If being homosexual is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals?

[David Brider]

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior...

Actually, homosexuality isn't a behaviour at all - it's just a tendency to be romantically and physically attracted to people of the same gender as oneself. And it doesn't seem to be chosen, any more than heterosexuality (a tendency to be attracted to people of the opposite gender to oneself) or bisexuality (a tendency to be attracted to people of either gender) or asexuality (a tendency to not experience romantic/physical attraction).

David.

 

[David Brider]

LOVE without sex is very possible. SEX without love happens all the time.

No, sex without love happens some of the time. Not all of the time.

I would hope that if my fiancée and I choose to have sex, it would be primarily as an expression of our love for each other, nothing more and nothing less.

David.

 

[David Brider]

None of this fits pal boy "marriages."

Are you saying that gay marriages lack lifelong commitment?

I suspect the reality is that that's no more the case than with heterosexual marriages. I'd be fascinated to know if you've any data to support any idea to the contrary.

 

[cantata]

LN still hasn't explained to me what the difference is, ethically speaking, between a couple cooking and eating a delicious meal together, and the same couple making love together.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

LN still hasn't explained to me what the difference is, ethically speaking, between a couple cooking and eating a delicious meal together, and the same couple making love together.

Let me try. LN, is a Christian, so let's think from his perspective.

Though the following is in my opinion of course:

A couple eating together are two people eating together. Unless of course they are eating food that they know was sacrificed to an idol. Then, they would be sinning mightlily. Two people "making love" as you call it, could be a doing something beautiful as a married couple, and in the New Testament, a married couple is a man and a woman, or, as two people just doing the wild thing and commiting an act of immorality. Also known as a sin.

You can tell me to but(t) out if you wish. I just thought I'd put my two Euro's worth in.

 

[allhart]

Let me ask a Question. If you all that states that there shouldn't be any role in marriage.Then in the gay marriage who decides that male role? In a no role marriage. Sounds like liberalism at its best ,but in reality they shoot them selves in the foot again. In a no holds bar in any thing goes. In a world that is determined to make tolerance of error a common practice in a way of life.

 

[quatona]

Let me ask a Question. If you all that states that there shouldn't be any role in marriage.Then in the gay marriage who decides that male role? In a no role marriage.

Huh?

 

[allhart]

Huh?

Well God established the roles of man and woman in marriage. Who decides the role in homosexuality or there just isn't anything called marriage or role in sex. Just procreation of the species. Course species might be to infinitive explanation as we leave to much room for a absolutes of an equation. To rationalize the feelings of this behavior is dauting.The reality of it all its still wrong.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Well God established the roles of man and woman in marriage.

Actually various world cultures established marraige and family unit dynamics. They vary from culture to culture.

 

[JediMobius]

People can't choose their sexuality, it's just the way they are.
Why did God create people like that and then not allow them to express their feelings?
What's wrong with being homosexual anyway?
If two people find true love does it really matter that they're of the same gender?
Isn't discriminating homosexual couples like discrimination couples with a large age gap or of different nationalities?
Just like your sexuality, you can't decide when you were born or where you were born, yet different ages and nationalities are acceptable.
Myself, I am not homosexual, but I just don't understand why homosexuality is not acceptable.

Thanks for answers

God has also created people who have an uncontrollable, seemingly unchangeable nature to kill other people, would you say murder is ok? God created each person with different desires, different impulses which are not good or bad in themselves. I have a desire to be loved, and that's not wrong, nor necessarily right. It's how I go about being loved that is right or wrong. If I extend my love to others, that's more right than trying to violently force people to love me. For some people it feels natural to steal, some to lie, some to have sex with partners who aren't their husband or wife, some to murder, and so on. Right and wrong aren't based on what's natural to do. If it were, the natural behavior would be to do what is right in the first place.

God creates the homosexual, but the homosexual decides to sin against God. It's the same with the rest of us, there are certain sins that tempt each of us more than others. Acting on that temptation is wrong no matter how ingrained in us or addictive it is.

Homosexuality is different from location/nationality and age difference. There is no moral basis for discriminating against couples from 2 different countries, nor for a couple with an age gap (assuming both are of accountable legal age). Homosexuality is strictly warned against in the bible, I think the word God used is detestable, and is not discrimination, but moral standard.

 

[allhart]

God has also created people who have an uncontrollable, seemingly unchangeable nature to kill other people, would you say murder is ok? God created each person with different desires, different impulses which are not good or bad in themselves. I have a desire to be loved, and that's not wrong, nor necessarily right. It's how I go about being loved that is right or wrong. If I extend my love to others, that's more right than trying to violently force people to love me. For some people it feels natural to steal, some to lie, some to have sex with partners who aren't their husband or wife, some to murder, and so on. Right and wrong aren't based on what's natural to do. If it were, the natural behavior would be to do what is right in the first place.

