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Thou shalt not kill. ( Exodus 20:13)
Made that reply in Dec 2017 in a different context than you are.So you'ld follow that rule & let your child go burn in hell fires forever?
There's something wrong here with someone's theology if the most loving thing to do is kill.
So you'ld follow that rule & let your child go burn in hell fires forever?
There's something wrong here with someone's theology if the most loving thing to do is kill.
Children are welcomed by God and they welcome Him.
That's what scripture says anyway.
So you'ld follow that rule & let your child go burn in hell fires forever?
There's something wrong here with someone's theology if the most loving thing to do is kill.
If endless punishment were true & victims of infanticide all go to heaven, then infanticide saves infants from any chance of growing up & going to endless torments or annihilation.
Should a loving parent, therefore, kill their infants before they reach an age at which God would hold them accountable?
There it is above.Thou shalt not kill. ( Exodus 20:13)
Let's turn this dishonest approach of your own on its head.
You are advocating parents kill their children to ensure they don't grow up and perhaps deny Messiah Jesus.
To which I repliedIf endless punishment were true & victims of infanticide all go to heaven, then infanticide saves infants from any chance of growing up & going to endless torments or annihilation.
Should a loving parent, therefore, kill their infants before they reach an age at which God would hold them accountable?
Parents have no right to kill their children.Thou shalt not kill. ( Exodus 20:13)
So you'ld follow that rule & let your child go burn in hell fires forever?
There's something wrong here with someone's theology if the most loving thing to do is kill.
If endless punishment were true & victims of infanticide all go to heaven, then infanticide saves infants from any chance of growing up & going to endless torments or annihilation.
Should a loving parent, therefore, kill their infants before they reach an age at which God would hold them accountable?
"Evangelicals are divided in their opinion about the fate of infants who die.
"Some, who believe in God's sovereign election of the "few," also believe that non-elect babies who die will spend eternity suffering in hell. John Calvin said, "there are babies a span long in hell."
"Others consider this unfair, and assert that infants who die will spend eternity in heavenly bliss. This of course is true, but not because the child is innocent. It's true because the Scriptures teach that God intends to save everyone from everything that they need to be saved from.
"A few years ago there was a story in a Montreal paper about an Ohio lady who drowned her baby in a bathtub. Her defense was that she loved the baby so much that she wanted to make sure that her child would not have to suffer forever in hell. After serving a sentence she remarried, had another child and drowned it for the same reason. She trusted that God would forgive her because her intention, though warped by false theology, was for the good of her children.
"The jury decided that she was mentally ill, BUT WAS SHE? The simple pragmatic fact remains that if Arminianism is right, her two infants will spend eternity in heavenly bliss because she loved them so much that she insured, by killing them, that this will be so.
"Apparently, many Christians believe that there is a magical split-second in time before which a child, if they die, will go to heaven, and after which, if they die will spend eternity suffering in hell. They call this the "age of accountability."
"If I believed this nonsense I would take a gun into the largest maternity ward in Toronto and, before the police arrived, kill every infant who had just been born. This would cause an enormous amount of suffering to the parents, but this wouldn't matter much in the long run, because probably most of them (according to evangelical theology) are destined to suffer forever in hell anyway, so why not save their babies from the same fate?
"Don't try to argue that what I would be doing would be wrong ("thou shalt not kill"). The fact remains that my act would, in fact insure the eternal salvation of the babies. If Arminianism is right, then infanticide would certainly be one of the most effective ways of "saving souls." Besides, God forgives murder, especially when it is done for such a noble, though misguided cause. Sure, they would lock me away in an institution, but I would spend my life revelling in the glow of the emotional high of knowing that I had, beyond any shadow of a doubt guaranteed the salvation of the babies that I had killed.
"Folks, the actual truth about the matter is much more sane and blessed. The Scriptures teach that salvation is all of the Lord, and He will not fail to save every one of us according to His own timing. No one will be able to boast in His presence and say, "I have saved myself from eternal hell by exercising my faith in God's provision. God will get all of the glory for everyone's salvation.
"The important issue never should be "what is right or what is wrong." The only really important issue is, "What is God going to do with the person who is wrong?" The Scriptures teach that God will fit every one of us into His master plan in a positive way, and He will use our temporary involvement with sin to teach us the lessons that He wants us to learn. As my Dad often says, "That's what makes Him God!" "
Can Children Go to Hell?
What’s wrong is you advocating infanticide.
