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Sounds like a good incentive not to destroy the world, wouldn't you agree?cryptobranchus said:One last post for the night. If (more like when) the world is destroyed then all of our knowledge is destroyed with it, so why defend knowledge when the knowledge will not last?
That God created the heavens and the earth - Gen 1:1!!cryptobranchus said:To jellybrain,
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
Oh snaps!
By the way, if you don't take the above verse literally then what from the Bible is literal?
Just like in the future, our knowledge of evolution may change. thats if scientists find out if things are different.
Your questions have nothing to do with science or evolution and the answers to your questions won't be found there. You are discussing theology and philosophy. Why don't you take it to the proper board (start with apologetics).cryptobranchus said:Also this is not Apologetics because apologetics is the branch of theology that is concerned with defending or proving the truth of Christian doctrines or it is a formal argumentation in defense of something, such as a position or system. Right now I am not trying to defend the Christian faith. I am trying to raise questions in non-Christians.
cryptobranchus said:So what if scientist find out things are different and evolution can't happen?
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And what if they find out the sun really revolves around the earth? And what if germs really don't cause disease? Somethings that science knows, it knows with a great deal of certainty, despite beign technically provisional.
Young-earth, literal creationism was abandoned because the data did not support it. It was only ever accepted for theological reasons.cryptobranchus said:
What about when most scientists believed in a literal 6 day creation? Would you have believed in a literal 6 day creation because the scientist did?
Sometimes, science is wrong. Newton was wrong about the causes of gravity. There is nothing wrong with being wrong. It is far worse to cling to dogma in the face of overwhelming challenge.cryptobranchus said:That would mean that you would believe in something that was true at the time, and then you would have to change your beliefs once scientists decide that the model (or theory) was wrong. Then if the theory changes again, so would your beliefs (unless you decide that the scientist are wrong), and also if the theory keeps changing then you are continually proven wrong.
I, personally, don't agree with every scientific theory proposed. For instance, I favor Out-of-Africa over Multiregionalism. I like inflationary cosmology, but am not prepared to say I believe it. What convinces is a good argument supported by sound data, not the whim of a high-preist of science.cryptobranchus said:What would you say if they could prove a literal 6 day creation? I wouldnt believe in a literal six day creation just because the scientist at the time thought that it was true. Just because scientist believe in something doesnt mean its true.
Life is enjoyable as it is lived. I can only hope my children have a life full of joy, and if lucky, peace and prosperity. I do not need to live forever, I can appreciate the short time I have, and try to make the best of it.cryptobranchus said:Back again to my other question. If all knowledge will eventually pass away (with the destruction of the planet or the human race) why should you care if the next generation will have it? I have read many posts that say because it will benefit the next generation, but the next generation will die. So what if there is a cure for cancer and aids (if there is no afterlife)? They will die anyway and turn into worm food. Why have kids? They will turn into worm food. Knowledge (if there is no afterlife) will eventually die.
The threat of creationists further degrading our educational system is a real one, and one that I, and many other people, take seriously. Our ecconomy depends more and more on good, solid, scientific education. Creationism threatens that.
cryptobranchus said:Also this is not Apologetics because apologetics is tcryptobranchus said:he branch of theology that is concerned with defending or proving the truth of Christian doctrines or it is a formal argumentation in defense of something, such as a position or system. Right now I am not trying to defend the Christian faith. I am trying to raise questions in non-Christians.
cryptobranchus said:
So what if scientist find out things are different and evolution can't happen?
What about when most scientists believed in a literal 6 day creation? Would you have believed in a literal 6 day creation because the scientist did?
That would mean that you would believe in something that was true at the time, and then you would have to change your beliefs once scientists decide that the model (or theory) was wrong. Then if the theory changes again, so would your beliefs (unless you decide that the scientist are wrong), and also if the theory keeps changing then you are continually proven wrong.
What would you say if they could prove a literal 6 day creation? I wouldnt believe in a literal six day creation just because the scientist at the time thought that it was true. Just because scientist believe in something doesnt mean its true.
Back again to my other question. If all knowledge will eventually pass away (with the destruction of the planet or the human race) why should you care if the next generation will have it?
I have read many posts that say because it will benefit the next generation, but the next generation will die.
So what if there is a cure for cancer and aids (if there is no afterlife)? They will die anyway and turn into worm food. Why have kids? They will turn into worm food. Knowledge (if there is no afterlife) will eventually die.
Also this is not Apologetics because apologetics is t
Now I would like to raise a question for you: Are you so indispensible to the universe that you cannot imagine it functioning without you in it?he branch of theology that is concerned with defending or proving the truth of Christian doctrines or it is a formal argumentation in defense of something, such as a position or system. Right now I am not trying to defend the Christian faith. I am trying to raise questions in non-Christians.
Lucky for me: im studying to be a scientist! Focusing on biology and the earth sciences. So i will be studying all this. I look at everything from a critical point of view, which will make me a good scientist (hopefully, if i do it right). If things are different to evolution, i will probably look at the world around me. Think of my own theorys and work out which one is possible - i will read scientists theorys - then gather up thier evidence (and mine if i have any) and draw up a conclusion. If it somehow did manage to fit in with the 6 day creation (which i doubt) then i would beleive. However - it seems that evolution is the one that makes the most sense (and also the scientist view of how the earth was formed) at the time being!cryptobranchus said:So what if scientist find out things are different and evolution can't happen?
What about when most scientists believed in a literal 6 day creation? Would you have believed in a literal 6 day creation because the scientist did?
That would mean that you would believe in something that was true at the time, and then you would have to change your beliefs once scientists decide that the model (or theory) was wrong. Then if the theory changes again, so would your beliefs (unless you decide that the scientist are wrong), and also if the theory keeps changing then you are continually proven wrong.
What would you say if they could prove a literal 6 day creation? I wouldnt believe in a literal six day creation just because the scientist at the time thought that it was true. Just because scientist believe in something doesnt mean its true.
Of course they would; why wouldn't they?Lonnie said:"Then they would quickly set out to find the things that did happen." ~Nathan Poe
Or would they...
Actually, it does."IOW, why should we care about our children? Very odd question...
In any case, it seems highly unlikely that the destruction of the human race will occur with the next generation." ~ Nathan Poe
That does not awnser the question that cryptobranchus asked.