The Lord's Day

[Standing Up]

Rev. 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

What day is the Lord's day?

Some say Sunday. Some say Saturday. But I say each day. Here's why from both Scripture and Tradition.

In a different thread, I spoke about how Jesus taught the apostles and they uniformly taught the Church about the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Church first observed His death on the 14th of Nisan on whatever day of the week it fell on. It was like your birth day in that regard.

According to Irenaeus, however, during the reign of Sixtus in Rome c125 AD a different, nonapostolic way was introduced. They decided to coincide the Lord's resurrection to the first Sunday sunrise after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. This is what most celebrate now. That man-made tradition has led to confusion over the definition of the Lord's day. Instead of it being each day, it was wrongly narrowed to Sunday. But the fact is the Apostles, Church, and Scripture never authorized that identification.

This also came to impact the understanding of the 1 day is 1000 days that Peter spoke of, but a different thread.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law. But it gives (school master) the Church certain patterns that we learn from. Here's a sampling of the Lord's day from Scripture.

Passover was the 14th of Nisan (the day of our Lord's death). The next seven days from the 15th through the 21st were the feast of unleavened bread.

2 Chr. 30:21 And the children of Israel that were present at Jerusalem kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with great gladness: and the Levites and the priests praised the LORD day by day, [singing] with loud instruments unto the LORD.

Ps. 96:2 Sing unto the LORD, bless his name; shew forth his salvation from day to day.

Ps. 118:24 This [is] the day [which] the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Ps. 128:5 The LORD shall bless thee out of Zion: and thou shalt see the good of Jerusalem all the days of thy life.

Praise the Lord, show forth His salvation, rejoice, and be glad it His day.

 

[bugkiller]

Rev. 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

What day is the Lord's day?

Some say Sunday. Some say Saturday. But I say each day. Here's why from both Scripture and Tradition.

In a different thread, I spoke about how Jesus taught the apostles and they uniformly taught the Church about the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Church first observed His death on the 14th of Nisan on whatever day of the week it fell on. It was like your birth day in that regard.

According to Irenaeus, however, during the reign of Sixtus in Rome c125 AD a different, nonapostolic way was introduced. They decided to coincide the Lord's resurrection to the first Sunday sunrise after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. This is what most celebrate now. That man-made tradition has led to confusion over the definition of the Lord's day. Instead of it being each day, it was wrongly narrowed to Sunday. But the fact is the Apostles, Church, and Scripture never authorized that identification.

This also came to impact the understanding of the 1 day is 1000 days that Peter spoke of, but a different thread.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law. But it gives (school master) the Church certain patterns that we learn from. Here's a sampling of the Lord's day from Scripture.

Passover was the 14th of Nisan (the day of our Lord's death). The next seven days from the 15th through the 21st were the feast of unleavened bread.

2 Chr. 30:21 And the children of Israel that were present at Jerusalem kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with great gladness: and the Levites and the priests praised the LORD day by day, [singing] with loud instruments unto the LORD.

Ps. 96:2 Sing unto the LORD, bless his name; shew forth his salvation from day to day.

Ps. 118:24 This [is] the day [which] the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Ps. 128:5 The LORD shall bless thee out of Zion: and thou shalt see the good of Jerusalem all the days of thy life.

Praise the Lord, show forth His salvation, rejoice, and be glad it His day.

I really can't tell from your post or your faith icon what you are trying to say.

I think John is talking about Sunday and not the sabbath because it had become the custom of the day to refer to Sunday as the Lord's day. In I Corinthians Paul refers to the Lord's supper. This is the same word John uses in Rev 1:10. Kuriake was in common usage among Christians meaning the Lord Jesus Christ. John uses the word sabbath in referance to Saturday in his gospel. So why would he change in Revelation? To get by the government that banned him to Patmos? The government is brighter than that.

So can you help us out with your focus a little better?

bugkiller

 

[Pythons]

Yes, the "Lord's Day" is another way of saying Sunday....
...Like "Sabbath" is another way of saying Saturday.

 

[Standing Up]

I really can't tell from your post or your faith icon what you are trying to say.

