IDF vs Nezbollah: An objective analysis

[Treppers]

Lebanese civilian deaths: 1,005
Hizbullah deaths: 98 killed (IDF claim 400)


Israeli military deaths: 63
Israeli civilian deaths: 35



Some trivial maths reaveals the following:

Hezbollah have achieved a military 'hit' 62% of the time

Israeli has achieved a military 'hit' 9% of the time (or 28% of the time if you believe the IDF)

The ratio of Lebanese civilian deaths to Israeli is getting on for 30:1.


Worth nothing is that Israel uses precision-guided bombs rather than unguided Katyushas. That being the case, I think the above stats tells us something about the contempt the Israeli military has for Lebanese civilians. All I can say is that I wish that Israel would switch to using Katyushas, that way they'll kill less civilians.

 

[Easystreet]

Treppers: I have a question for you.

Given the choice. This of course is hypothetical, but given the choice who would you partner with The IDF or Nezbullah.

If this were a real situation and you had to be one or the other which would you be want to side with?

I chose IDF

Your Turn

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Treppers: I have a question for you.

Given the choice. This of course is hypothetical, but given the choice who would you partner with The IDF or Nezbullah. If this were a real situation and you had to be one or the other which would you be want to side with?
I chose IDF
Your Turn

I suppose just as the Apostle Paul had a "thorn" in his side and a messenger of Satan to buffet him, so will the country/land of Jacob/Israel/Judah always have adversaries. There are so called "warmongers" on each side, some "radical" others more "passive", both in politics and "religion" it seems.

The Lord will not even have to lift a finger, as in this prophecy where brother will be against brother with the "sword".

Ezekiel 38:21 And I have called against him, to all My mountains a sword, An affirmation of the Lord Jehovah, The sword of each is against his brother.

 

[biblthmp]

The simple answer is that the Hezbollah rocket launchers are kept in the middle of school yard, and mosques, so when Israel destroys the rocket launchers, so go the human shields with them.

 

[gwynedd1]

Treppers: I have a question for you.

Given the choice. This of course is hypothetical, but given the choice who would you partner with The IDF or Nezbullah.

If this were a real situation and you had to be one or the other which would you be want to side with?

I chose IDF

Your Turn

To answer a ridiculus question:
The IDF is the last I would ever choose so.....

Here is an Iraeli that left the IDF and is seeking asylum


http://www.geocities.com/schossen/rachel.htm

There was an interview with him here.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith-Ruben-Schossen-3Aug2006.mp3

An interview that will not be seen in the US and he would not choose the IDF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXBBeR0bp9k

 

[Morghaine]

The reason there are so many civilian deaths in Lebanon is because Hezbollah hides their weapons in heavily civilian populations - in apartment buildings, and family neighborhoods. The IDF has been dropping leaflets, etc trying to get the civilians to leave the targeted areas.

 

[Treppers]

Treppers: I have a question for you.

Given the choice. This of course is hypothetical, but given the choice who would you partner with The IDF or Nezbullah.

If this were a real situation and you had to be one or the other which would you be want to side with?

I chose IDF

Your Turn

This is going to be rushed, I have to go out soon.

Gordon: I really don't understand the question. Supposing I substitute it for, "Who would I rather go with, Hitler or Stalin?" What's the point of such a question?

As regards to people who claim that "[t]he simple answer is that the Hezbollah rocket launchers are kept in the middle of school yard, and mosques, so when Israel destroys the rocket launchers, so go the human shields with them": Well, firstly you have provided me with no mainstream citation to support such assertions, and so such a statement merely reveals your assumption that Israel is good and Hezbollah is bad. As soon as we make unsupported assumptions, we open the door to error. If you don't provide me with a reputable source to back up your claims, I will reject what you say out of hand.

Anyway, I've seen that Hezbollah have been using banana plantations for cover, but not in-use schools etc. Also dangerous in your assumption is that you will immediately prejudge across that board that Hezbollah launchers were in place nearby where and when Israeli strikes occur , instead of looking at Israeli bombings on a case-by-case basis. Looking on a case-by-case basis requires much more effort; prejudging across the board on the basis of unsupported assumption requires no effort at all, so I can see why people do it.

