If being homosexual is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals?

[LittleNipper]

Nice dodge, you completely failed to address my point. But since you don't deny any of it, and even claim its all gods plan, that is pretty much the same as admitting the ugly truth behind my assertion.

GOD provided YOU with a SAVIOR --- HIS SON. If you fail to embrace HIM that is your UGLY PRIDE that sends you to hell and not GOD's LOVE. That is the truth. Your twist on it is what is UGLY.

 

[LittleNipper]

So according to this logic, my aunt and uncle(both Methodist) who have been married for nearly 40 years and have no children, do not have a valid marriage?

I'm very sure they tried to have children. Two homosexuals never try to have children through their sexual acts, unless they are really sick.

 

[LittleNipper]

This is possible only if the couple is of child bearing years, or are both fertile. If they are not, which is often the case, they are unable to have a child. Are you suggesting that such a couple cannot be sealed by God? Are you suggesting that a couple that is fertile that waits 5 years is not sealed by God until they have a child? Are you suggesting that having a child somehow creates the bond of the marriage, and not the love that they have prior to the child?

It's very naive thinking, insulting to people that either don't have kids, or chose not to have them, couples who don't have children yet, and simply faulty logic.

Therefore, I can only conclude that such foolishness is your standard, and not God's.

I am saying that Abraham & Sarah, Samson's parents, Samuel's parents, AND Elizabeth and Zechariah; ALL had their child in later years. They were blessed by GOD. No miracle birth of any baby to any "homosexual couple" that I have found... These are GOD's standards and not mine. I would not call them foolish. I would say that homosexual "marriage" is insulting to everything marriage stands for, with nothing of a homosexual nature that provides any redeeming quality to such a union.

 

[OdwinOddball]

I'm very sure they tried to have children. Two homosexuals never try to have children through their sexual acts, unless they are really sick.

They've had plenty of sex I am sure, but no, they have never, to my knowledge, tried to have children. They both lead very busy lives, spending the majority of their free time traveling.

In any case that still dodges the entire point. According to your post, if two people are married, yet never have children, whether by choice or by circumstances, their marriage is not valid.

 

[cantata]

I would say that homosexual "marriage" is insulting to everything marriage stands for, with nothing of a homosexual nature that provides any redeeming quality to such a union.

Hnnngh... lllll... lllooo... LOVE!

 

[OdwinOddball]

GOD provided YOU with a SAVIOR --- HIS SON. If you fail to embrace HIM that is your UGLY PRIDE that sends you to hell and not GOD's LOVE. That is the truth. Your twist on it is what is UGLY.

Pride never even enters into it. Lack of evidence that any of what you claim ever happened is what prevents me from enslaving myself to the tyrant you propose as a god.

And once again, you have continued to avoid answering my actual post.

 

[LittleNipper]

They've had plenty of sex I am sure, but no, they have never, to my knowledge, tried to have children. They both lead very busy lives, spending the majority of their free time traveling.

In any case that still dodges the entire point. According to your post, if two people are married, yet never have children, whether by choice or by circumstances, their marriage is not valid.

Until death they do part. Husband and wife they are. Mother and Father they might have been... None of this fits pal boy "marriages." That is the issue you dodge, but you do throw around the circumstantial and the unordinary to try to scrape up points...

 

[LittleNipper]

Hnnngh... lllll... lllooo... LOVE!

LOVE without sex is very possible. SEX without love happens all the time.

 

[jbm611973]

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior and God will not accept it. We cannot decide what is right and wrong simply by our feelings. Feelings change with our mood but the word of God never changes...Amen.

 

[uberd00b]

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior and God will not accept it. We cannot decide what is right and wrong simply by our feelings. Feelings change with our mood but the word of God never changes...Amen.

Sexuality is a chosen behaviour? Wonderful now perhaps you can tell us, assuming you have chosen to be straight, when exactly you decided to stop being attracted to women?

 

[Polycarp1]

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior...

The evidence seems to be against your opinion.

and God will not accept it.

God? Or your opinion of what God thinks?

We cannot decide what is right and wrong simply by our feelings. Feelings change with our mood...

Correct.

but the word of God never changes...Amen.

So why stand in opposition to it? God has not told you, "Go forth and condemn homosexuality." His Commandments to all humanity are pretty clear, and consist in brotherly love, mercy, charity, and failure to judge others except by the standard we ourselves are content to be judged by.

If you are not giving all that you have to the poor, loving your enemies, loving all others not only as yourself but as fully as Christ loved us, and being as perfect as God the Father in heaven, it is truly unwise to invoke His judgment on what you see as the sins of another. Because that's the standardby which you yourself will be judged.

(Note: the 'you' uses throughout this are generic, applying to all of us, not directed at the member quoted.)

 

[Beanieboy]

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior and God will not accept it. We cannot decide what is right and wrong simply by our feelings. Feelings change with our mood but the word of God never changes...Amen.

Homosexuality happens in the animal kingdom.
For example, there were the famous gay penguins at Central Park Zoo. Seeing that the animals exibit homosexual behavior, one must either assume that the penguins "choose" to be homosexual, or that, like most animals, they were acting on their natural instincts.

If heterosexual penguins are needed to propagate the species, why would God create homosexual penguins? Or did they "choose" to be gay, and if so, have souls?

Cantata chose her orientation.
I can't say that I choose mine. It choose me. I can certainly choose to act or not act on it, but can't change my sexual orientation.

Anyone who claims that it is merely a choice must admit that they are strongly attracted to both sexes, and just choose to live a heterosexaul life. I one isn't attracted to the same sex, then there is no choice available.

 

[selfinflikted]

Until death they do part. Husband and wife they are. Mother and Father they might have been... None of this fits pal boy "marriages."