God creates the homosexual, but the homosexual decides to sin against God. It's the same with the rest of us, there are certain sins that tempt each of us more than others. Acting on that temptation is wrong no matter how ingrained in us or addictive it is.

Homosexuality is different from location/nationality and age difference. There is no moral basis for discriminating against couples from 2 different countries, nor for a couple with an age gap (assuming both are of accountable legal age). Homosexuality is strictly warned against in the bible, I think the word God used is detestable, and is not discrimination, but moral standard.

To rationalize chaos in the reality that its wrong.Just as an addict loves the high ,but rationalize to everyone. Trying to convince them of his lie. That everything is O.K. Knowing in reality he is sick and he still chooses to indulge him self in the sin. Living a lie.

 

[JediMobius]

To rationalize chaos in the reality that its wrong.Just as an addict loves the high ,but rationalize to everyone. Trying to convince them of his lie. That everything is O.K. Knowing in reality he is sick and he still chooses to indulge him self in the sin. Living a lie.

Thank you for simplifying, that's not one of my strengths.

 

[JediMobius]

Actually various world cultures established marraige and family unit dynamics. They vary from culture to culture.

God's guidelines of marriage came first, the rest is a facsimile which falls short. God created guidelines and roles for each partner in the marriage that when practiced cause a marriage to flourish and last. As an example, the liberal guidelines of marriage, as evident in the divorce rate in this country, fails.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Are you saying that gay marriages lack lifelong commitment?

I suspect the reality is that that's no more the case than with heterosexual marriages. I'd be fascinated to know if you've any data to support any idea to the contrary.

One need only look at Del Martin Phyllis Lyon. The first same gendered couple to be legally married in California. They were together 55 years. Considering the average heterosexual marriage last 7 years that is pretty incredible.

 

[BigBadWlf]

God has also created people who have an uncontrollable, seemingly unchangeable nature to kill other people, would you say murder is ok? God created each person with different desires, different impulses which are not good or bad in themselves. I have a desire to be loved, and that's not wrong, nor necessarily right. It's how I go about being loved that is right or wrong. If I extend my love to others, that's more right than trying to violently force people to love me. For some people it feels natural to steal, some to lie, some to have sex with partners who aren't their husband or wife, some to murder, and so on. Right and wrong aren't based on what's natural to do. If it were, the natural behavior would be to do what is right in the first place.

God creates the homosexual, but the homosexual decides to sin against God. It's the same with the rest of us, there are certain sins that tempt each of us more than others. Acting on that temptation is wrong no matter how ingrained in us or addictive it is.

Racists have used this same tactic for generations. To help justify hatred and discrimination racists will try to associate blacks with criminals just as you are trying to associate gays and lesbians with murders thieves and lairs. It is a sad and hateful thing when racists do this and it is no different when you make use of the same tactic

Homosexuality is different from location/nationality and age difference. There is no moral basis for discriminating against couples from 2 different countries, nor for a couple with an age gap (assuming both are of accountable legal age). Homosexuality is strictly warned against in the bible, I think the word God used is detestable, and is not discrimination, but moral standard.

Racists happily quote the bible as well….particularly when denouncing interracial marriage

 

[BigBadWlf]

God's guidelines of marriage came first, the rest is a facsimile which falls short. God created guidelines and roles for each partner in the marriage that when practiced cause a marriage to flourish and last.

That would be polygamy and the use of rape to force girls into marriage

As an example, the liberal guidelines of marriage, as evident in the divorce rate in this country, fails.

Which doesn’t explain why conservative Christians have the highest divorce rates

 

[JediMobius]

Racists have used this same tactic for generations. To help justify hatred and discrimination racists will try to associate blacks with criminals just as you are trying to associate gays and lesbians with murders thieves and lairs. It is a sad and hateful thing when racists do this and it is no different when you make use of the same tactic

Wow. It's not even the same tactic, I neither want to see homosexuals lynched, nor persecuted in any way. In effect, I associated homosexuals with everyone else who has ever lived. No one's perfect, we're all liars, or lusters, or something imperfect. All Christians were trapped in some kind of sin before freed from it by Christ. I have no delusions of superiority.

