Icons of Evolution

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This "one who created nature" you speak of, can some of His rebellious subordinates influence our mindset?

I know where you're going with this:
"Blah-blah-blah. Satan influenced Darwin to write the Origin of Species. Blah-blah-blah."

 

[AV1611VET]

You can SAY it's irrational all you want, but it's impossible for you to SHOW that it's irrational.

Do you understand? If you want to SHOW that it's irrational, then you need to give actual scientific evidence that it's irrational. Until then, all you're doing is just crying in the wind.

As a deist, do you pray that God will break His silence and clear the air once and for all?

 

[AV1611VET]

I know where you're going with this:
"Blah-blah-blah. Satan influenced Darwin to write the Origin of Species. Blah-blah-blah."

You certainly know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to run, don't you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

As a deist, do you pray that God will break His silence and clear the air once and for all?

As Baptist, I don't think you'd care either way.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You certainly know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to run, don't you?

No, it's more that I know that you're a broken record.

 

[Shemjaza]

I accept that the theory of evolution is the best available scientific explanation for what produced the history of life on earth, but I certainly don't accept it as the truth ... on fact, I suspect it's nowhere near the truth.

Why not?

What alternatives are justifiable?

That's an understatement. We have no "knowledge" about what mechanisms were responsible for producing the history of life on earth, for it's impossible to obtain such knowledge. The best anyone can do is theorise about what mechanisms were responsible.

Not true at all.

We have plentiful bits of evidence from different fields that allow us to infer what happened.

Furthermore, we don't even know what the history of life on earth is, simply because fossils may have recorded only a tiny fraction of all the organisms that have ever existed. The history of life on earth is unknowable.

No, we do know, just not in 100% detail.

If I come home to a shredded bag and salty paw prints I can never know what order those cashews were eaten, in fact it could have been aliens... but the evidence leads me to the conclusion that my dog ate the nuts.

The theory of evolution is inherently irrational.

Believing that human beings are the result of some mindless biological process is highly irrational, therefore believing that the history of life on earth is the result of some mindless biological process is highly irrational, therefore the theory of evolution is inherently irrational.

Because you say so?

If it's a matter of rationality then you should be able to specify why.

The same trivially demonstrated mechanisms that explain the practicality of paternity tests and allow for the separation of domestic breeds is what is needed for evolution and speciation. With the addition of fossil and genetic evidence to show that it did indeed happen.

 

[AV1611VET]

As Baptist, I don't think you'd care either way.

The only reason I don't care is because I know He's going to break His silence.

He said so in writing.

And one facet of His program is what is called "our blessed hope."

As a deist, do YOU have this same hope?

 

[Buzzard3]

You can SAY it's irrational all you want, but it's impossible for you to SHOW that it's irrational.

Do you understand? If you want to SHOW that it's irrational, then you need to give actual scientific evidence that it's irrational. Until then, all you're doing is just crying in the wind.

It's objectively irrational. No need for me to provide "actual scientific evidence".

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it's more that I know that you're a broken record.

Well, as the world says:

"Repetition is the mother of learning."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's objectively irrational. No need for me to provide "actual scientific evidence".

No, it's subjectively irrational since it's your opinion. If you want to be seen as objectively irrational, you need to present evidence that is instead of just saying that it is.

 

[Shemjaza]

It's objectively irrational. No need for me to provide "actual scientific evidence".

Inferring from incomplete, but consistent evidence is completely rational.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Well, as the world says:

"Repetition is the mother of learning."

And yet you give me grief for being a quote 'broken record' too... One rule for me and one for thee, eh?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The only reason I don't care is because I know He's going to break His silence.

He said so in writing.

And one facet of His program is what is called "our blessed hope."

As a deist, do YOU have this same hope?

I find myself focused more on the here and now and the consequences of those rather than things that I will probably not be around to experience.

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet you give me grief for being a quote 'broken record' too... One rule for me and one for thee, eh?

Touché.

 

[Buzzard3]

No, we do know

No, you don't know. The true history of life on earth could be vastly different to what the fossil record reveals.

just not in 100% detail.

If not 100%, what is the percentage? You can't even hazard a guess, bcoz you have no idea and no way of knowing.

 

[AV1611VET]

I find myself focused more on the here and now and the consequences of those rather than things that I will probably not be around to experience.

Do you hope for ANYTHING?

You know -- like world peace, alleviation of hunger, those sorts of things?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Do you hope for ANYTHING?

You know -- like world peace, alleviation of hunger, those sorts of things?

That really has nothing to do with the topic at hand so I'm not going to answer it.

 

[Buzzard3]

No, it's subjectively irrational since it's your opinion. If you want to be seen as objectively irrational, you need to present evidence that is instead of just saying that it is.

In that case, please present evidence that it's subjectively irrational, instead of just saying that it is.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

In that case, please present evidence that it's subjectively irrational, instead of just saying that it is.

.... you're going down the "No you!" route? Really? How old are you?
ETA: Plus, I think you want me to present evidence that it isn't irrational. I think...

 

[BCP1928]

Do you hope for ANYTHING?

You know -- like world peace, alleviation of hunger, those sorts of things?

Of course I do. I'm not a MAGA Christian.