If Evolution were true...

[sandwiches]

Data never changes. You may add more data, even more accurate data, but the old data is still data. So, in reply to AVET's little quip....data does not change, though the data in new published articles is certainly new data. Theories may change, on the other hand. As I (and others) have pointed out ad nauseum here, science is self-correctly, while religious dogma (eg creationism) is not. Which should we trust, AVET?

I see what you're saying that observations never change, even when we get newer, more accurate ones and that makes sense. This seems more of a semantics or definition of scope issue than anything, to be honest.

 

[Hespera]

I see what you're saying that observations never change, even when we get newer, more accurate ones and that makes sense. This seems more of a semantics or definition of scope issue than anything, to be honest.

Call it what you like but dont say data changes!

 

[sandwiches]

Call it what you like but dont say data changes!

Oh I'll say it... just to get on your nerves. =P

 

[Hespera]

Oh I'll say it... just to get on your nerves. =P

give aid and comfort to thine enemy, and vex thy friends!

 

[Tiberius]

There would be no earth. No life. Because godless old age evolution is a crock. Get it?

Earth is a product of evolution? You are woefully ignorant. Stop trolling this thread.

 

[dad]

Earth is a product of evolution? You are woefully ignorant. Stop trolling this thread.

Nothing is a product of evolution, evolution is a created trait. Be nice.

 

[dad]

Probably the data you were talking about when you used the word "data" in that post in this thread.

No wonder you guys think the bible is consistent. You can't retain more than a posts worth of information at one time.

Yeah yeah, if someone is clear what they are referring to I can bury them in data. It might not be the kind they like, but I deal with what is available.

 

[dad]

Saying it has been demonstrated doesn't mean it actually has been. How has those things been proven and demonstrated? How has it been proven that jesus actually did heal people?

It was observed and recorded by solid folks. How are your baseless doubts proven and demonstrated?

And how do you know they never believed the earth was flat? I find it very strange that you honestly claim that your ancestors never claimed such. What made them think the earth was round, and how do you know this?

Who said we need to chose between round and flat? Maybe different folks had different guesses. Looking out over the sea, one may have noticed that there is a sort of dip. Some may have put 2 and 2 together. If it keeps bending and bending it must be round.

I'm just confused ?? You talked about some data, and i have no idea what data you are talking about

In regards to what topic? Give me a hint and I will try to cook up some data for you!

 

[Tiberius]

Nothing is a product of evolution, evolution is a created trait. Be nice.

Evidence or gtfo

 

[dad]

Evidence or gtfo

Evidence that creation exists is creation exists. Part of creation involves changes. Changes in life. Those changes were not known by science to have taken place in our set of laws. In fact the record of the bible indicates fast changes occurred. There is no evidence that the present slow changes are the way changes happened. So unless you have evidence that the state was the same, and the changes likewise, you are already out. Hows them apples?

 

[rjc34]

Evidence or gtfo

Just... stop. It's like playing tennis against a brick wall... you're always going to lose.

 

[Darkeonz]

It was observed and recorded by solid folks. How are your baseless doubts proven and demonstrated?

baseless doubts? I don't have doubts. I know the god of the bible cannot exist. You do know that over 99 percent of scientists accept evolution right? There's no controversy at all. And I really mean at all. You just say it was observed and recorded by solid folks ( so that's the people who wrote the bible?). How do you know those people are trustworthy, or that the intention was for people to read what they wrote, literally

Who said we need to chose between round and flat? Maybe different folks had different guesses. Looking out over the sea, one may have noticed that there is a sort of dip. Some may have put 2 and 2 together. If it keeps bending and bending it must be round.

You said without a doubt that your "people" did not ever believe the earth was flat, and seeing as almost EVERYBODY back then believed the earth was flat, I find it strange that you go with the least logical option. The least logical being that they figured out the earth was round without the proper tools. You decided to go against what is most likely

In regards to what topic? Give me a hint and I will try to cook up some data for you!

Listen! read your orginal post. YOU talked about some data, NOT ME. So you tell me what data you are talking about. You didn't even specify what this data was supposed to prove. IF it was data for the proof of god, data that proves evolution wrong? data that proves the stories written in the bible? I HAVE NO CLUE, as i'm not the one who wrote (the data is there)

 

[Tiberius]

Evidence that creation exists is creation exists.

That is the most ridiculous circular argument I've ever heard. By that logic, i can claim anything I want simply by saying that something which exists is only able to exist provided what I want. For example, only the Flying Spaghetti Monster can create gravity, thus the existence of gravity is evidence that the noodly one is real. See the problem?

Part of creation involves changes. Changes in life. Those changes were not known by science to have taken place in our set of laws.

EVOLUTION HAS BEEN OBSERVED.

In fact the record of the bible indicates fast changes occurred.

The record of the Bible is irrelevant to this discussion.

There is no evidence that the present slow changes are the way changes happened.

All the evidence gathered in the real world supports evolution.

So unless you have evidence that the state was the same, and the changes likewise, you are already out. Hows them apples?

You've already been given evidence that the state back then was the same. You are deliberately ignoring it. You are a troll.

 

[Nostromo]

Evidence that creation exists is creation exists.

Like Santa bringing presents, how else could they have got there... right?

 

[Darkeonz]

Like Santa bringing presents, how else could they have got there... right?

Dad really managed to bring fourth the worst argument I'ev ever heard or seen

 

[Split Rock]

Yeah yeah, if someone is clear what they are referring to I can bury them in data. It might not be the kind they like, but I deal with what is available.

Please stop using the word "data" when your really mean "conjecture and speculation based on my own flawed intepretation of scripture." Thanks.

 

[dad]

That is the most ridiculous circular argument I've ever heard. By that logic, i can claim anything I want simply by saying that something which exists is only able to exist provided what I want. For example, only the Flying Spaghetti Monster can create gravity, thus the existence of gravity is evidence that the noodly one is real. See the problem?

I see the problem for you, yes. Not me. You want to say gravity happened along for no reason in particular? Either you know, or do not know...them's the choices!!!

EVOLUTION HAS BEEN OBSERVED.

SO WHAT!!!!!!!??? So has reproduction, another created trait.

The record of the Bible is irrelevant to this discussion.

Only in your head. It is relevant to all things at all times. Not negotiable.

All the evidence gathered in the real world supports evolution.

So? Since that doesn't involve genesis, who cares? If you want to defend your imaginary timeframes good luck with that!

You've already been given evidence that the state back then was the same. You are deliberately ignoring it. You are a troll.

There is no evidence the state was the same, be honest.

 

[dad]

Please stop using the word "data" when your really mean "conjecture and speculation based on my own flawed intepretation of scripture." Thanks.

History and bible are data. The science that shows continents moved is data....etc. There is lots of data to interpret differently than evos want to interpret it.

 

[dad]

Like Santa bringing presents, how else could they have got there... right?

Well, unless you saw the presents being delivered, you wouldn't be the one to ask.

 

[Darkeonz]

Is it me, or is all Dad is saying

"You are right... but so? It's not in the bible"