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If being homosexual is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals?

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I suppose that it should come as no surprise by now, but many take hypocracy literally. They suggest that they are free to condemn you if they do not do the exact same action themselves.

Someone will say, "Homosexuality is wrong. You should live a sexless life alone, free of romance, to please God. That is the only way that you will be acceptable in his eyes." They will say that their own sexual propriety isn't under question, because while they may or may not be having premarital sex themselves, it is heterosexual sex, and therefore, not as bad as gay sex.

In other words, they forgive their sin (sorry, fornication is listed in the bible far more times), while condemning that of another.

They will acknowledge the value of having a companion, that marriage is far more about love and devotion and companionship than sex, and then tell the other to live a solitary life, and that all gay coupling is is sex and lust (even if it is a committed 20 years long. That must be some gooooood sex.)

They will claim that one cannot cleanse or forgive their own sin, and yet, only repenting of homosexuality (doing the action yourself) will cleanse and forgive you. They will claim that one must repent of all sin first, but sing for themselves, "Just as I am, without one plea...oh, lamb of God, I come.." but you can't come as you are. You have to change.

"Jesus isn't through with me yet...", but you are expected to change yourself (and if that were true, why do you need Jesus at all?)

They will condemn gay men for promiscuity, but be hypocritical by the labeling of "gay" before "men", since men in general are promiscuous. By attaching the label, they are saying, "Gay men", but not straight men, which is just plain laughable.

They will claim that they love their neighbor, and yet, fight against gay rights that protect them from unlawful termination of employment, access to housing and health care.

They will say that marriage is a Religious institution, so it can't be extended to gay people, and then extend it to other religions, and even atheists.

Is one not being hypocritical not acknowledge that understanding has changed, and our understanding of homosexuality has radically changed just in the past 50 years, but then claim that it is understand and spoken of in the bible? Is one not a hypocrite to gleefully quote Leviticus, and ignore everything else that they themselves don't follow? Can one claim to follow the bible to the letter, except ignore verses condoning slavery, or women forbidden to speak in church, then point to arbitrary verses of idol worship, and expect them to be followed?

Someone argued this with me, taking it much more literal.
Does it make sense for a guy who smokes pot to condemn a guy who gets drunk?
Does it make sense to condemn for wearing a hijab and worshipping a false god, when you can't love that person as yourself, and follow your own religion?

It seems ridiculous to believe that one has the right to condemn others at all, let alone, earned the right if they don't do the same transgression. Following that logic, in regards to the woman about to be stoned to death, all of the men would have to have been adulterers. I just don't buy it.
Even the Pharisee, who condemned the theives and taxcollectors, who did not cheat people collecting taxes himself, nor steal, was not exhalted in God's eyes, but disgusted, and humbled.
 
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I'm a one woman man. I got married to start a family (something "gay" sex will never accomplish). I don't know what others are trying to start.:D Heaven help me if I try to give you enough rope to justify your prejudice and discrimination towards any righteous definition of marriage... PS> are ONLY "gays" -------- gay? Think about that one.

Your minute and a half of coitus resulting in the birth of a child fails to impress; and it does NOT a family make.

Love makes a family - and those families can be straight or gay.
 
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Your minute and a half of coitus resulting in the birth of a child fails to impress; and it does NOT a family make.

Love makes a family - and those families can be straight or gay.
A minute and a half??

Wow! My wife will be jealous when she reads that...
 
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The claim that heterosexual sex is for procreation is hysterical. I'm reminded of when I was about 7, and found out where babies come from, and we said, "woah! There is five of us! They have done it at least five times!!!! eeeeeewwwww!"

I'm going to wager that I wasn't even close. Not even in the parking lot of close, and that they didn't stop after I was born, because they didn't want any more kids.
 
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I suppose that it should come as no surprise by now, but many take hypocracy literally. They suggest that they are free to condemn you if they do not do the exact same action themselves.

We all follow laws regardless of whether or not a policeman, a lawyer, a judge or the author of the laws violate them. There is no such thing as a "complete stop" as "s t o p" is not alterable or redefinable. It is what it is.

Someone will say, "Homosexuality is wrong.

As in the physical makeup of the body perhaps? Just like the word stop, genitalia points to absolute definition.

You should live a sexless life alone, free of romance, to please God. That is the only way that you will be acceptable in his eyes." They will say that their own sexual propriety isn't under question, because while they may or may not be having premarital sex themselves, it is heterosexual sex, and therefore, not as bad as gay sex.

