If Evolution is true what is purpose of life?

[JohnR7]

Atheism doesn't have ranks. It is not an organization. There is no club. We pay no dues. We have no set of rules. There is no charter. Atheism is nothing more than the lack of theism.

So you do not even have a secret handshake?

 

[Ondoher]

What an oxymoron. You have a situation where science claims to have raised itself to a standard of excellance, yet they still tolerate what is far to often a defunct theory of evolution.

I understand you believe that, but the vast majority of scientists disagree with you. You have an uphill battle to make your case. Good luck with that.

 

[JohnR7]

That makes it seem that God wouldn't know the outcome, which is not necessarily true.

God can know the outcome if He wants to, but He is also able to NOT know the outcome. In our case, He often will choose NOT to know, because He wants us to have faith in Him, and to some extent, that requires Him to have faith in us. If He were to choose to know the outcome, that would be showing a lack of faith on His part. Sort of like if I were to check up on my wife to make sure she is being faithful. That would be showing a lack of faith and a lack of trust in her.

 

[napajohn]

the two are totally unrelated.

LOL..trying to correct my opinion on HOW I SEE THINGS...

 

[Randall McNally]

God can know the outcome if He wants to, but He is also able to NOT know the outcome. In our case, He often will choose NOT to know, because He wants us to have faith in Him, and to some extent, that requires Him to have faith in us. If He were to choose to know the outcome, that would be showing a lack of faith on His part.

That's quite a feat for an omniscient being - not knowing something.

Once again, omnipotence turns otherwise useful concepts into incomprehensible gobbledygook.

 

[JohnR7]

I understand you believe that, but the vast majority of scientists disagree with you. You have an uphill battle to make your case. Good luck with that.

If I proved evolutionists to be wrong once and for all, then we would all have to close up the shop and go home. What good would that accomplish? We would no longer be able to use the excuse that we are wanting to have a conversation about evolution, when what we are really wanting to do is share our theological beliefs with you.

 

[JohnR7]

That's quite a feat for an omniscient being - not knowing something.

I do not know what omniscient is, other than a man made concept that I can not seem to be able to find in my Bible.

 

[Randall McNally]

If I proved evolutionists to be wrong once and for all, then we would all have to close up the shop and go home. What good would that accomplish? We would no longer be able to use the excuse that we are wanting to have a conversation about evolution, when what we are really wanting to do is share our theological beliefs with you.

That's hilarious. So you, John - and presumably all the creation ministries - are holding back the empirical axe on evolution so you can more effectively evangelize?

No wonder the research from AiG and ICR is so pathetic... They're not even trying!

 

[Randall McNally]

I do not know what omniscient is, other than a man made concept that I can not seem to be able to find in my Bible.

All-knowing. Is there some subtle theological problem with that concept?

 

[JohnR7]

All-knowing. Is there some subtle theological problem with that concept?

For me, having the power NOT to know something is greater than having the ability to know everything. With God when we confess and repent of our sins, then we are forgiven and the sin is forgotten. In order to do that, then God must have the ability to be able to forget.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

What an oxymoron. You have a situation where science claims to have raised itself to a standard of excellance, yet they still tolerate what is far to often a defunct theory of evolution.

How did you conclude evolution is defunct? Sure, you may not agree with it, but declaring it defunct implies it is no longer of any use or interest to scientists. When I browse the life science journals, I see lots of articles on evolution-related subjects, many ongoing research projects in the lab and field which are directly related to evolution, and lots of accurate predictions coming from evolutionary theory.

How is this defunct?

 

[JohnR7]

That's hilarious. So you, John - and presumably all the creation ministries - are holding back the empirical axe on evolution so you can more effectively evangelize?

No wonder the research from AiG and ICR is so pathetic... They're not even trying!

I was talking about this forum. I do not know what AIG and ICR's objective is, I do not really pay to much attention to them.

I was not really trying to be presumptious, I was just trying to be funny.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

For me, having the power NOT to know something is greater than having the ability to know everything. With God when we confess and repent of our sins, then we are forgiven and the sin is forgotten. In order to do that, then God must have the ability to be able to forget.

