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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by friend of, Oct 24, 2017.

  1. friend of

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    Where are all the healers healing the sick and wounded in hospitals today?

    Shouldn't this be a common occurrence?

    Not talking about prophesying, but healing
     
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  2. OrthodoxyUSA

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    My son broke his arm by going over the handlebars while riding a bicycle. This was 14 years ago.

    It was the day before vacation. We were going to be gone for 8-9 days.

    This wasn't a simple break. This was a 90 degree, "I BROKE MY ARM!", break. Right in the middle of his forearm. It snapped like a twig. (He was so brave. Refusing to cry!)

    So, off to the hospital. The doctors took him to surgery and set his arm without breaking the skin. I'm glad he was 'out'... that would have hurt!

    Hours later he's out of the hospital with a cast. He says he's 'okay' and still wants to go to Florida.

    So, with a little hesitation we go ahead and load up and head down to Florida. It was a Saturday and we stopped as soon as we hit the coast for a good nights rest.

    The next morning. We get up and go looking for an Orthodox Church that my wife identified the night before.

    We found the Church within minutes, and arrived for services early.

    The Priest walked straight up to my son and asked to see his arm. My son holds up the cast and shows it to him and explains how it happened. The Priest says, we will have unction today and we will pray for your healing.

    Now by this time my oldest daughter and her husband who suffers from Leukemia, who live in Florida, join us at the Church. My son in law asks about what the Priest is talking about...

    At the end of services but before the dismissal, the Priest comes out and motions to my son and my son in law to come forward.

    He performs the right of unction for them and anoints them with Holy Oil.

    Skip forward 10 days... my son is back at the doctor for his first checkup after the break. His mother is with him. I am still at work but arrive home before they return.

    My son comes home without a cast! I'm asking my wife why that would be, it can't be healed yet.

    She turns to me and says; "They cant find the break." It's gone.

    Skip forward 14 years... my son in law has been in full remission until this very day.

    Yes, I have reasons to believe.

    Forgive me...
     
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  3. ~Anastasia~

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    Glory to God!

    Now I'm wondering if you visited my Church. :)
     
  4. GoldenKingGaze

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    Global Awakening focuses on healing, and have site testimonies fresh around monthly.
     
  5. Alicia Schout

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    This is now .....His Kingdom come.
    1 CORINTHIANS 4:20
    For the Kingdom of God is not in word, but in power
    What is the name of that priest who performed the healing?
     
  6. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Father George
    Saint John The Theologian Greek Orthodox Church
    136 W Baldwin Rd, Panama City, Florida

    Forgive me...
     
  7. ~Anastasia~

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    I'm not sure I would say it was the priest who performed the healing. But I understand you asking who did the anointing. :)
     
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  8. SPF

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    15+ years ago it was a few days before I was to leave for a mission trip to Brazil. I was barefoot, about to put on my socks and cleats to help coach my highschool soccer team. A ball came towards me, I reached out to stop it not noticing the assistant coach running full steam towards the ball. He missed the ball. He didn't miss my foot.

    Crushed. Multiple fractures.

    The right side of my foot was the beneficiary of his metal cleats. The doctor didn't want to cast it that evening due to the swelling. He told me I wouldn't be able to walk for a few weeks. I told him about my trip to Brazil. He laughed and said there's no way.

    I went home, told my team about it. We prayed.

    In the morning I was healed. I went back to the doctor, he was in disbelief. We took more x-rays. More disbelief.

    That Spring Break I went to Brazil, it was incredible.

    Summer.

    I took my graduation money and bought a plane ticket and went back to Brazil for the summer to live with the missionary and his family. We were going to go to the jungle and make contact with an unreached people group.

    We found them.

    Not 5 hours after we had been in the village there was a commotion and the village people came in carrying a young boy who had been injured and his foot had been severed. Gone.

    We felt the Holy Spirit. The missionary looked at me, and we went to the boy. The villagers consented. The village shaman, who we instantly knew to be demon possessed felt the Spirit and fled. We put our hands on his foot and prayed. It grew back. We saw it.

    The entire village confessed and converted.

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    I feel that as a white American I can say this. To be honest, the only cessasionists that I have ever met or read material from have been either white Americans or white Europeans that have not been on a mission trip to a third world country where the primary purpose was evangelism.
     
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  9. Alicia Schout

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    Thanks for your inmediate reply. Why do you quote: - Forgive me...... ?
     
  10. Alicia Schout

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    You are surely right. He priest was anointed to receive the healing power from God.
     
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  11. ~Anastasia~

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    Yes, when someone comes who is in need of healing, we follow as the Scriptures say ...

    James 5:14-16
    14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. 16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

    The priest anoints the person, and prays for them.
     
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  12. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Forgive me... is a closing in written letters used by clergy in my order. I took it up as a habit many years ago. It reminds me that I am, for the most part, a cause of trouble to the cosmos. I am always in need of it...

    Forgive me...
     
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  13. Albion

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    But this is not the issue identified in the OP at the start of the thread. Almost all of us would agree that miracles occur and that God may gift people, at his choosing, as he wills. The issue is whether or not what is called Cessationism is correct or not. The early church experienced all the gifts identified in Corinthians and in great and ongoing numbers. Then it died away EXCEPT for occasional reports. That is what cessationists, so called, point to.

    That it is no longer a standard part of Christian life. If it were, there would have been people everywhere available to fix the broken arm or cure leukemia without physicians, etc., not just one person somewhere. But the account that you gave isn't even of this sort, anyway, but instead attributes the healing to the administration of a sacrament.
     
  14. friend of

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    Right, this is what I was getting at initially. We all believe God still works miracles.

    Right, these healings are fewer and farther in between than they really should be if Cessationism isn't true...
     
  15. friend of

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    For instance, why isn't the priest who helped OrthoUSA hanging out in the Emergency Room of the local hospital?
     
  16. swordsman1

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    Cessationists believe that God can heal today in response to prayer if he so wills. But praying for healing is not the gift of healing. The gift of healing is the instantaneous and complete healing of a disability simply by the command or touch of a gifted individual, just as the disciples did in the New Testament. If you have to pray for healing it proves you do not have the gift of healing.
     
  17. Alicia Schout

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    I don't believe that only by touching and without praying means someone has the gift to heal.
     
  18. friend of

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    That is what the gift of healing, granted to the apostles by the Spirit, as spoken of in the book of Acts actually was though. They could preform such miraculous healing's spontaneously to anyone they happened upon. The real question is whether or not that has ceased today.
     
  19. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Picking at gnat hairs?

    Forgive me...
     
  20. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Baloney sandwiches.

    Forgive me...
     
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