If Evolution is true what is purpose of life?

[icebreaker]

Bingo.

Do you have any proof or evidence showing this or just a logical opinion?

 

[dudeoffaith1]

Why are you of so little faith Icebreaker? Of course god is real.

 

[The Bellman]

Why are you of so little faith Icebreaker? Of course god is real.

No doubt because he prefers evidence to 'faith'. That is, he'd rather believe something because it's evidenced than because it feels good to believe it.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your claim that god is real?

 

[icebreaker]

No doubt because he prefers evidence to 'faith'. That is, he'd rather believe something because it's evidenced than because it feels good to believe it.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your claim that god is real?

Of course I have faith I have lots of faith. I find it very difficult to understand how someone can believe in Evolution and not God so I brought up this post to understand how an evolutionists feels on life not that I doubt God but that I would like to understand what an Evolutionists feels about life and their existance.

I do not need evidence to live for God or to dedicate my entire life to God's work that is where faith comes in.

I brought up the question about religion to show that I feel that all of the religions that started a long time ago show that something Divine or supernatural must have gone on and provoked so many different beliefs wither they are right or wrong. I asked it as a question so that I could find out what Evolutionists feel about it and not that I needed or need evidence to believe in God.


I have my life as evidence for God He alone has kept me on the right path where my step brother and I were both headed the same way but God helped me and I went one way and my step brother went the other and has been in and out of rehab.

My sister is another. We were constantly told that she would die within months but she didnt die when they said she would and they also said she would never walk at all or have much use of her legs but she proved them all wrong and was able to walk. She lived on IV's for 18hours a day, was in and out of hospitals about every 3-4 months for a weeks time, could not eat food instead was feed through IV's, and went through a multiple organ transplant but through it all she was always smiling and happy and she loved God and was always thianking him for the smalliest things in life.

Do I have scientific evidence? No but I have faith.

 

[llDayo]

Hmmm, believe in God and you'll never do drugs.....um, yeah, I'm guessing you won't molest children either? Your stepbrother and you made a decision, God didn't do it for you. If you want to argue about it being what God wanted then we'll have to get into the free will debate, which never comes out purdy.

 

[icebreaker]

I never said that Christians are perfect(far from it) or belief in God will keep you from those things but that is off topic and for another forum and ya im sure it gets ugly.

 

[JohnR7]

Hmmm, believe in God and you'll never do drugs.....

If we walk with God the way we should, there will be no need for any drugs.

 

[rjw]

Hello again icebreaker,

Because you started this thread in order to get other view-points I was not going to reply to your response to my initial post. I have a bit of time now and you raised some points worthy of further comment.

icebreaker:- My question is how do you feel about life knowing you were not designed for a purpose and instead are just a branch of a tree or a part of a bush which ever it is referred to now.

I feel fine.

What really matters in all this is what we think reality is. Why worship God/god/gods if deep down for some reason, it just does not make sense? If the notion of God/god/gods does make sense then why not worship?



icebreaker:- Is the purpose of your life to worship your god for eternity?


No. I do not believe that God/god exists.

If I thought God/god did exist and that He told me I should worship Him, then I would. I would be a mug not to.

icebreaker:- In Evolutionary terms a human life is only a spec of sand in regards to time and the rest of the sand on the beach is the time it took to get here. Eternal life puts a greater value on life and not just consider it a grain of sand.

I do not see how this follows. If a grain of sand is all that you have, then that grain is extraordinarily valuable. If you have a beach of sand, then how valuable is one grain?

Icebreaker:- If the 10 years is an example to my life now and my what I do in those ten years decides wither I go to heaven or hell I would say that the ten years is the most important as far as my soul is concerned. The rest is a reward.

Again it depends. If 70 years is all I have then maybe I should make the most of it. If I have eternity then why bother? Again, your argument cuts both ways it seems to me. Your argument is not necessarily so.