I think John is talking about Sunday and not the sabbath because it had become the custom of the day to refer to Sunday as the Lord's day. In I Corinthians Paul refers to the Lord's supper. This is the same word John uses in Rev 1:10. Kuriake was in common usage among Christians meaning the Lord Jesus Christ. John uses the word sabbath in referance to Saturday in his gospel. So why would he change in Revelation? To get by the government that banned him to Patmos? The government is brighter than that.

So can you help us out with your focus a little better?

bugkiller

Sorry I wasn't clear.

The apostles "taught the Church about the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Church first observed His death on the 14th of Nisan on whatever day of the week it fell on. "

Since the apostles first taught that the death was on the 14th of Nisan, then the third day resurrection was on the 16th (14, 15, 16). Since they observed the 14th on whatever day of the week it fell, then the 16th (day of resurrection) also would have fallen on whatever day of the week.

See? The day of death was the 14th and they observed it on whatever day of the week it fell. Same with the resurrection. It was the 16th and they observed it on whatever day of the week it fell. For example, one year the 14th could fall on a Sunday and the 16th on a Tuesday. The next year the 14th could fall on Monday and the 16th on Wednesday. Each day would be the Lord's day.

So the fixing of and definition of and reason for Lord's day as Sunday is a later invention apart from Scripture and Apostolic Tradition. The apostles never fixed or defined or observed the Lord's day as Sunday or Saturday.

Then if we consider all of Scripture, we find this confirmed--

Today is the day, if you hear the LORD, do not harden your heart ...

This is the day that the LORD has made ...

 

[Standing Up]

Yes, the "Lord's Day" is another way of saying Sunday....
...Like "Sabbath" is another way of saying Saturday.

The idea of Lord's day as Sunday is a later definition. The Lord's day is today.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Pythons Yes, the "Lord's Day" is another way of saying Sunday....
...Like "Sabbath" is another way of saying Saturday.

The idea of Lord's day as Sunday is a later definition. The Lord's day is today.

Ya gotta convince the RCs of that tho. They have a thread on the OBOB board concerning that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7378235/#post52136720
The Lord's Day

Still not Catholic yet, but I believe in the Church and I am trying to incorporate some Catholicism in my spiritual life. Earlier this morning I actually asked a saint, St. Agnes of Rome, to pray for me for the first time.

I would also like to learn the Rosary.

First question: Is it okay to do these things if I am not Catholic? Second, what are some ways that Catholics celebrate the Lord's Day outside of Mass?

Thank you.

 

[from scratch]

The idea of Lord's day as Sunday is a later definition. The Lord's day is today.

And so who really cares? Jesus said to celebrate as oft as ye do. Jesus doesn't specify a day or even how often. Therefore it is left up to us to determine how often. Now we have the tadition of men. But the same thing goes for the sabbath. Only it is a regular observance which doesn't coinside with the Gregorian calendar as Saturday. Therfore the observance of Saturday as the sabbath is a tradition of man and not what the Bible (law) commands. To claim Saturday is the sabbath is bearing false witness against God and called sin. So go figure out how the law pusher is keeping the 10 Cs when infact they're saying God says somthing He doesn't.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Rev. 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

What day is the Lord's day?

"The Lord's Day" is the "Day of the Lord", "the Great and terrible day of the Lord" ect, ect.
It is that time whe Jesus return to this earth and begins to take control of this worlds kingdoms and make them all submit to His government, i.e. the Kingdom of God.
"The Lord's Day" has nothing to do with any day of the week.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

According to the "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church", the "Lord's Day" as spoken of in the book of Revelation is Sunday.

There is no contention among them on this subject.

Teaching otherwise is to teach against the teachings of the historic "Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church". "All of them."

Forgive me...

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Passover was the 14th of Nisan (the day of our Lord's death). The next seven days from the 15th through the 21st were the feast of unleavened bread.

Show me a historical source which says this. Your ccel.org source you were using in the other threads says that the apostles celebrated Jesus' Last Supper on the 14 of Nisan, and the Death of Jesus on the 15th, and the resurrection 2 days later. They were all of the same understanding about the date of the death, burial, and resurrection.

 

[Standing Up]

According to the "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church", the "Lord's Day" as spoken of in the book of Revelation is Sunday.

There is no contention among them on this subject.

Teaching otherwise is to teach against the teachings of the historic "Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church". "All of them."

Forgive me...

