/04/big-creation.html

http://creation.com/scientists-alive-today-who-accept-the-biblical-account-of-creation

(the universe is not eternal)-evidence for God- scientific
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/beginning.html
http://www.allaboutscience.org/intelligent-design.htm

Science validates my faith.

Scientifically? Many things can't be tested in a lab.
Why everything can’t be proven scientifically
Many people think that if something can't be proved scientifically then is completely false and doesn't exist. But this is a myth. The Scientific method is not the only way to prove the validity of something. It everything was like this then you can't prove that Abraham Lincoln was the president of the U.S because you can't repeat this event that belongs to the past. Also you can't prove scientifically that you had a test last Wednesday at AM, because you can't repeat it again in a controlled manner where you can register observations and data. Once it happens it is history. Anything that can't be proved scientifically can be proved by the historical method or the evidential method, which includes oral testimonies, physical testimonies. This method is used in the courts of the whole world to prove evidence and is the only one that is applied in historical events. The way that was proven that The scientific method is limited and you can't proved the events mentioned before.

 

[Hakan101]

If there was proof, we wouldn't believe in God, we would know God exists. But this still wouldn't mean we would have faith in him. One can know God exists and still doubt that he's everything he claims to be (ever seen people call God a liar?). They could still refuse to repent. And I'm sure many nonbelievers would refuse. Or they would demand answers, more miracles, etc. Proof wouldn't really do much to help us.

 

[Johnnz]

But there is no way for Christs res erection to be proven wrong, or indeed correct. People who wrote it at the time obvious believed in him so are likely to write down their beliefs. Why can't God be contemporary instead faith having to be based retrospectively.

Scientific 'proof' (and that is now seen as far less objective than once thought) , is only one way of knowing. We understand experiential evidence ( I enjoyed that apple, I like football), witness (as in the legal system), historical, and logical. The resurrection can be assessed quite adequately on such criteria.

John
NZ

 

[GA777]

God wants faith in him and his word,tho. there is plenty of prophecies and predictions in the bible which were fulfilled centuries later after they were written,some later,some which have fulfilled not long ago,and some which were proved 2000s and 3000s years before Science,when people were totally ignorant of such things.

And historians confirm the existance of Jesus.Nobody loved people as much as Jesus did,nobody died for us,to save us from death and nobody resurrected from the dead and nobody did what Jesus did (miracles-getting the word to spread so quickly and to influence people that much and to get people prefer to die and not lose their faith)

 

[drich0150]

I think many people would believe. I certainly would. Why can God not be proven scientifically?

Primarily because of the example give to us by the Jews. Look at what "we/people" did when their was absolute evidence of God in our day to day lives. (The exodus)

How does God expect people outside of any religions influence to come to him. To chose the correct religion. All I can see is to read through every holy book and then see which one I feel is the real one?

We have spoken about this before take another look at the parable of the Bags of money in Mt 25: 14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’
21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’
22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’
23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’
24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’
26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. 28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Couple that with the teaching we get in Heb 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13

What we have is a very clear teaching in Mt 25 that says we are not held to the same material standards. we will be judged according to our abilities and what we were given. I put in Heb 4 so that their will be no doubt in the thoroughness of our judgment. nothing will be hidden, nothing can be faked or concealed. You will be held account to your exposure of God's word and weather or not you truly had an opportunity or the understanding of it to allow the gospel to grow in your heart, or if you simply snuffed it out with the excuse of logic and reason so that you could live the life you wanted to live.

Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
If there was an experiment, whereby individuals with no influences of religion or evolution, had 10 minutes with each religion explaining the various beliefs. And without any bias or saying each other is wrong, so the person can make their own choice. Do you think they would chose the correct religion?

No because all religion in of itself is wrong. Religion is man's attempt to reach up to God. That alone makes it worthless. It is only when we couple our efforts with the efforts that God has put in place that we can find righteousness.

 

[Pure760]

I think many people would believe. I certainly would. Why can God not be proven scientifically?

How does God expect people outside of any religions influence to come to him. To chose the correct religion. All I can see is to read through every holy book and then see which one I feel is the real one?

If there was an experiment, whereby individuals with no influences of religion or evolution, had 10 minutes with each religion explaining the various beliefs. And without any bias or saying each other is wrong, so the person can make their own choice. Do you think they would chose the correct religion?

God can be proven scientifically and in some cases already has but they eaither will not admit to it for fear of being thought of as looney or they think its somthing they don't understand yet. But yes God can be seen in very advanced forms of quantum mechanics.

If people were given a bunch of religions with no background I believe they would choose the correct one, given that it is correct because God makes perfect logical sense.

 

[razeontherock]

Why can God not be proven scientifically?

That would be no god, but a piece of wood or stone, that cannot hear, see, nor save.

 

[ishallbefree10]

Proving God exists scientfically would be rather hard.
Why dosen't he just appear before us for the whole world to see?

 

[bling]

Proving God exists scientfically would be rather hard.
Why dosen't he just appear before us for the whole world to see?

Because faith is needed by us to help us fulfill our earthly objective.

 

[Ave Maria]

If God could be proven scientifically, there would be no need for faith and God wants us to have faith in Him.

 

[Makoto]

There's these books I really like, "Out With Doubt" and "A Matter of Fact", both by Kyle Butt. While not proof, he talks about the evidence we have of God's existence and that the Bible is God's word. It's written for early high school students, but I'd recommend them to anyone who wanted to explore the topic further.