I want to see timeline charts.....

[TribulationSigns]

We aren't gathering interpretation from historians. We are only gathering facts. We learn information like: who was governor of a region during a certain year; what wars occurred and who fought in them; who controlled certain regions politically....etc.

You are still interpreted based on historians. Not Scripture.

Now, where is your Scripture for your 40 years covenant transition nonsense, please.

 

[mkgal1]

I have quoted Scripture to prove you wrong. How where is Scripture support for your so-called 40 years transition chart exactly as God said it. I am waiting.

I've not seen where you've quoted Scripture that "proves me wrong ".

Can you re-word your following sentence? I can't make out what you're asking.

 

[mkgal1]

You are still interpreted based on historians. Not Scripture.

I'm comparing Scripture to history. For instance: Jesus said things, His apostles recorded them in Scripture, and history offers us confirmation.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I've not seen where you've quoted Scripture that "proves me wrong ".

Of course, you won't receive the Truth. Read again.

Can you re-word your following sentence? I can't make out what you're asking.

Not playing your games. Your 40-year transition chart has been proved wrong biblically per my post. So read again!

 

[TribulationSigns]

I'm comparing Scripture to history. For instance: Jesus said things, His apostles recorded them in Scripture, and history offers us confirmation.

Read again.

 

[mkgal1]

Now, where is your Scripture for your 40 years covenant transition nonsense, please

Jesus died on the Cross in 30 AD......Jerusalem and the temple religious system was destroyed in 70 AD. Jesus was the mediator of a new covenant. His death made the former covenant obsolete.....what was obsolete was soon disappearing. Now that we are on the other side of this - it's much more clear to some of us what was meant by these words:

Hebrews 8:13 ~ By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear​

 

[mkgal1]

Not playing your games

Likewise.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Jesus died on the Cross in 30 AD......Jerusalem and the temple religious system was destroyed in 70 AD. Jesus was the mediator of a new covenant. His death made the former covenant obsolete.....what was obsolete was soon disappearing. Now that we are on the other side of this - it's much more clear to some of us what was meant by these words:

Hebrews 8:13 ~ By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear​

Good job on providing a verse.

Now tell me how did the new covenant was confirmed? The verse you quoted said that the first one has to be obsoleted before a new covenant can take place. When was that? When did Christ confirm a new covenant? The answer is right in the Scripture if you know how to find it.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Likewise.

No, you were playing because you did not prove any Scripture I asked to support your so-called 40 year Covenant transition nonsense! Your position remained refuted!

 

[mkgal1]

Matthew 21:42-43 KJV
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

This has NOTHING to do with your man-made chart with 40 transition years or physical destruction of Jerusalem. Zero!

When were the high priests removed literally from their office? They may have been removed spiritually in 30 AD....but it took another 40 years for their apostate/corrupt system to be literally removed from them and buried forever.

 

[mkgal1]

Good job on providing a verse.

Now tell me how did the new covenant was confirmed? The verse you quoted said that the first one has to be obsoleted before a new covenant can take place. When was that? When did Christ confirm a new covenant? The answer is right in the Scripture if you know how to find it.

Luke 22:20 ~ In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.

 

[TribulationSigns]

When were the high priests removed literally from their office? They may have been removed spiritually in 30 AD....but it took another 40 years for their apostate/corrupt system to be literally removed and buried forever.

LOL!!!! Show me in scripture where the high priests needed to be removed from office? I do not see that in the Scripture as a requirement! Their kingdom representative was already taken from them (the congregation) the moment Christ died on the Cross! It was the Jews, His people, who came against him. Their congregation has SPIRITUALLY lost their kingdom representative even if they repaired the torn veil, resume animal sacrifice, and high priest mind their business. They are spiritually blind, just like people like you who are looking for physical fulfillment.

Daniel 9:26 KJV
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

This is the fall of Old Testament Congregation along with the death of the Messiah, their prince! And people of THAT prince being the Jews! The desolation has already been determined upon her when Christ spoke it?