IMO, be careful about the “reward” bit. Would you still worship God if there was no “reward”? What if God told you that 70 years is all you have and that you should worship him nevertheless? Would you – out of respect for the fact that He gave you 70 years at least? Do you worship him because of the reward, because he says you should, or what?


icebreaker:- After playing way to many video games my friend and I started to do an outreach ministry using video games and so far it is going great.

Good on you.


icebreaker:- I could go out and achieve and outcome if I understand what you are saying like get a college degree, achieve a sports record, or go on vacation because I would like to. If you mean like do something against God yes I could do that and there is a lot of pleasure in sin but that doesn’t make it right for me to do.

I hope you are not necessarily equating the things you would like to do as “sin”?


icebreaker:- I used this illustration to show how under the theory of Evolution human life doesnt seem much greater in regards to purpose. If the salmon was able to stop and say Hey maybe its not to smart to migrate back up stream instead I should enjoy my life and possibly reproduce in a place where it wont kill me I think it would change its habits. Yes salmon have a purpose but if that was us we would probally say what we do as salmon is a waste of life.

The salmon would have to think first of all that if it maintains course, then it will be killed. I am the salmon. I see no reason to believe that I will be killed if I maintain course.

My life would be a waste if your god existed and your understanding of him was correct. Because I have no reason to accept either of these propositions (no insult meant) then I do not feel the need to change course.

If I thought your propositions were correct then I would be a mug not to change course.



icebreaker:- No, I was trying to use examples of how I view life under the theory of Evolution. I see life as being born growing up getting old and dieing and then the show is over. Yes I understand there is a lot more in the middle but that is the basic idea. Christianity gives me hope that the show will go on. I enjoy being alive. I love the world around me. I love the ocean for surfing plus many other things. I don’t want my life or existence to end and Christianity is my answer.

Theistic evolutionists do not think life’s over.

I do not want to lose my existence either. However I will. That fact does not make me turn to Christianity in hope that there will be some reward – either eternal bliss, or the ability to continue to do that which I enjoy. What if the Moslems are correct? Then you are a heretic and I am an unbeliever. You may be in more trouble than I am.

If I were to become a Christian I would hope that it was because I thought that the Christian god really did exist.

And you appear to base your notion of a good afterlife on your idea of a good time now. Will God allow surf boards in heaven?


icebreaker:- That exact statement is why Evolution is hard for me to accept. I enjoy knowing that God created me as a unique individual with my own purpose.

Evolution should be accepted on the evidence, not weather you wish for a particular kind of life and afterlife.

icebreaker:- Becoming a christian does not make you instantly invisible to pain and sadness we still go through all the same pains. Christians are very far from perfect. We are just trying to work towards a Christ like life.

I doubt if becoming a Christian ever makes you “invisible to pain and sadness”. It may help, but that is all.


icebreaker:- I cant speak for all Christians but I would say that becoming a Christian doesnt guarantee a successful life instead guarantees a more difficult life but with a greater joy if that makes sense. When my entire life is focused on God things feel more complete and right and although obstacles still try to knock me off the road I am able to shake them off easier.

It is good that it works for you. It never really did for me and I felt happier when I lost my faith. At 54, I feel no strong yearning for the faith of my childhood and youth. I still retain an interest in theology. But I am glad that I am not a religious person – in the conventional sense of the word.


icebreaker:- I feel that God has called me into the mission field and after bible college I am going to get my pilots licenses and A & P to be a bush pilot missionary with my wife so lol ya lol things will get very interesting as far as my purpose goes.

Oh poop! You appear a nice person. I would have hoped for a degree, a masters degree then a PhD in evolutionary biology.

All the best with your future anyway.



icebreaker:- I would probally shout, scream, and sweat just as much as you if not more.

Then we should both keep away from cliffs.


icebreaker:- No I dont believe all religions are correct and I believe that Christianity is the only way.


Tch – if I may say so.


icebreaker:- I feel that atheistic evolutionists have it very easy. You just life your life the way you want with no eternal consequences. Not that life itself is easy but you just have less worries as far as religion goes.

Yes but this works two ways also.

70 years of sweat for an infinity of joy appears to me to be an extraordinarily small price.