Racists happily quote the bible as well….particularly when denouncing interracial marriage

Satan quoted scripture too. That's why it is the responsibility of every Christian to read the bible themselves. What satan and racists have in common when they quote the bible is that they are motivated by hate. Their motivation causes them to interpret scripture in a hateful context. Just as your motivation has caused you to interpret my post out of context. My motivation in pointing out the sin of homosexuality is faith in God to defend his teachings, and love to show the faults in those who need healing. If you don't know that you're sick, you won't go to the doctor, likewise if you don't know you're in sin, you won't turn to God.

I would appreciate that you not jump to conclusions. To be so quick to compare me and my faith to racism is almost as blind as the racists themselves.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Wow. It's not even the same tactic,

No the same tactic.
You attempted to associate gays and lesbians with murderers

I neither want to see homosexuals lynched,

Do you think the people doing the lynching weren’t Christians?

nor persecuted in any way.

Are you saying you support marriage equality for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters?
Do you support removal of the over 1,500 federal laws that discriminate against gays and lesbians in protection from discrimination in housing, employment, insurance, adoption, inheritance?

In effect, I associated homosexuals with everyone else who has ever lived. No one's perfect, we're all liars, or lusters, or something imperfect. All Christians were trapped in some kind of sin before freed from it by Christ. I have no delusions of superiority.

Again you specifically attempted to associate gays and lesbians with murderers

Satan quoted scripture too. That's why it is the responsibility of every Christian to read the bible themselves. What satan and racists have in common when they quote the bible is that they are motivated by hate. Their motivation causes them to interpret scripture in a hateful context.

And the people who use the bible to condemn gays and lesbians are motivated by what exactly?
Why should we assume that the motivation in using the bible to justify prejudice against one minority is somehow different from the motivation in using the bible to justify prejudice against a different minority?
Can you explain why one group is morally superior to the other?

Just as your motivation has caused you to interpret my post out of context.

Again you specifically attempted to associate gays and lesbians with murderers. so what exactly was out of context?

My motivation in pointing out the sin of homosexuality is faith in God to defend his teachings, and love to show the faults in those who need healing. If you don't know that you're sick, you won't go to the doctor, likewise if you don't know you're in sin, you won't turn to God.

Sounds like you are referring to the bible. Remember Satan quotes scripture too.

I would appreciate that you not jump to conclusions. To be so quick to compare me and my faith to racism is almost as blind as the racists themselves.

I made no mention of your faith. Just the fact that the tactics you are employing to justify your personal prejudice are the same as tactics used by racists to justify their personal prejudices.
If you don’t’ like the comparison try posting justifications that were/are not also employed by racists.

 

[SiderealExalt]

God's guidelines of marriage came first, the rest is a facsimile which falls short.

Early man's slow development of social units came first, the rest(the creation of religions,gods,etc) is a facsimile that falls short.

God created guidelines and roles for each partner in the marriage that when practiced cause a marriage to flourish and last. As an example, the liberal guidelines of marriage, as evident in the divorce rate in this country, fails.

So that's why say, Southern Baptist divorce rates are higher than average for the country a few years ago?

I know, Christians have this bad habit of taking large sociological issues and trying to answer them with "Goddidit." Why don't you try doing actual objective research.

 

[JediMobius]

That would be polygamy and the use of rape to force girls into marriage

Wrong. God's initial example of marriage was between Adam and Eve. God gave him one wife, no more. The examples of polygamy I can recall were of David, and Solomon. Both of these men had specific problems which led them away from God largely because of their many wives. God allowed it, but it wasn't his intention. Later, Jesus says that a man leaves his parents to join his wife and the two become one. He didn't mention any more than one man and one wife.

Upon research, the first man in the bible to have 2 wives has very little written about him. Pretty much just that he had two wives and he pretty much said "I killed a young man for hurting me. If Cain (his ancestor) got his vengence, I'll get mine 11 times more" Sounds like a threat to keep his wives in line. Nowhere in that passage did it say anything about this man Lamech following God's commands. Usually, when anyone in the bible is a servant of God, or follows God's commands, it's quick to be said about them.

From God himself, we are given a model for marriage of one man and one woman. You speak of the bible as if everything in it is what we're supposed to do, but there are plenty of examples of what not to do. It was man's idea to have multiple wives. Society has simply changed its stance on the matter.

As for that second assertion, please be more specific.

Which doesn’t explain why conservative Christians have the highest divorce rates

Sure it does, they didn't follow God's guidelines. They didn't obey God's commandments, and so they gave up on their marriage, or started their relationship wrongly. I never inferred that all or even most Christians follow God's guidelines for marriage. For one, not every Christian is truly a follower of Christ. Second, I never suggested in any way that Christians are free from mistakes. My point was that God's way is the right way, and following his commands in marriage will yield a healthy, lasting marriage.

By the way, do you have figures/evidence, or is this baseless assertion?