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[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't think simon was asking for an equivalency, Thekla. I think all he was asking for was an affirmation that scripture (revealed truth) is revealed by God.

It's probably no slippery slope to go ahead & risk a "yes".

Even Protestants, if only like stopped clocks, can be right twice a day.

I hope we get enuf snow here in Texas to have slippery slopes to slide down

Colo 1:26 The Mystery having been hid from the ages and from the generations, now yet was made manifest to the holy-ones of Him.
27 To-whom wills, the God, to make known any the riches of the glory of this, the Mystery, in the Nations, which is Christ in ye, the hope of glory.
[Revelation 10:7]

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh Messenger, whenever He may be being about to be trumpeting, also is finish the Mystery of the God, as He brings Well-Message to His bond-servants the prophets.

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[JesusFreak78]

I don't believe in possession or automatic writing.

God interacted with these writers in direct relationship and illumined them; God did not write the Gospels for the Gospel writers. They write differently.

I didn't say God wrote it for them. I said the scriptures are God breathed and the writers are inspired by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dorothea]

You want everything boiled down ?

A direct revelation would be God writing.
A direct revelation would be God interacting with someone.

The Scriptures are the record of a direct revelation.

I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.

 

[JesusFreak78]

I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.

I don't understand why it's so hard to answer yes or no.

 

[Thekla]

I didn't say God wrote it for them. I said the scriptures are God breathed and the writers are inspired by the Holy Spirit.

And absolutely nothing else is ?

 

[Philothei]

Nothing you posted goes against what I said. It tells you to go to the church, but it doesn't say the church can go beyond what the Word of God is saying.

The word of God as Christ works in the Church His Bride. So If Christ is married to he Church I think obviously again that is a Holy union.

 

[Tzaousios]

I don't think iconography is Christian, so I will say all of it is inappropriate.

Right, which naturally follows from your presuppositions, as I have said all along. Hopefully people will take note of this.

What is stopping you from outright iconoclasm? Should Evangelical Protestants seek to remove and destroy religious iconography from Catholic and Orthodox churches?

The Orthodox have not said that their desire is not to have an appropriate image of Christ. Also, the iconographic tradition has never sought to have anything less than to represent Christ appropriately.

I understand this and I find it scary they don't care about representing Christ accurately.

More manipulation of my statements. You know that I did not mean that they do not care about representing Christ accurately. This is entirely disingenuous, which seems to be a recurring tactic that you and simon use.

Tell me something, if you wish to portray yourself as a simple, no-nonsense, plain-talking, jus' me-n'-my-Bible Evangelical Protestant, why do you resort to wordsmithery and rhetoric to co-opt others words into the service of your purpose?

I don't have an icon who appropriate represent Christ because no such thing exist.

Right, so why should the Orthodox care enough about your personal belief to adopt it as their own? Since we all know you are not "merely repeating what the Bible plainly says," please tell why.

I don't expect them to accept what I'm saying, but it doesn't stop me from trying to tell them the truth.

No, it is what you personally have chosen to believe based upon a presuppositional reading of certain texts. You rhetorically label it as "the truth." No one is buying it because they do not care for your rhetoric or your wilful ignorance of the history of their beliefs.

I'm using them to show that there is no way to represent Christ accurately by an image from those verses.

Ah, which is a different spin than what you were spinning before. Before, you were trumpeting with the utmost confidence that the OT verses talking about idolatry also applied to Orthodox iconography. When you were called out on such a smug eisegesis, you reconfigured the rhetoric to convey the above. The thin veneer is not hiding anything, my friend.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You want everything boiled down ?

A direct revelation would be God writing.
A direct revelation would be God interacting with someone.
The Scriptures are the record of a direct revelation.

May the veil of darkness be lifted to bring others to the light that is of Jesus

Luke 2:32 A Light into a un-covering/veiling/apo-kaluyin <602> of Nations
and glory of people of Thee Israel
[John 1:3, 4/Revelation 1:1]

Revelation 1:1 An un-covering/veiling/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ, which gives to him, the God, to show to His bond-servants, which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness.
And He signifies commissioning thru the messenger of Him, to the bondservants of Him, John.