70 years of sweat and I get no reward – by your definition.

So who really has it hard?


icebreaker:- On the other hand I believe in God and Jesus and believe in heaven and hell. Now if im right which I do believe then I go to heaven but since I am able to believe in a God then doubts arise like you said am I worshiping the wrong god? I am still human and have had these doubts but Im have remained strong in my faith and continue to grow.

Doubt is always a good thing. It keeps one sober. I still have my doubts.



All the best for your future.

Regards, Roland

 

[Novaknight1]

If Evolution's true, then there IS no purpose in life. All we would strive for eventually would come to nothing. Once our child dies, everything we lived for is gone, nothing matters. However, Evolution's NOT true. There IS purpose in life. Evolution's merely a false science. God DOES EXIST and Evolution is FALSE.

 

[:æ:]

If Evolution's true, then there IS no purpose in life.

Non-sequitur. Your statement is as nonsensical as the statement "If the germ theory of disease is true, then there is no purpose in life." Evolution is a description of the way life propogates through time. What that propogation means is not for evolution to decide.

All we would strive for eventually would come to nothing.

Where in the world did you get that ridiculous idea?

Once our child dies, everything we lived for is gone, nothing matters.

You need to realize that you're only speaking for yourself here. There are plenty of people that accept evolution and atheistic naturalism that find their lives filled with purpose and exuberance. It does not follow from any of this that things are meaningless.

However, Evolution's NOT true.

Demonstably false.

There IS purpose in life.

Yep, and there is even though allele frequencies change over time.

Evolution's merely a false science. God DOES EXIST and Evolution is FALSE.

EVOLUTION IS NOT EQUAL TO ATHEISM!!!!

 

[Event Horizon]

If Evolution's true, then there IS no purpose in life.

That's like saying if gravity is true, then there is no purpose in life. A scientific explanation of some irrelevant natural phenomenon does not dictate whether there is or is not a purpose to life.

All we would strive for eventually would come to nothing. Once our child dies, everything we lived for is gone, nothing matters. However, Evolution's NOT true.

Yet you, nor anyone else can succeed in showing why.

There IS purpose in life. Evolution's merely a false science.

Because it contradicts your pre-established religious beliefs and it is inconceivable that your beliefs might be a tad off?

God DOES EXIST and Evolution is FALSE.

You know very well that there are theistic evolutionists all around the forums who believe in god, that there is a purpose to life, and that evolution is true.

 

[Event Horizon]

EVOLUTION IS NOT EQUAL TO ATHEISM!!!!

You are going to need a considerably larger font for this job.

 

[Army of Juan]

If Evolution's true, then there IS no purpose in life. All we would strive for eventually would come to nothing. Once our child dies, everything we lived for is gone, nothing matters. However, Evolution's NOT true. There IS purpose in life. Evolution's merely a false science. God DOES EXIST and Evolution is FALSE.

Are you talking to us or are you trying to convince yourself?

If by saying evolution is false and God exist you really mean there's no God and evolution is a fact supported by schools and scientist world wide, then you are of course correct. Once you realize we are just really smart animals then you might be able to see that our purpose is the same as thiers.

I have to admit, that quote is the funniest thing I read all day, and I surf humor sites.

 

[Bargainfluger]

Why must there be some sort of intrinsic value of life? I find self-imposed purposes work fine, and why shouldn't they? It should be enough to live for the joy of living, if you see a better reason in faith of an afterlife, more power to you, but it takes all kinds, you know? Personally, I live for the acquisition of scientific knowledge via any book I can get my hands on. That's good enough for me.

 

[staugustine68]

This is my purpose in life:

Any questions?

...awwwww, I have one too.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Christian_Victor]

Hi there



Our purpose of life is the exact same as if we were created. It's just that we were created USING Evolution.


Being a Theistic Evolutionist myself, I personally believe that we can live for our child, and live for God. God does exist and He created us using Evolution, my friend!

 

[Christian_Victor]

Oh, also, like someone stated....





EVOLUTION DOES NOT EQUAL ATHIESM!!!!