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If Evolution were true...

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Is it me, or is all Dad is saying

"You are right... but so? It's not in the bible"

You have to understand what weird universe dad live sin. Dad is God's one True Prophet on Earth. His interpretation of scripture and the absurd speculations based on that interpretation are infallible. Anything in the scientific realm that disagrees with dad, is "so-called science," and "In the Box, Godless Lies." Dad need not provide any evidence for his "Split/merge" dadology, yet demands the rest of us "prove" he is wrong. Dad graces us with his presence and we should be grateful He has God's ear and is here to explain where "so-called science" gets everything wrong. Hope that helps. :wave:
 
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Like Santa bringing presents, how else could they have got there... right?
The present contains a video game for Johnny which cannot arise through purely naturalistic unintelligent processes. Who you think the designer is, is not relevant.
 
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The present contains a video game for Johnny which cannot arise through purely naturalistic unintelligent processes. Who you think the designer is, is not relevant.
It also contained an orange which came about through purely naturalistic unintelligent processes.
 
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The present contains a video game for Johnny which cannot arise through purely naturalistic unintelligent processes. Who you think the designer is, is not relevant.

I got a dog. That came from a purely naturalistic unintelligent process that was hijacked by humans thousands of years ago to domesticate wolves into the dogs of today.
 
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I see the problem for you, yes. Not me. You want to say gravity happened along for no reason in particular? Either you know, or do not know...them's the choices!!!

Dad, these things happen simply because of the way the universe is. The laws of the universe do not need a law giver.

SO WHAT!!!!!!!??? So has reproduction, another created trait.

At least you are admitting that evolution is real.

Only in your head. It is relevant to all things at all times. Not negotiable.

So I can give you any possible scenario and you'll be able to tell me exactly how the Bible is applicable to that scenario?

So? Since that doesn't involve genesis, who cares? If you want to defend your imaginary timeframes good luck with that!

If you want to claim that these time frames are imaginary, perhaps you will be so good as to explain how all the techniques and methods we have indicating an ancient world are wrong? Can you point out the flaws in them?

There is no evidence the state was the same, be honest.

Yes there is. There is plenty of evidence that the laws in the past were the same as they are now.

But, I'll humour you here. Let's say that the laws of the universe WERE different in the past. Then answer me this... If the laws in the past had been the same as they are now (consider this as a hypothetical situation), how would the world we see today be different?
 
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I did see Santa deliver the presents before flying away on his sleigh.
Well, if you claim comets delivered life, or a speck delivered the universe, then flew away, we have a right to comprehend that is not really science. That is the point.
 
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The present contains a video game for Johnny which cannot arise through purely naturalistic unintelligent processes. Who you think the designer is, is not relevant.
I guess you wrote the book on not relevant.
 
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Dad, these things happen simply because of the way the universe is. The laws of the universe do not need a law giver.
They happen because of the way it is?????? How hilarious. Since you do not know how long that was!

At least you are admitting that evolution is real.
I do not have a problem with creatures changing.


So I can give you any possible scenario and you'll be able to tell me exactly how the Bible is applicable to that scenario?
Maybe.


If you want to claim that these time frames are imaginary, perhaps you will be so good as to explain how all the techniques and methods we have indicating an ancient world are wrong? Can you point out the flaws in them?
Yes. I can. Name them.

Yes there is. There is plenty of evidence that the laws in the past were the same as they are now.
Funny no one has ever been able to post it. What are you waiting for?
But, I'll humour you here. Let's say that the laws of the universe WERE different in the past. Then answer me this... If the laws in the past had been the same as they are now (consider this as a hypothetical situation), how would the world we see today be different?
Let me try to see what you are saying here. You agree the laws were different.....but you want to know how it woulda been if they were the same?
 
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Let's say that the laws of the universe WERE different in the past.

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Let me try to see what you are saying here. You agree the laws were different.....but you want to know how it woulda been if they were the same?

