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Through scientific analysis there is thought to be a point when physical laws did not exist, not even a where or when, an infinitely small space, nothingness... it seems to me God is shouting to you.God(s) has nothing to do with it.
Through scientific analysis there is thought to be a point when physical laws did not exist, not even a where or when, an infinitely small space, nothingness... it seems to me God is shouting to you.
Because physical laws start breaking down. You guys should think about it from that angle, instead of automatically denying that God exists.
How does it not allow it?
You want to preach there are subfora for that, this isnt one of them.Through scientific analysis there is thought to be a point when physical laws did not exist, not even a where or when, an infinitely small space, nothingness... it seems to me God is shouting to you.
So, it sounds like you're also saying that what we see is not necessarily what we measure.As I said before the universe is full of evidence for events... these events require billions of years to occur. There being different perspectives on the speed of time doesn't change those billions of years of events.
No, it's just Special Relativity, or, if you want to involve gravity, General Relativity.No, it's not understandable... your statement without understanding is meaningless.
Physical laws are descriptive not prescriptive. What 'physical laws break down' means is that our normal mathematical descriptions of what is happening no longer work. IOW, our model of how the universe works fails to describe that regime. We just need a better model.Because physical laws start breaking down. You guys should think about it from that angle, instead of automatically denying that God exists.
No. There was a time before which our familiar descriptions of how the universe works (the physical laws) didn't apply. We need a better description. Physicists know this when their calculations produce infinities like singularities; the same thing happens with the singularities in black holes - they're an indication of a regime that our current physics can't describe.Through scientific analysis there is thought to be a point when physical laws did not exist, not even a where or when, an infinitely small space, nothingness... it seems to me God is shouting to you.
You're never going to understand... I wish you would really think about what you just said.No. There was a time before which our familiar descriptions of how the universe works (the physical laws) didn't apply. We need a better description. Physicists know this when their calculations produce infinities like singularities; the same thing happens with the singularities in black holes - they're an indication of a regime that our current physics can't describe.
Until you understand what these things really mean, it's irrelevant who or what seems to you to be shouting.
I did think about it - and my explanation is what physicists and cosmologists who work in this area are saying.You're never going to understand... I wish you would really think about what you just said.
That still holds true.The "you're never going to understand" gambit is a common but lame believer's ploy.
That still holds true.
Hasn't my whole argument been that we don't understand???Why did you leave out the part we he points out, if you think you understand it, you should be able to explain it to us?
It's just another all-purpose last resort in the absence of a rational argument, like 'God works in mysterious ways'.Why did you leave out the part we he points out, if you think you understand it, you should be able to explain it to us?
Your argument was based on a misunderstanding of the science.Hasn't my whole argument been that we don't understand???
Hasn't my whole argument been that we don't understand???
Well, I don't. I'm just confused why you guys deny the possibility when none of us understand.Except that you are the only one who has been acting like they understand.
Well, I don't. I'm just confused why you guys deny the possibility when none of us understand.
No my argument is based on God being our creator.Your argument was based on a misunderstanding of the science.
Thats religion, not science.No my argument is based on God being our creator.
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