Then this would put me in a position in which I would have more knowledge than God because I would still know of my past transgression. Why do I get the impression that some people make this stuff up as they go?

 

[JohnR7]

How did you conclude evolution is defunct?

Evolutionary theory becomes defunct all the time, as it becomes replaced with something else. For example, the theory that life evolved from small to big has been shown to be wrong. Even the evolutionary tree has been replaced with a bush. There are many things that evolutionists use to believe that they no longer believe. So it is just a matter of time before all of man made theorys will be proven wrong.

 

[Blackmarch]

Evolution being true or false would not change the purpose of life..
Evolution is a description/explanation of a process that is visible that makes most or all the variation found in nature and doesn't prove or disprove whether there is a God or not.

This one feels it's just another tool of God's.
And that evolution occurs does not mean you are here by chance. A programmer may make a process that is capable of running itself, but the programmer also may decide to manipulate that process while it is going on... if the programmer had all the knoweledge possible about such a process, program, and medium. How likely would the results be accident? He may also choose not to manipulate the process to see what it will do.

 

[JohnR7]

Then this would put me in a position in which I would have more knowledge than God because I would still know of my past transgression. Why do I get the impression that some people make this stuff up as they go?

Just because I am not that good at explaining things does not mean I make it up as I go along. I did study a few things in Bible collage before they threw me out.

Even if you knew something that God does not know, He still knows a lot more than you do. Esp. He knows a lot more than most people would like to admit. From what I understand when people have their whole life flashed in front of them, the experance is quite a profound one.

 

[Ondoher]

Evolutionary theory becomes defunct all the time, as it becomes replaced with something else. For example, the theory that life evolved from small to big has been shown to be wrong. Even the evolutionary tree has been replaced with a bush. There are many things that evolutionists use to believe that they no longer believe. So it is just a matter of time before all of man made theorys will be proven wrong.

Why do you keep making this bush claim? Refining phylogenies does not detract from the overall theory of evolution. Evolution has hardly changed since the formation of the modern synthesis.

Also, this small to big thing sounds like a ludicrous oversimplification. I doubt anybody ever took such a notion seriously.

 

[JohnR7]

Why do you keep making this bush claim?

I do not claim that evolution is a bush, evolutionists claim it is a bush.

Also, this small to big thing sounds like a ludicrous oversimplification. I doubt anybody ever took such a notion seriously.

Do a study on horse evolution. You will see that they use to believe it took place in a straight line and that theory has now been falsified. The interesting thing is that people come on here all the time and present the old falsified theory of horse evolution, even though that theory is no longer endorsed by evolutionits.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

Evolutionary theory becomes defunct all the time, as it becomes replaced with something else. For example, the theory that life evolved from small to big has been shown to be wrong. Even the evolutionary tree has been replaced with a bush. There are many things that evolutionists use to believe that they no longer believe. So it is just a matter of time before all of man made theorys will be proven wrong.

Sure, the details of a particular species' evolution is altered from time to time as new data is acquired. And yes, there are things that evolutionists no longer accept. So what? You make it sound as if altering a theory to be in better accord with the facts is somehow a bad thing.

What theory states or stated that life evolved "from small to big?" What exactly does that mean? If it means that microorganisms preceeded vertibrates, then that has not been abandoned because it is a fact.

The framework of evolution by natural selection through common descent remains the bedrock of all the life sciences. Scientists debate and occasionally change their mind about how a particular species evolved or how some aspect of the mechanism of evolution works, but they are in agreement that evolution happened. Evolution is anything but defunct.

 

[Randall McNally]

Do a study on horse evolution. You will see that they use to believe it took place in a straight line and that theory has now been falsified. The interesting thing is that people come on here all the time and present the old falsified theory of horse evolution, even though that theory is no longer endorsed by evolutionits.

My goodness. How many times has this been explained to you? How many links to the same talkorigins page have you ignored so that you can still make this utterly ridiculous claim?