Judging someones words is just as appropriate as judging their actions and behaviors. Even their thoughts if you're Jesus.

In other words, they forgive their sin (sorry, fornication is listed in the bible far more times), while condemning that of another.

No human being forgives sins. That is exclusively the realm of God. Al you can do is assume they are telling the tuth about repenting and being given forgiveness. Only God knows the heart and mind of humans.

They will acknowledge the value of having a companion, that marriage is far more about love and devotion and companionship than sex, and then tell the other to live a solitary life, and that all gay coupling is is sex and lust (even if it is a committed 20 years long. That must be some gooooood sex.)

Whi is "they?" And marriage in the Biblical witness, is exclusively a man and a woman. What two frieds desire to do within a commited friendship is their own business.

They will claim that one cannot cleanse or forgive their own sin, and yet, only repenting of homosexuality (doing the action yourself) will cleanse and forgive you.

Only God can forgive sins. All humans can do is go by statements, behaviors and actions and activities of a person claiming to have repented and been forgiven. Forgiving your brother is about them sinning against you and asking you to forgive them for that.

Who is the THEY of which you keep referencing??????

They will claim that one must repent of all sin first, but sing for themselves, "Just as I am, without one plea...oh, lamb of God, I come.." but you can't come as you are. You have to change.

Where does this kind of person dwell?

"Jesus isn't through with me yet...", but you are expected to change yourself (and if that were true, why do you need Jesus at all?)

We are expected not to lead others into sin and sinning. Jesus made that extremely clear.

They will condemn gay men for promiscuity, but be hypocritical by the labeling of "gay" before "men", since men in general are promiscuous. By attaching the label, they are saying, "Gay men", but not straight men, which is just plain laughable.

Oh OK. The THEY of which you speak then are certainly not Christians. Then, who are "THEY?" Christians seek their own sin life be examined and dealt with on a moment by moment basis.

"Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me."

And Christian song after Christians song, and Christian sermon after Christian sermon are all pointed at the individual to deal with themself. The prime example being that of Pslam 51.

They will claim that they love their neighbor, and yet, fight against gay rights that protect them from unlawful termination of employment, access to housing and health care.

Not supporting gay culture and gay activism is a sensible Christian position. And onen backed up by hundreds and hundreds of years of consistent reasoning for doing so.

They will say that marriage is a Religious institution, so it can't be extended to gay people, and then extend it to other religions, and even atheists.

People are people, of every race color and creed. Homosexuality is a sex act, not a minority group classifier except for sexual tastes, practices and proclivities. It appears, that Marriage is a man and a woman EVEN to other religions, and even atheists.

Is one not being hypocritical not acknowledge that understanding has changed, and our understanding of homosexuality has radically changed just in the past 50 years, but then claim that it is understand and spoken of in the bible?

Neologism is not going to alter or change Apostolic truth.

That pop culture has "changed" its way of thinking has happened many, many, many, times throughout time. Sexual activities that are appropriate for believers has not.

Again: Neologism is not going atler or change Apostolic truth.

What humanists and secularists believe has no bearing whatsoever on The Church. Refer to the framers of the United States Constitution. And of course the New Testament witness as well.

Is one not a hypocrite to gleefully quote Leviticus, and ignore everything else that they themselves don't follow?

Is a man who is a burglar, a hypocrite for testifying about bank robbers he saw rob a bank?

Can one claim to follow the bible to the letter, except ignore verses condoning slavery, or women forbidden to speak in church, then point to arbitrary verses of idol worship, and expect them to be followed?

How is "progressive" to seriously use two wrongs making anything right?

Someone argued this with me, taking it much more literal.
Does it make sense for a guy who smokes pot to condemn a guy who gets drunk?

If the drunk tries to drive a car the marijuana user is obligated to report the wrongdoing of the drunk.

Does it make sense to condemn for wearing a hijab and worshipping a false god, when you can't love that person as yourself, and follow your own religion?

Who is doing that? It seems to me (in my opinion), the person that is quiet about wrongdoing, is condoning and supporting wrongdoing.

It seems ridiculous to believe that one has the right to condemn others at all, let alone, earned the right if they don't do the same transgression.

Cause and effect. It is sceintific and Biblical reasoning.

Following that logic, in regards to the woman about to be stoned to death, all of the men would have to have been adulterers. I just don't buy it.

Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more. Jesus did the right thing did he not? That means Jesus judged the woman as doing wrong and telling her to change her ways.

Even the Pharisee, who condemned the theives and taxcollectors, who did not cheat people collecting taxes himself, nor steal, was not exhalted in God's eyes, but disgusted, and humbled.

Isn't it interesting that Jesus is teaching this as if He heard the prayers?

He also condemned the Pharisee for doing something "wrong."
 
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Your minute and a half of coitus resulting in the birth of a child fails to impress; and it does NOT a family make.

Love makes a family - and those families can be straight or gay.

Homosexuals originated from heterosexual sex, ONLY. Homosexuals cannot procreate using homosexual behavior patterns. Homosexual behavior patterns are not appropiate to teach impressionable children. LOVE has nothing to do with sex; however, the origin of the children and the propagation of the species does. On the other hand, values (family or otherwise) are the responsibility of the parents. And, values are best taught by EXAMPLE.
 
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The claim that heterosexual sex is for procreation is hysterical. I'm reminded of when I was about 7, and found out where babies come from, and we said, "woah! There is five of us! They have done it at least five times!!!! eeeeeewwwww!"

I'm going to wager that I wasn't even close. Not even in the parking lot of close, and that they didn't stop after I was born, because they didn't want any more kids.

Yeah, well blue in the face is how many times a homosexual "couple" can perform sexual acts on each other and NEVER procreate even one.
 
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Homosexuals originated from heterosexual sex, ONLY. Homosexuals cannot procreate using homosexual behavior patterns. Homosexual behavior patterns are not appropiate to teach impressionable children. LOVE has nothing to do with sex; however, the origin of the children and the propagation of the species does. On the other hand, values (family or otherwise) are the responsibility of the parents. And, values are best taught by EXAMPLE.

Well said L-N.

But how far will truth take you?
 
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What about "perversion" and corruption?

They're not terms I find very helpful, especially "corruption".

I simply don't understand why sincere, deeply-felt romantic love of exactly the kind that same-sex couples experience can't be expressed sexually by a same-sex couple. I don't consider it perverse to want to do so, much less a case of any sort of corruption.
 
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Do you not regard sex as a loving act?
Sex, in and of itself, is not a loving act. It can certainly be a physical expression of love - but, from personal experience, many times love is not a part of it. I don't see bar pick-ups as loving acts. :D

Also many perversions (rape, bestiality, child molestation) ARE sex, but are not loving acts.

DISCLAIMER: I am not attempting to classify homosexuality along with the above-noted perversions. Put down the flame-thrower.
 
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LOVE has nothing to do with sex

That's rather a depressing point of view. I mean, sex is at best an expression of love, one person for another. And whilst love can certainly exist happily between two people without the act of sex taking place, I think that sex without love would be unbearable.

Just MO.

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That's rather a depressing point of view. I mean, sex is at best an expression of love, one person for another. And whilst love can certainly exist happily between two people without the act of sex taking place, I think that sex without love would be unbearable.

Just MO.

David, have you ever watched TV, read a popular magazine (Vanity Fair, Cosmopolitian, etc., etc., or any men's mag etc., etc.,) or been outside in the real world? Sex based on "love" is almost a thing of the ancient 1950's.

Just trying to teach it in a public school could almost get you charged with a hate crime.

Now, the word "love" is used to procure sex, but the real meaning of the word seems to have disappeard from popular culture. IMO.
 
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Sex, in and of itself, is not a loving act.

No, of course, and in context I think it's clear that I wasn't implying that.

My point was merely that sex can be and is frequently an expression of love.
 
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David, have you ever watched TV, read a popular magazine (Vanity Fair, Cosmopolitian, etc., etc., or any men's mag etc., etc.,) or been outside in the real world? Sex based on "love" is almost a thing of the ancient 1950's.

You mean except when it isn't?

I love my boyfriend. Sex between us is an expression of love. I'm sure I'm not that much of a rare breed, if you'll pardon the expression.
 
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In John 3, Jesus told the High Priest Nicodemus that in order to see the Kingdom of God, he must be born again (spiritually).

Many people that go to church, read the Bible and do good works delude themselves. Homosexuals who read the Bible and believe it have no such delusions.

Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. Romans 8:5-8


If you haven't been spiritually reborn and do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling within you, you're just "playing church." You might as well get ready for the lake of fire, because Jesus doesn't know you and you don't know Him.
 
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