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[simonthezealot]

I don't think simon was asking for an equivalency, Thekla. I think all he was asking for was an affirmation that scripture (revealed truth) is revealed by God.

It's probably no slippery slope to go ahead & risk a "yes".

Even Protestants, if only like stopped clocks, can be right twice a day.

She can't because she knows that the follow up is then, "are icons a direct revelation from God?" where-in she would be required to answer no.
So at the cost of the infallibility and inerrancy of God-breathed scripture iconography is protected.

 

[Thekla]

I don't think simon was asking for an equivalency, Thekla. I think all he was asking for was an affirmation that scripture (revealed truth) is revealed by God.

It's probably no slippery slope to go ahead & risk a "yes".

Even Protestants, if only like stopped clocks, can be right twice a day.

It's not about Protestants "being wrong"

Recall, my first guide in Christianity was a Protestant minister - my dad

But I think the question is "misguided".

What is written in Scripture is a record of what is revealed, but is not the totality of the revelation, is not the revelation.

Again, revelation is Jesus Christ.
The Scriptures "testify of" Him (this is what Christ states).

 

[Thekla]

She can't because she knows that the follow up is then, "are icons a direct revelation from God?" where-in she would be required to answer no.
So at the cost of the infallibility and inerrancy of God-breathed scripture iconography is protected.

Actually, not at all

There is a distorted view of Scripture; I am not in agreement with this distortion.

Jesus Christ Himself says 'The scriptures testify of Me".

I agree with Christ.

 

[simonthezealot]

What is written in Scripture is a record of what is revealed, but is not the totality of the revelation, is not the revelation.

Yes that is what Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith, Ellen G. White and others would say as well.

What about the yet unfulfilled prophecies? how are they revealed?

 

[Rick Otto]

Oky-dokey.
Can it be a complete description?

Hi Thekky!! It's hot dog time at the art factory. I can choke down two in the allotted 30 minutes. I wonder who has the land speed record for dog bitin'?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The word of God as Christ works in the Church His Bride. So If Christ is married to he Church I think obviously again that is a Holy union.

John 3:29 The one having the bride bridegroom is.
The yet friend of the bridegroom, the one standing and hearing Him, to joy is rejoicing because of the voice of the bridegroom.
This then my joy has been filled.

NKJV) Revelation 21:2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

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[Thekla]

Yes that is what Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith, Ellen G. White and others would say as well.

What about the yet unfulfilled prophecies? how are they revealed?

They were revealed through relationship with God.

What does John say ?

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day ..."

 

[Thekla]

Oky-dokey.
Can it be a complete description?

Hi Thekky!! It's hot dog time at the art factory. I can choke down two in the allotted 30 minutes. I wonder who has the land speed record for dog bitin'?

No description is a "complete description"; it is not possible.

No way I get the record on hot dogs

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

They were revealed through relationship with God.

What does John say ?

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day ..."

Hi sis
There is a thread on that if any are interested

http://www.christianforums.com/t7475520/#post54978597
The Lord's Day

Rev. 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

What day is the Lord's day?

Some say Sunday. Some say Saturday. But I say each day. Here's why from both Scripture and Tradition.<snip>........

Praise the Lord, show forth His salvation, rejoice, and be glad it His day.

 

[Dorothea]

I don't understand why it's so hard to answer yes or no.

She answered it adequately. It just wasn't the answer you and simon were trying to corner her on.

 

[Dorothea]

Actually, not at all

There is a distorted view of Scripture; I am not in agreement with this distortion.

Jesus Christ Himself says 'The scriptures testify of Me".

I agree with Christ.

That seems to be at the crux of this whole discussion. I agree with you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No description is a "complete description"; it is not possible.

No way I get the record on hot dogs

Did you know July is actually designated as National Hot Dog month

http://www.christianforums.com/t7576320-5/#post58002615

Did you know?

July is National Hot Dog Month
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