If being homosexual is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals?

[selfinflikted]

Nice dodge, you completely failed to address my point. But since you don't deny any of it, and even claim its all gods plan, that is pretty much the same as admitting the ugly truth behind my assertion.

Oh come on, Odwin. You can't force christians into a corner with that kind of logic and expect to hear something other than "..mere humans cannot understand god's plan" (or something close to that).

Point is, either A) God is not who they think he is, or B) he doesn't exist. Personally, I'm going with "B" because I've never seen one iota of evidence in my entire life that points to the existence of biblegod. It's just a make-believe story, with tons of loopholes and errors in it.

 

[cantata]

Loving sex between a married couple maybe sealed by GOD with a baby. Sex of same sex partners will never be so sealed. BIG DIFFERENCE! One doesn't need to have sex to establish a friendship.

This is getting tedious... You didn't answer the question. What's the difference, ethically speaking, between loving sex between a committed couple, and the same couple cooking and enjoying a delicious meal together?

Try to answer the question this time, yeah? I don't like repeating myself.

 

[beechy]

Otherwise, sex is a selfish act unless done entirely for the mate's enjoyment. In such a case though, that act would likely be done to keep the mate (or win one) and then results in being done for selfish reasoning anyway.

But when two individuals want to share having a baby, they are united in family building. They are not simply addressing their own concerns/desires, but that of a third party who is yet to materialize and is sought after.

If a woman and man get married and then she has a complete hysterectomy for medical reasons a year later, does that mean sex between the two of them has now been transformed into an "act corrupted with lust" because it can't result in pregnancy? What should they do? Stop having sex? Keep having sex, but avoid "corruption" by (vainly) hoping each time that she will conceive as a result of the act even in the absence of her uterus and ovaries?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Loving sex between a married couple maybe sealed by GOD with a baby. Sex of same sex partners will never be so sealed. BIG DIFFERENCE! One doesn't need to have sex to establish a friendship.

Neither can infertile couples. So by your argument is ethical to discriminate, even hate, infertile heterosexual couples. Or do you want “fertility” to apply only to minorities?

 

[SiderealExalt]

GOD is the one with a plan----which is more than I can say for those with excuses for their failure to embrace GOD's plan...

This is Christian code for, if I say God does something, even if that something is horrific and immoral, it's good.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

GOD is the one with a plan----which is more than I can say for those with excuses for their failure to embrace GOD's plan...

This is Christian code for, if I say God does something, even if that something is horrific and immoral, it's good.

Isn't it also code for physics?

 

[GrayCat]

The double standards displayed by some in here are unbelievable.


I might even venture to call them triple or quadruple standards.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The double standards displayed by some in here are unbelievable.

I might even venture to call them triple or quadruple standards.

Freethinking or skeptic enlightenment?

"The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede on their efforts to obtain it." - John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

Also known as the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do what thou wilt."
"An" and "wilt" are Old English words for "if" and "want to."

 

[GrayCat]

Freethinking or skeptic enlightenment?

[/I]

Also known as the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do what thou wilt."
"An" and "wilt" are Old English words for "if" and "want to."

Yes, i think i know what my own religion's code of ethics means... LOL


I chose that signature because it reflects both my spiritual beliefs, as you described, and my political beliefs to do with freedom as well.

 

[SiderealExalt]

0 x 0 = 0

Actually I was referring to the fact that physics doesn't deal with ethics.

*takes Poly's foot out of his mouth* I love when you guys do the job of making you look silly by yourselves.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Oh come on, Odwin. You can't force christians into a corner with that kind of logic and expect to hear something other than "..mere humans cannot understand god's plan" (or something close to that).

Point is, either A) God is not who they think he is, or B) he doesn't exist. Personally, I'm going with "B" because I've never seen one iota of evidence in my entire life that points to the existence of biblegod. It's just a make-believe story, with tons of loopholes and errors in it.

Yes because its more logical to believe that billions and trillions of matter all acting in union within themselves by their own providence and harmony and their own coded material; all came from absolutely nothing

 

[BigBadWlf]

Freethinking or skeptic enlightenment?

[/i]

Also known as the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do what thou wilt."
"An" and "wilt" are Old English words for "if" and "want to."

Actually ‘wilt’ means “will” as in higher will

You are, for some reason, trying to change the meaning of the word to mean “whim”
You don’t get to change the definitions of words just because you 'want to '

 

[BigBadWlf]

Yes because its more logical to believe that billions and trillions of matter all acting in union within themselves by their own providence and harmony and their own coded material; all came from absolutely nothing

If I understand the latest theories regarding the big bang…the raw material for the universe doesn’t come from "nothing" at all

 

[SiderealExalt]

If I understand the latest theories regarding the big bang…the raw material for the universe doesn’t come from "nothing" at all

To chime in on that yes you're correct. big bang theory does not say it violates the law of conservation of mass/energy, nor has science posited a naturalistic "void". Science has yet to say that something(the universe) ceded from nothing and I wouldn't hold my breathe for scientists to do so.

 

[cantata]

To chime in on that yes you're correct. big bang theory does not say it violates the law of conservation of mass/energy, nor has science posited a naturalistic "void". Science has yet to say that something(the universe) ceded from nothing and I wouldn't hold my breathe for scientists to do so.

It's funny, isn't it? A favourite creationist argument is, "No one has ever seen evolution happen!" Well, no one has ever seen anything being created, either... In fact, there's actually an ancient precedent for matter not being seen to be created. Yet they don't like the notion of eternal matter at all. Weird.

 

[SiderealExalt]

I wonder at a question like that anyway. Ask someone in the pesticides for farms business and you can get an earful all about evolution at work. I think what creationist want is one of those videos of flowers opening and closing made with the super fast film but for evolution.

 

[Polycarp1]

Pardon me, Sidereal -- but I was using "Poly" as a shortening of my user name here long before "Polycarp_fan" showed up.

For the record, he ain't me. In a lot of ways.

 

[selfinflikted]

Yes because its more logical to believe that billions and trillions of matter all acting in union within themselves by their own providence and harmony and their own coded material; all came from absolutely nothing

Oh please. Ignorance and/or a lack of understanding does not necessitate inserting any "god" into the equation. I am quite content with not knowing how things came to be. But, I do not say "goddidit" simply because I don't know. If that were the case, I could come up with any number of explanations... maybe it was unicorns, or leprechauns, or faeries. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of god, so it would make no sense for me to throw that into the mix.

 

[cantata]

I don't assume anything came from nothing.

A lot of theists seem obsessed with everything having a beginning.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Pardon me, Sidereal -- but I was using "Poly" as a shortening of my user name here long before "Polycarp_fan" showed up.

For the record, he ain't me. In a lot of ways.

This is a very good thing, for one at least, Fan doesn't know what physics is apparently.