Matthew 23:37-38 KJV
[37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
[38] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

The Jews in Christ's day did not kill the prophets, but they are part of Old Testament Congregation who is responsible for killing the old testament prophets. Christ has already declared this congregation to be desolate just as Daniel 9:26 declared!

But the next verse, Daniel 9:27, concerns the New Testament Congregation whom Christ has confirmed a new Covenant with! Hello?! All of this took place at the Cross. The Old Testament Congregation fell, and the New Testament Congregation rise in Christ! And Christ already empowered His People at Pentecost to preach to Gospel. The New Testament Congregation was already born. NO need to wait for physical destruction of Jersualem which is absurd! Your position remains refuted.

 

[mkgal1]

No, you were playing because you did not prove any Scripture I asked to support your so-called 40 year Covenant transition nonsense! Your position remained refuted!

And, IMO, it's a game to direct Scripture to our expectations and bend to answering our questions.

The Scriptures also don't directly state the year Jesus was anointed and the year He died on the Cross or else we wouldn't have this thread. However....Luke, especially, was meticulous in his details, so we have information from Scripture to compare to historical information to put together a timeline.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Luke 22:20 ~ In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.

Sigh!!!....

This is a new covenant that Christ made with his 12 disciples and us, the church, too in REMEMBERANCE after his death! Why? Because that is when the new covenant was "confirmed or make it strong" when Christ died. There is Scripture for it. Keep looking!

 

[TribulationSigns]

And, IMO, it's a game to direct Scripture to our expectations and bend to answering our questions.

Your IMO means nothing if you won't allow Scripture to interpret Scripture or Scripture to confirm Scripture. Not history interpret Scripture, Selah!

 

[mkgal1]

LOL!!!! Show me in scripture where the high priests needed to be removed from office?

That's the trouble with your requirement. Scripture pointed forward and prophesied (and then vision and revelation was sealed and completed). We look back.

You shared the parable of the wicked tenants. Scripture says the Pharisees and chief priests knew Jesus told the parable in reference to them. When the temple (and all of ancient Jerusalem) was destroyed.....they were no longer representing the Kingdom of God.

 

[Douggg]

But the next verse, Daniel 9:27, concerns the New Testament Congregation whom Christ has confirmed a new Covenant with! Hello?! All of this took place at the Cross. The Old Testament Congregation fell, and the New Testament Congregation rise in Christ! And Christ already empowered His People at Pentecost to preach to Gospel. The New Testament Congregation was already born. NO need to wait for physical destruction of Jersualem which is absurd! Your position remains refuted.

You are going to have a hard time finding the resurrection in Daniel 9:26-27. The death and resurrection of the messiah is the full basis for the new covenant. Only the death of the messiah is found in Daniel 9:26-27.

 

[TribulationSigns]

That's the trouble with your requirement. Scripture pointed forward and prophesied. We look back.

You are distracting. Do your job to find Scripture on how New Covenant was confirmed or make strong like I asked. The answer is right there in the Scripture if you search to find it.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You are going to have a hard time finding the resurrection in Daniel 9:26-27. The death and resurrection of the messiah is the full basis for the new covenant. Only the death of the messiah is found in Daniel 9:26-27.

Daniel 9:26-27 KJV
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What are you talking about?! Read Daniel 9:27 on how he (the same Messiah the Prince in context) has confirmed the covenant? What covenant is this? Tell us!

 

[mkgal1]

You are distracting. Do your job to find Scripture on how New Covenant was confirmed or make strong like I asked. The answer is right there in the Scripture if you search to find it.

You obviously have something specific in mind. Why don't you share it?

This passage seems to apply:

Hebrews 9:6-9 ~
6When everything had been prepared in this way, the priests entered regularly into the first room to perform their sacred duties. 7But only the high priest entered the second room, and then only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.8By this arrangement the Holy Spirit was showing that the way into the Most Holy Placee had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. 9It is an illustration for the present time, because the gifts and sacrifices being offered were unable to cleanse the conscience of the worshiper .​

.....however, I believe it was more about His entire 3.5 year ministry and the remaining 3.5 years of ministry of His disciples in Jerusalem that confirmed the New Covenant - and that's not summed up in one passage or even one book of the New Testament. ]