Obviously Hezbollah's unguided missile attacks into Israeli cities need no case-by-case analysis, they are to be condemned across the board for recklessly endangering civilians.

With regard to bombing residential neighbourhoods, perhaps I can settle for a quote from law professor Yoram Dinstein of Tel Aviv University, one of the leading international experts on such matters: "There's no difference whatsoever between intentionally targeting civilians and indiscriminately firing into a civilian crowd."

Dropping a one-tonne bomb onto a residential neighbourhood and then saying, "Oh, but we didn't mean to kill any civilians!" is patent nonsense. Unless you are going to resort to silly justifications such as "Hezbollah does it, so why can't Israel?" there is no justification for Israeli strikes on residential neighbourhoods, either in Lebanon or in Gaza/West Bank.

 

[gwynedd1]

The reason there are so many civilian deaths in Lebanon is because Hezbollah hides their weapons in heavily civilian populations - in apartment buildings, and family neighborhoods. The IDF has been dropping leaflets, etc trying to get the civilians to leave the targeted areas.

At that ratio? These are children being murdered. What I am seeing is Arab genocide in action and in planning.

We "Christians" in the US started this

http://www.counterpunch.org/dixon06172004.html

Freedom for Iraq? We are poisoning the country while we "good Christains" demonize Islam.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-192054094648676514&q=depleted+uranium


Matt 7
1] Judge not, that ye be not judged.
[2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Lets bless the deplete uranium

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291980307&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

What a blessing it is to receive a leaflet.

 

[Poke]

Hezbollah have achieved a military 'hit' 62% of the time


Israeli has achieved a military 'hit' 9% of the time

To zionists, reality doesn't matter. Isreal is right, no matter what. All that's left for them to do is offer inane defeneses of Israel.

I feel like I'm listening to someone defending Hitler's behavior in WWII when I hear someone defend Isreal's behavior.

 

[Poke]

The simple answer is that the Hezbollah rocket launchers are kept in the middle of school yard, and mosques, so when Israel destroys the rocket launchers, so go the human shields with them.

Israeli war planes are kept behind civilian neighborhoods, out reach of Hezbollah rockets. Why aren't they cowards?

If you were given control of Hezbollah in this war (not that I think they're centrally controlled), how would your strategy be different?

Every time I ask a question similar to this of a zionist, I get something like "Roll over and die. That would be more than I deserve."

The truth is, it's not Israeli civilians getting killed that zionists object to. What they really object to is anyone defending themselves against Israeli aggression.

 

[ScottBot]

Lebanese civilian deaths: 1,005
Hizbullah deaths: 98 killed (IDF claim 400)


Israeli military deaths: 63
Israeli civilian deaths: 35



Some trivial maths reaveals the following:


Hezbollah have achieved a military 'hit' 62% of the time


Israeli has achieved a military 'hit' 9% of the time (or 28% of the time if you believe the IDF)



Worth nothing is that Israel uses precision-guided bombs rather than unguided Katyushas. That being the case, I think the above stats tells us something about the contempt the Israeli military has for Lebanese civilians. All I can say is that I wish that Israel would switch to using Katyushas, that way they'll kill less civilians.

You do realize that Hezbollah is hiding in civilian areas, right. Hard not to kill civilians when you are trying to root out a murderous terrorist group that hides in the basement of civilian homes.

 

[ScottBot]

To zionists, reality doesn't matter. Isreal is right, no matter what. All that's left for them to do is offer inane defeneses of Israel.

I feel like I'm listening to someone defending Hitler's behavior in WWII when I hear someone defend Isreal's behavior.

I feel like I am listening to a Hitler apologist when I hear someone defending Hezbollah.

 

[Poke]

You do realize that Hezbollah is hiding in civilian areas, right. Hard not to kill civilians when you are trying to root out a murderous terrorist group that hides in the basement of civilian homes.

I feel like I am listening to a Hitler apologist when I hear someone defending Hezbollah.

Uh, how is Hezbollah like Hitler? Israel, a racial supremacist nation, is the one that invaded a nearly defenseless country. Hezbollah, born in occupation, is more like the French Resistance.

What's different between you defending Israel's deliberate killing of civilians vs. Hitler's killing of civilians in occupied France? "They're hiding among civilians..."