This is your quote:What's wrong is making false accusations:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-false-accusations.html
Is English not your first language or do you just not understand it very well?
So you'ld follow that rule & let your child go burn in hell fires forever?
There's something wrong here with someone's theology if the most loving thing to do is kill.
In your zeal to promote soul annihilation and universalism, you presented an absurd OP.
Sorry to say, but the above is poorly reasoned. For starters, breaking a commandment of God in an attempt to out think the Creator of hearts and minds and souls, is foolishness. I imagine the same foolishness is reasoned to be a justification for pro-choice abortion. It is like encouraging a believer to commit suicide, just take the easy way out, you're going to Heaven anyway and will feel so much better. Such nonsense can only spring from the pit of Hell.
These questions reveal the absurdity of the view that there is (1) an endless torture chamber awaiting billions of humans & (2) that babies who die as such automatically avoid such a hell & are forced (whether they want to or not) into heaven. Both (1) & (2) cannot be true. In fact both are false.
It's clear those not born again aren't getting into the kingdom of God (Jn.3:3-8). Were aborted babies born again before they died? No. So they will have to be born again postmortem before they can enter the kingdom of God. That would be postmortem salvation.
The point is there's something wrong here with someone's theology if the most loving thing to do is kill. So which is wrong (a) dead babies are forced into heaven whether they want to be there or not, with their fallen nature & even if they're full of demons or (b) billions of others who die with a sin nature are forced to burn in hell forever, whether they want to or not? Both are wrong, as my posts in this thread have proven.
It's clear those not born again aren't getting into the kingdom of God (Jn.3:3-8). Were aborted babies born again before they died? No. So they will have to be born again postmortem before they can enter the kingdom of God. That would be postmortem salvation.
Will Love Omnipotent force the aborted to be born again postmortem? Will He give them no choice in the matter? Is He a Calvinist? If dead babies get an automatic entry into heaven, should a loving parent let their child reach the age of accountability & possibly go to hell forever? Or would it be more loving to send the child to heaven?
1. Endless - becasue time does not exist in the next life.
2. Babies take very well to being loved and since they are mentally orphans, they choose God over their short painful life. Do they all? God only knows.
What's wrong is:
a.) making judgements about the judgements of God
b.) not trusting in the knowledge, goodness, and mercy of God in His judgements
c.) not considering that we are fallen creatures and the just penalty creatures deserve considering the infinite holiness of a just Creator.
Actually we do not know whether such and such baby has been born again or not. With God all things are possible, consider John the Baptist in his mother's womb. This historical narrative tells me that God can regenerate a baby in the womb. Personally, rather than thinking God regenerates all babies in the womb, I would not call this the norm, rather it applies to those infants God has chosen, and I would not call it the norm for all of God's chosen people, however I see room to believe that God can regenerate infants in the womb knowing they will die in infancy, and am inclined to think He does this in the instances of the children of believers whom suffer the loss of loosing an infant.
I do not believe God bows to the idol of free will. I do not believe choices can be separated from desires. So if God has monergistically regenerated a soul, the same would choose to live in eternity with Christ, and the same is true of the unregenerate soul, the same would choose separation from Christ for eternity.
When we put ourselves in the place of God and think we could be more loving, we could never be more wrong.
George Whitefield: "Man is nothing; he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him" and "you dishonour God by denying election. You plainly make salvation depend, not on God’s ‘free grace’ but on Man’s ‘free will.’"
Babies don't have the ability to make free choices re the gospel (which is the power of God unto salvation, Rom.1:16). So how are they going to believe it in order to be born again?
When God flooded the earth, Noah's ark was not laden with a world population of heathen babies. They felt the wrath laid upon them for the crimes of their parents. Call it just, or call it unjust, but that's the way it is.
2 Samuel 12:16-23 English Standard Version (ESV)
16 David therefore sought God on behalf of the child. And David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground. 17 And the elders of his house stood beside him, to raise him from the ground, but he would not, nor did he eat food with them. 18 On the seventh day the child died. And the servants of David were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, for they said, “Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spoke to him, and he did not listen to us. How then can we say to him the child is dead? He may do himself some harm.” 19 But when David saw that his servants were whispering together, David understood that the child was dead. And David said to his servants, “Is the child dead?” They said, “He is dead.” 20 Then David arose from the earth and washed and anointed himself and changed his clothes. And he went into the house of the Lord and worshiped. He then went to his own house. And when he asked, they set food before him, and he ate. 21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this thing that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.” 22 He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ 23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”
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