When he says "let's say" it means he'll for the sake of argument take your position on the subject. He does not agree with you
 
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Well, if you claim comets delivered life, or a speck delivered the universe, then flew away, we have a right to comprehend that is not really science. That is the point.
Unfortunately you don't get to decide what is science and what isn't science. If investigations lead to a conclusion you don't like, that's just tough luck.
 
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They happen because of the way it is?????? How hilarious. Since you do not know how long that was!

*Sigh*

What I mean is that it is the inherent properties of the universe that cause things to act the way they do. Those properties came about in exactly the same way that you create a shape with one side if you twist a loop of paper 180 degrees before attaching the ends together.

I do not have a problem with creatures changing.

Then you do not have a problem with evolution. Glad we got that settled.


Ah, nice. Now you are back-peddling from your earlier position, because there are plenty of scenarios I can think of which cannot be changed in any significant way by any passage in the bible.

Yes. I can. Name them.

Please point out the flaws in radio-carbon dating.

Now, I don't mean that you can just quote the Bible to disagree with it. Any numbskull can do that. I mean, show what step in the procedure followed is faulty, explain what the fault is, how you have determined it is a fault, and propose a way to fix that fault.

Funny no one has ever been able to post it. What are you waiting for?

The above-mentioned radio-carbon dating is one such method. You say that scientists are assuming that the laws back then were different. Well, we can double check the accuracy of that dating technique by using other techniques. if what you are proposing is true, how do you explain the fact that all the dating techniques agree with each other?

it's like this...

(This is an analogy here, Dad, so don't start getting confused. it's a hypothetical thing used to illustrate a point)

Today, one minute is equal to 60 seconds.
1 hour = 60 minutes.
1 day is 24 hours.

Now let's say that back in the past, this wasn't true. Perhaps a minute was 45 seconds, an hour was 72 minutes and a day was 31 hours.

Now, let's say I go back in time to a particular event to see how long ago it was.

I measure my trip back and discover I travelled back in time 172800 seconds. I want to double check that time, so I decide to measure it again, but this time I'll be using minutes. I find out that it is 2880 minutes. And to be even more sure, I measure it once again, but this time using hours. I find I travelled back 48 hours. And one last time, i measure it in days, and find out that it was two days.

Now, the only way for the measurements to be accurate is if the number of seconds in a minute was 60 the whole time. Likewise for hours and days. if the number of minutes in an hour had ever been different, I would have got a figure that didn't add up to what i expected.

This is the same sort of thing we find. If the laws of the universe had ever been different, then the various dating techniques we have would not agree with each other the way they actually do. This shows that the laws of the universe as we experience today have been in effect for the entire time that the universe has existed.

Let me try to see what you are saying here. You agree the laws were different.....but you want to know how it woulda been if they were the same?

*Sigh again*

No, I am asking you this...

What is the difference between a universe were the laws were different in the past and a universe where the laws were the same in the past?
 
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[aside]

If evolution were true ...

Subjunctive mood, people: Learn it, know it, love it.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. I tried to ignore it, but every time I see this thread title ...

OK, I'm done now.
[/aside]
I know what you mean. I had to restrain myself. I once tried to explain that particular point of grammar to my high school English teacher. She was a very nice lady who loved poetry, but she had apparently never heard of the subjunctive mood.

:sigh:
 
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[aside]

If evolution were true ...

Subjunctive mood, people: Learn it, know it, love it.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. I tried to ignore it, but every time I see this thread title ...

OK, I'm done now.
[/aside]
But what if we believe evolution aren't true?
 
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I know what you mean. I had to restrain myself. I once tried to explain that particular point of grammar to my high school English teacher. She was a very nice lady who loved poetry, but she had apparently never heard of the subjunctive mood.

:sigh:


Doubt wish or condition contrary to fact.

I had to sit on my hands to avoid commenting on it.
 
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