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The latter one is definitely my main issue with the idea: how would you be able to tell that time in the past was not the same as the time we experience currently? How could you measure it? What, was a minute 200,000,000 years ago not sixty seconds or something?
It's just meaningless. Time is what we measure the passage of events by, so there's no way to compare time now and time in the past. Whether one thinks it ran 'faster' or 'slower' (if it was possible to compare), the same number of events would occur in the same number of 'fast' years or 'slow' years.
 
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Yes, I will give you that, in the 'immediate' after the Big Bang, then time would have been shorter because time and space would have been more condensed then it was. But to say that that would be the same in the last few million years is... bogus, put simply. Yes, there is time dilation and time gravitational dilation, but what you suggest is something on a whole together different and also very unscientific.
It's the other way around - the stronger the gravity the slower time runs relative to less curved spacetime, so the passage of time would have been relatively longer than in flat spacetime. But the whole universe was hot and dense, so there was no 'flatter' spacetime for comparison. As previously mentioned, it's nonsensical to compare the rate of time passing in one era with another because time itself is the measure.
 
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Wait a minute now, we're talking about singularity, essentially nothingness... right? Where's the nature in that?
Cosmologists don't literally think that there was an infinitely small and dense point, but if there was it would very much not be nothing. But the singularity is simply where out physical model (General Relativity) breaks down, the equivalent of dividing by zero; it means we don't know what happens in that regime. We know that GR is incomplete and can't describe what happens there - we need a complete theory of quantum gravity.
 
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It's the other way around - the stronger the gravity the slower time runs relative to less curved spacetime, so the passage of time would have been relatively longer than in flat spacetime. But the whole universe was hot and dense, so there was no 'flatter' spacetime for comparison. As previously mentioned, it's nonsensical to compare the rate of time passing in one era with another because time itself is the measure.

You know, I felt that I was wrong on some part, but I wasn't really sure on what part I got wrong.
 
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You know, I felt that I was wrong on some part, but I wasn't really sure on what part I got wrong.
I use the Twins Paradox (accelerated twin is younger) or the clock observed falling into a black hole (appears to slow to a stop at the event horizon) to keep it the right way round ;)
 
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One thing physics has not done is "engineered us to nothingness", the big bang doesn't address time zero or where the initial substance of the universe came from, just how it developed from there.
Reverse-engineered, extrapolated backwards. Oh, so the universe in an infinitely small space is not nothingness… care to explain that according to your rules of science, you know, with evidence.
 
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It's just meaningless. Time is what we measure the passage of events by, so there's no way to compare time now and time in the past. Whether one thinks it ran 'faster' or 'slower' (if it was possible to compare), the same number of events would occur in the same number of 'fast' years or 'slow' years.
No, it's not understandable... your statement without understanding is meaningless.
 
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Not recognizing God is the autoloss.

I've said it before: if you to claim God, you need evidence of God. Faith is not evidence. The Big Bang theory and the theory of Evolution could be completely turned over and shown to be wrong, but that doesn't automatically put God into the picture.
 
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Maybe you should re-evaluate your view on the whole thing then.

Oh I'm perfectly willing to re-evaluate my view. Based on actual science and not the nonsense claims you put out.
 
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Reverse-engineered, extrapolated backwards. Oh, so the universe in an infinitely small space is not nothingness… care to explain that according to your rules of science, you know, with evidence.
The origin and initial state are not known.

The universe tends towards a denser hotter state, but we don't actually know about if and how it was actually infinite in density.

What we can actually determine is the velocity and recession of galaxies and clusters in space and compare development and behavior to models and inferences from demonstrated physical laws.

The awesome thing about the limits of the speed of light is that it allows us to see phenomena from anywhere from many billions of years ago to the comparatively recent galaxies of our own cluster.

Look up Hubble's Law to see the actual maths on how this is determined.
 
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No, it's not understandable... your statement without understanding is meaningless.
Then please explain what you mean.

Specifically how does the presence of any form of time-dilation allow the interpretation of evidence as supporting literalist or Creationist scenarios?
 
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The origin and initial state are not known.
Because physical laws start breaking down. You guys should think about it from that angle, instead of automatically denying that God exists.
 
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Then please explain what you mean.

Specifically how does the presence of any form of time-dilation allow the interpretation of evidence as supporting literalist or Creationist scenarios?
How does it not allow it?
 
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