Gays can make the same commitments, as far as the whole "'till death" thing, and some also make great parents. What exactly is your point? Answer the man's question, or admit you can't.

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior and God will not accept it.

I'd like to see what evidence you can offer to back up this statement.

We cannot decide what is right and wrong simply by our feelings.

Yes, we can, and we've done so for thousands of years.

Feelings change with our mood but the word of God never changes...Amen.

You've heard the word of god? Or are you referring to the bible (which never claims to be the word of god, btw)... you got some inside information you need to share?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Homosexuals originated from heterosexual sex, ONLY.

I've never argued differently.

Homosexuals cannot procreate using homosexual behavior patterns.

Newsflash. Heterosexuals cannot procreate using heterosexual behavior patters, either.

Homosexual behavior patterns are not appropiate to teach impressionable children.

Au contraire. I am a good example to children, and I know many other people, both gay and straight, who are good examples to children.
FAIL.

LOVE has nothing to do with sex;

Your poor wife!

however, the origin of the children and the propagation of the species does.

You appear to be very afraid of sex. I know it's potent, but there's no reason to ry and pigeon-hole it to fit your fears.

On the other hand, values (family or otherwise) are the responsibility of the parents.

I agree. And i know plenty of Gay dads and Lesbian moms who would totally agree with you as well.

And, values are best taught by EXAMPLE.

I'm not dissing straight people. Heck, you all are able, when you put your hearts and minds to it, to set just as good an example as gay people.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

dp

 

[LittleNipper]

Homosexuality happens in the animal kingdom.
For example, there were the famous gay penguins at Central Park Zoo. Seeing that the animals exibit homosexual behavior, one must either assume that the penguins "choose" to be homosexual, or that, like most animals, they were acting on their natural instincts.

If heterosexual penguins are needed to propagate the species, why would God create homosexual penguins? Or did they "choose" to be gay, and if so, have souls?

Cantata chose her orientation.
I can't say that I choose mine. It choose me. I can certainly choose to act or not act on it, but can't change my sexual orientation.

Anyone who claims that it is merely a choice must admit that they are strongly attracted to both sexes, and just choose to live a heterosexaul life. I one isn't attracted to the same sex, then there is no choice available.

Since when is man an animal that he should compare his actions to one. Show me the 8 year old boy who didn't think girls were yucky or the little girl who didn't think boys had cuties and I'd show you an exceptional child. Yes, it is a choice and that choice can be influenced by one's preoccupation with sex in one's formative years. I also believe that once one does something he/she has been warned not to do, it becomes even more difficult for that one to make correct choices.

 

[Beanieboy]

Since when is man an animal that he should compare his actions to one. Show me the 8 year old boy who didn't think girls were yucky or the little girl who didn't think boys had cuties and I'd show you an exceptional child. Yes, it is a choice and that choice can be influenced by one's preoccupation with sex in one's formative years. I also believe that once one does something he/she has been warned not to do, it becomes even more difficult for that one to make correct choices.

I'm not comparing a man to an animal.
I'm saying, why would God create gay penguins?
Can animals "choose a gay lifestyle", or is this an indication of sexual orientation?

If God creates gay animals, then one can fathom that maybe humans are simply gay as well, and born that way. Evidence shows that there is some genetic elements in the equation. To say, "It's just a choice", as if one were picking out chicken or meatloaf for dinner, is simply ignorant of research, and the dialogue any gay person will have with you that the research consistently supports.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I'm very sure they tried to have children. Two homosexuals never try to have children through their sexual acts, unless they are really sick.

Again you make it clear that you only wish to apply your notion of “fertility" to minorities

 

[BigBadWlf]

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior and God will not accept it.

The only ‘choice’ our gay and lesbian have is the choice to live their lives with honesty and integrity or to choose to live a life of lies, deceit and self-hatred all because others choose to hate them for being honest.

We cannot decide what is right and wrong simply by our feelings.

Prejudice feels wrong
Discrimination against a minority feels wrong
Hate feels wrong

Feelings change with our mood but the word of God never changes...Amen.

And that is why eating lobster is a sin….because the word of God never changes And that is why wearing clothing made of two different fabrics is a sin….because the word of God never changes

And that is why wearing wedding rings is a sin….because the word of God never changes

And that is why allowing people who need to wear glasses into church is a sin….because the word of God never changes

And that is why allowing the handicapped into church is a sin….because the word of God never changes

And that is why cutting one’s hair is a sin….because the word of God never changes

And that is why there is nothing wrong with owning slaves….because the word of God never changes

And that is why it is good to kill rape victims….because the word of God never changes

And that is why it is morally acceptable to sell your child into slavery….because the word of God never changes

And that is why it is morally good to beat and cripple slaves….because the word of God never changes

And that is why God approves of the murdering of disobedient children….because the word of God never changes

And that is why good Christians make blood sacrifices….because the word of God never changes

And that is why murdering non-Christians is a good thing….because the word of God never changes

 

[beechy]

I am saying that Abraham & Sarah, Samson's parents, Samuel's parents, AND Elizabeth and Zechariah; ALL had their child in later years. They were blessed by GOD. No miracle birth of any baby to any "homosexual couple" that I have found... These are GOD's standards and not mine. I would not call them foolish. I would say that homosexual "marriage" is insulting to everything marriage stands for, with nothing of a homosexual nature that provides any redeeming quality to such a union.

What about a woman who knows that she will never conceive because she had her uterus and ovaries removed for medical reasons (i.e., a complete hysterectomy)? No miracle births have ever been documented for a woman without a uterus and ovaries. If the only reason a couple should have sex is if they're hoping that by doing so they'll conceive a child, does that mean that woman should never have sex? (Or are you claiming that a woman without eggs and a womb might bear a miracle child? I think that's just as likely as a miracle child through homosexual sex, eh?)