Jn. 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

Same day? Which day?

 

[Standing Up]

Show me a historical source which says this. Your ccel.org source you were using in the other threads says that the apostles celebrated Jesus' Last Supper on the 14 of Nisan, and the Death of Jesus on the 15th, and the resurrection 2 days later. They were all of the same understanding about the date of the death, burial, and resurrection.

That is what very early historical sources say (Christ died on the 14th). Yes, a couple interpret it to align to the 15th. As well, Chrysostom thought Jesus died on the 15th. Pope Leo asserted Jesus died on the 15th. RC still says so. Not sure what EO teaches presently (some of your group asset that Jesus died on the 13th).

Anyway, we can go through the quotes again if you'd like. Maybe we should also explore what Melito and Clement of Alexandria said on the issue. It may also help to actually start with scripture.

Sunday is the third day since these things ...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Sabbatarianism

, doctrine of those Christians who believe that Sunday (the Christian Sabbath) should be observed in accordance with the Fourth Commandment, which forbids work on the Sabbath because it is a holy day. Some other Christians have contended that the Fourth (or Third in some systems) Commandment was a part of the Hebrew ceremonial, not moral, law. They believe that this law was entirely abolished by Jesus Christ, whose Resurrection on the first day of the week established a new kind of day, characterized by worship rather than absence of work. In Christianity there are many shades of opinion between these two views.
Legislation concerning what may or may not be done on Sunday is as old as the time of the Roman emperor Constantine I, who decreed regulations against Sunday labour in 321. In its strictest form, however, Sabbatarianism was the creation of the Scottish and English Reformers, especially John Knox. The Scottish Presbyterians and the Puritans took their views to the American colonies, where rigorous “blue laws” were enacted. Although reduced in number and effect, Sunday observance laws are still promoted in various European countries and in the United States. State or local laws, primarily in the South, bar certain business activities and sporting events on Sunday—increasingly, however, only before noon.
Those Christians who believe that the weekly holy day should still be observed on the Sabbath, or Saturday, rather than on Sunday, are also called Sabbatarians. There was a Sabbatarian movement in the 16th century, and the Seventh-day Adventist church upholds the continuing validity of the Sabbath, Saturday, for Christians.

Just looking around to see how long this particularity in Christianity has been argued.

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

.. double post

Forgive me...

 

[Ortho_Cat]

That is what very early historical sources say (Christ died on the 14th). Yes, a couple interpret it to align to the 15th. As well, Chrysostom thought Jesus died on the 15th. Pope Leo asserted Jesus died on the 15th. RC still says so. Not sure what EO teaches presently (some of your group asset that Jesus died on the 13th).

Anyway, we can go through the quotes again if you'd like. Maybe we should also explore what Melito and Clement of Alexandria said on the issue. It may also help to actually start with scripture.

Sunday is the third day since these things ...

I'm still wanting to see sources for any of these claims...

 

[Deut 5:29]

Sunday is the third day since these things ...

The third day since "these things" include Christ's burial and the placing of the guards at His tomb the next day.

 

[Deut 5:29]

I'm still wanting to see sources for any of these claims...

The Bible says plainly that Jesus died on the 14th day of the first month.

 

[Standing Up]

The third day since "these things" include Christ's burial and the placing of the guards at His tomb the next day.

Not according to scripture. These things refers to the verse before.

And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.

But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day [sunday] is the third day since these things were done.

Since is apo. It means from.
Sunday--day 3
Saturday--day 2
Friday--day 1
Thursday--day 0

 

[Standing Up]

Just looking around to see how long this particularity in Christianity has been argued.

Forgive me...

Believe there's some Nicea canon about it.

 

[Standing Up]

Jn. 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

Same day? Which day?

1. Therefore Abraham also, knowing the Father through the Word, who made heaven and earth, confessed Him to be God; and having learned, by an announcement [made to him], that the Son of God would be a man among men, by whose advent his seed should be as the stars of heaven, he desired to see that day, so that he might himself also embrace Christ; and, seeing it through the spirit of prophecy, he rejoiced.38673867 Gen. xvii. 17. ...Rightly, then, did our Lord bear witness to him, saying, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.”
ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus | Christian Classics Ethereal Library

What other day did Abraham see?