 

[Jipsah]

Given the choice. This of course is hypothetical, but given the choice who would you partner with The IDF or Nezbullah.

That's called "Hobson's choice" isn't it?

 

[ScottBot]

Uh, how is Hezbollah like Hitler? Israel, a racial supremacist nation, is the one that invaded a nearly defenseless country. Hezbollah, born in occupation, is more like the French Resistance.

What's different between you defending Israel's deliberate killing of civilians vs. Hitler's killing of civilians in occupied France? "They're hiding among civilians..."

Easy, Hezbullah is a confirmed terrorist organization that started the whole thing by infiltating into Israel and killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers unprovoked. Irael's actions are a legitimate application of self-defense.

Everyone (but you, apparently) knows that Hezbullah is a puppet group for Iran and Syria.

 

[Poke]

Cutting through the propaganda, I don't really think Hezbollah wants civilians around them. Civilians can give away their position and Israel, the world's spy master, certainly has a number of spies among civilians in Lebanon.

The whole idea of human shields is absurd, not just because it's bad strategy, but because Israel doesn't hesitate to bomb civilians.

Zionist propaganda cartoons often feature images of "terrorists" with babies strapped around their waists, or civilians strapped around trucks. A complete cartoon would have a second frame with of a crater with a smiling IDF Israeli standing next to it. Maybe with the caption, "They're going to have to find something sturdier."

All that's true is that Hezbollah seeks to hide. That is necessary, given that they have practically no other defense against Israel's military.

 

[humbledbyhim]

Freedom for Iraq? We are poisoning the country while we "good Christains" demonize Islam.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-192054094648676514&q=depleted+uranium


Matt 7
1] Judge not, that ye be not judged.
[2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

[\quote]

I don't support either side, but I will say that any religion that is not about the truth of Jesus Christ is of the Devil. So, no one has to demonize Islam or any other religion. They are all of the devil (whether they are trying to kill people or not) if they don't rely on the truth of Christ. That's not judging, that's the facts.

 

[ScottBot]

Cutting through the propaganda, I don't really think Hezbollah wants civilians around them. Civilians can give away their position and Israel, the world's spy master, certainly has a number of spies among civilians in Lebanon.

The whole idea of human shields is absurd, not just because it's bad strategy, but because Israel doesn't hesitate to bomb civilians.

Zionist propaganda cartoons often feature images of "terrorists" with babies strapped around their waists, or civilians strapped around trucks. A complete cartoon would have a second frame with of a crater with a smiling IDF Israeli standing next to it. Maybe with the caption, "They're going to have to find something sturdier."

All that's true is that Hezbollah seeks to hide. That is necessary, given that they have practically no other defense against Israel's military.

I've not heard someone more out of touch with reality.

Part of Hezbollah's charter is to "Blow Israel of the face of the earth".

They train to strap explosives to themselves and blow themselves into a million pieces for Allah.

You really think they care about hiding, or about the "marginal Muslims" they are hiding behind?

 

[Poke]

Easy, Hezbullah is a confirmed terrorist organization that started the whole thing by infiltating into Israel and killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers unprovoked. Irael's actions are a legitimate application of self-defense.

Try not to stray from the facts. Those Israeli soldiers who were captured were in Lebanon (technically Syria), not Israel. The Israeli troops were not in Israel and Israel holds thousands of Lebanese political prisoners.

Also, try to be at least somewhat reasonable in your opinion. A full blown war over the capture of two soldiers is disproportionate, especially when no peaceful means was tried first.

Now, you may go back to explaining why every French civilian killed by the nazis is all the fault of the French terrorists (French resistance).

 

[ScottBot]

Try not to stray from the facts. Those Israeli soldiers who were captured were in Lebanon (technically Syria), not Israel. The Israeli troops were not in Israel and Israel holds thousands of Lebanese political prisoners.

Also, try to be at least somewhat reasonable in your opinion. A full blown war over the capture of two soldiers is disproportionate, especially when no peaceful means was tried first.

Now, you may go back to explaining why every French civilian killed by the nazis is all the fault of the French terrorists (French resistance).

Hilter was bent on conquoring and occupying all of Europe. Israel could care less about conquoring the middle East and occupying it. Completely different motivations altogether. It is the Islamofascists that want to conquor and occupy Israel.