If evolution is not true, what was the process of creation?

[Denadii]

It comes down to evidence. And there is abundant evidence for evolution as the way God produced the diversity of life we see.

Would you like to see how we know this?

I would like to see how you imagine this...

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

God spoke it, and it was so...

 

[Denadii]

God said it did. So there is that.

My friends I will say I believe in the big bang. My big God spoke it, and BANG there it is!

 

[The Barbarian]

My friends I will say I believe in the big bang. My big God spoke it, and BANG there it is!

Pretty much what science shows. Except that science has no way of determining whether or not God did it. But fortunately, there are other ways to know that.

 

[Denadii]

Pretty much what science shows. Except that science has no way of determining whether or not God did it. But fortunately, there are other ways to know that.

Science is still little more than supposition

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
It comes down to evidence. And there is abundant evidence for evolution as the way God produced the diversity of life we see.

Would you like to see how we know this?

I would like to see how you imagine this...

No imagination needed. Fortunately, there is a great deal of evidence.

First hint came when Linnaeus (who had no idea about evolution) showed that all living things fit into a nested hierarchy, forming a family tree.

Later, Darwin's theory presented all sorts of evidence for evolution, including:
Observation that fitness increases in a population.
Observation that species don't form nice neat categories, but have all sorts of intermediate stages.
Vestigial organs, which nevertheless sometimes show new functions different than the original

Then Mendel's discovery of genetics cleared up major problem as to how an new trait might increase in a population.

Then the discover of DNA function and analysis showed that it gave us the same family tree as Linneaus to a very high precision. And we know this works, because we can check it on populations of known descent.

Then, one after another, we began to find predicted transitional fossils. Even more convincing, we never find any transitionals where there shouldn't be any.

Then we began to document speciations to the point that many creationist organizations admit that fact of new species evolving.

Then we have seen the evolution of new sytems in organisms, including a new digestive organ in just a few decades.

There's more. Would you like to see more, or would you like me to show you the details on any of these?

 

[The Barbarian]

Science is still little more than supposition

If you think so, you know nothing at all of science. It's based on evidence and verified predictions.

Would you like to learn about some of that?

 

[Abraxos]

Try and not descend this thread into another evolutionist peeing contest please. There's plenty of that in the other threads already.

 

[The Barbarian]

Facts matter. If you don't deal in facts, then discussion is useless.

 

[Denadii]

Facts matter. If you don't deal in facts, then discussion is useless.

I agree...You can believe the scientific propaganda if you wish. I won't stop you.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Facts matter. If you don't deal in facts, then discussion is useless.

I agree...You can believe the scientific propaganda if you wish.

If you label facts "propaganda" then you're mostly fooling yourself. Engage with the facts and you'll do better. A Christian should never be afraid of the truth.

 

[Denadii]

Barbarian observes:
Facts matter. If you don't deal in facts, then discussion is useless.



If you label facts "propaganda" then you're mostly fooling yourself. Engage with the facts and you'll do better. A Christian should never be afraid of the truth.

Facts are not necessarily the truth. Much "science" is fake facts...Lies.

 

[expos4ever]

Evolution is a joke, a bad one at time, what was the process? Like you would understand God? What happened was God Spoke and bam it happened, please dude. Evolution is ridiculous.

This is a standard way to avoid the devastating evidence in favour of evolution- resort to ridicule.

These debates are not really about evolution, they are instead about the psychology of denial of manifest facts.

 

[expos4ever]

Facts are not necessarily the truth. Much "science" is fake facts...Lies.

Uh huh. Examples please.

 

[Denadii]

Uh huh. Examples please.

Like "science" hiding and covering up giants on the Earth....

 

[The Barbarian]

Like "science" hiding and covering up giants on the Earth....

Science is merely agnostic on giants. However, a man twice as tall as a normal human would be fragile and hardly able to live. Would you like to learn why?

 

[Denadii]

Science is merely agnostic on giants. However, a man twice as tall as a normal human would be fragile and hardly able to live. Would you like to learn why?

Yup....That's why the Smithsonian has millions of bones of giants in storage that nobody can study. That's why the science ministry in Sardinia hires people to dig them up so they can be destroyed. Agnostic....You keep believing that. You'll feel better...BTW....I was talking about giants, not humans with gigantism.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yup....That's why the Smithsonian has millions of bones of giants in storage that nobody can study.

Nope. There are paleontologists who specialize in combing through museum collections to find important fossils that have been missed. Smithsonian is far from the largest depository of such fossils, but they are reviewed constantly by outside scientists.

What's exciting is that the Smithsonian has started to digitially capture their collection and put it on the internet:
Human Fossils

That's why the science ministry in Sardinia hires people to dig them up so they can be destroyed.

They tell me that it happens here, too. Do a search on Onyate Man. Disgraceful.
ONYATE MAN

Agnostic....You keep believing that.

It's just a fact. When a giant primate was discovered, it was widely discussed, not hidden:
The Largest Ape That Ever Lived Was Doomed By Its Size

You'll feel better...BTW....I was talking about giants, not humans with gigantism.

I just showed you an example of a giant that was not a human with gigantism. Can you show me some cases where a giant was discovered and show us that scientists covered it up?

 

[expos4ever]

Like "science" hiding and covering up giants on the Earth....

Where is the evidence for these giants?

 

[Denadii]

Nope. There are paleontologists who specialize in combing through museum collections to find important fossils that have been missed. Smithsonian is far from the largest depository of such fossils, but they are reviewed constantly by outside scientists.

What's exciting is that the Smithsonian has started to digitially capture their collection and put it on the internet:
Human Fossils



They tell me that it happens here, too. Do a search on Onyate Man. Disgraceful.
ONYATE MAN



It's just a fact. When a giant primate was discovered, it was widely discussed, not hidden:
The Largest Ape That Ever Lived Was Doomed By Its Size



I just showed you an example of a giant that was not a human with gigantism. Can you show me some cases where a giant was discovered and show us that scientists covered it up?

Two giants were killed by marines in Afgahnistan. One stood almost seventeen feet tall and weighted 1100 pounds. The other, I do not have his stats....The first one skewered one of the marines and held him high off the ground on his spear, with one hand....That is not fragile human with gigantism.
A person with gigantism is STILL human...The giants I'm talking about are NOT human....So you go ahead and believe the lies and I'll go on with my research. Gullible man. Do you want to learn more about giants?