I want to see timeline charts.....

[Douggg]

Revelation 12 Sign (Rev. 12:1–17)

On 23 September 2017 the sun was in the zodiac constellation Virgo—“a woman clothed with the sun.” The moon was at the feet of Virgo—“with the moon under her feet.” The nine stars of the zodiac constellation Leo, plus three planets (Mercury, Venus, and Mars), were at the head of Virgo—“on her head a crown of 12 stars.” The planet Jupiter was in the center of Virgo, and, as the weeks pass after 23 September, Jupiter exited Virgo to the east, past her feet, so to speak—“She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.” Jupiter is the largest of the planets, the “king” of the planets, so to speak—“She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.”


Biblical signs in the sky on September 23, 2017? | EarthSky.org

Revelation 12 sign prophecy - Wikipedia

The woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared for her for a time, times, and half a time (3 1/2 years). 1,260 days after 23 September 2017 is 6 March 2021—a fulfillment in the making.

The Antichrist

2 Th. 2:1–12 Man of lawlessness/son of destruction

Rev. 9:11 Angel of the abyss/Apollyon (Destroyer)

Rev. 11:7 Beast that comes up out of the abyss

Rev. 13:14 Beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life

Rev. 17:8–11 Beast that was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction/eighth king



“The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction”—Rev. 17:11

Recall, the seven were:

Seven Heads (Kings) (Rev. 13:1–10; 17:10)
1. Victor Emmanuel I (1802–1821)
2. Charles Felix (1821–1831)
3. Charles Albert (1831–1849)
4. Victor Emmanuel II (1849–1878)
5. Umberto I (1878–1900)
6. Victor Emmanuel III (1900–1946)
7. Umberto II (1946)

The eighth king could be Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia (born 13 October 1967), or one of his descendants. Prince Aimone is the second child and first son of Prince Amedeo, 5th Duke of Aosta, one of the two claimants to the former throne of Italy. In 2006, his father declared himself Duke of Savoy and head of the House of Savoy; since then Prince Aimone has styled himself Duke of Aosta. However, because the headship of the royal house is disputed between his father and Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, he is still referred to as Duke of Apulia.

Prince Aimone and Princess Olga have three children, two sons and one daughter:

* Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta, born on 7 March 2009 in Neuilly-sur-Seine, France. On 9 March 2009, Prince Umberto was granted the title Prince of Piedmont by his paternal grandfather.


*Prince Amedeo Michele of Savoy-Aosta, born on 24 May 2011 in Neuilly-sur-Seine, France. A day after his birth Amedeo was granted the title Duke of the Abruzzi by his paternal grandfather.

*Princess Isabella Vita Marina of Savoy-Aosta, named in honor of Princess Isabelle of Orléans, born on 14 December 2012 in Paris, France.

On 7 July 2006 Aimone’s father, Prince Amedeo, assumed the headship of the House of Savoy and the title Duke of Savoy, claiming that his cousin Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, had lost his dynastic rights when he married without the legally required permission of King Umberto II in 1971. Since then Aimone has used the title Duke of Aosta.

Whoever the antichrist ends up being, the way we will know is whenever he “opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God,” whenever he kills the two witnesses, and whenever big tech makes an image (statue, wax figure, AI robot, etc.) to him. That’s the only way we’ll really know.

I believe the abomination of desolation was the construction of the Dome of the Rock.

Dome of the Rock (AD 688) + 1,260 years (Dan. 12:7) = Israeli Declaration of Independence (AD 1948)

Dome of the Rock - Wikipedia
Israeli Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia

The Battle of the Granicus in May 334 BC was the first of three major battles fought between Alexander the Great and the Persian Empire. Daniel 8 is all about the clashing of the Greek and the Medo-Persian Empires.

Battle of the Granicus (–334 BC) + 2,300 years (Dan. 8:14) = Six-Day War (AD 1967)



Battle of the Granicus - Wikipedia
Six-Day War - Wikipedia


Dome of the Rock (AD 688) + 1,290 years (Dan. 12:11) = Camp David Accords (AD 1978)



Camp David Accords - Wikipedia


Dome of the Rock (AD 688) + 1,335 years (Dan. 12:12) = ??? (AD 2023)

Here are a few more articles about digital currencies:



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Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Alphabet, and Microsoft Are Collectively Worth More Than the Entire Economy of the United Kingdom

How the World Wide Web was nearly called The Information Mesh

United Nations pledges to get everyone online… by 2030

Free broadband: internet access is now a human right, no matter who pays the bills

https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/11/1052241

Head of Libra Association: Libra project may be useful for UN - The Cryptocurrency Post

Alan Greenspan says there's 'no point' for central banks to issue digital currency

Fed's Harker: Digital central bank currency 'inevitable'

Israel passes law to limit cash deals to fight economic crimes

Congress Flirts With Digital Dollar; Crypto’s Hiring Boom

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Why Is Germany Eliminating Paper Money?

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Pandemic pushes central bank digital currencies into top gear

Well, you certainly have a lot of detail but no chart.

I suggest you reconsider the Antichrist concept. "the" Christ concept is to be the King of Israel descended from David, to lead Israel and the world into the messianic era of peace and safety. Mark 15:32 Christ the King of Israel.

Thus the Antichrist is someone who will be for a short while be anointed the King of Israel (by the false prophet - acting on the behalf of Satan) - instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

So the person has to be a Jew. i.e. his mother will be a Jew, the standard by which Judaism considers someone to be a Jew.

I agree though that the person has to be from the Roman Empire people as well. I view his lineage as including being from Julio-Claudian bloodline.

The roles the person goes through are....

the little horn (King of the Roman Empire end times) > the prince who shall come

> the Antichrist (King of Israel) > the revealed man of sin > the beast (King of

the Roman Empire end times, dictator)

 

[mkgal1]

But God is not the prince who shall come. We have to nail down who that prince who shall come is in relation to Jerusalem Israel.

In Daniel 8:9 referring to the little horn....

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Jesus and the Messianic prophecies never mentioned that He (Christ Jesus) would come again?

 

[Douggg]

Jesus and the Messianic prophecies never mentioned that He (Christ Jesus) would come again?

Jesus is not coming from the territory of one of the former breakup kingdoms of Alexander. From north and west of the middle east and Israel.

Jesus will be coming in the clouds of heaven descending to earth, with his armies of heaven.

The prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26 is the little horn person.

 

[mkgal1]

I am connecting Daniel 8:9 to the prince who shall come - who is not the messiah, or at least not the true messiah.

In Daniel 8:9 the little horn person comes into the middle east and Israel from the north west.

The little horn is a separate vision (from what I understand).....and definitely a separate entity than in Daniel 9.

The term "Son of Man" in Daniel's prophecy is critical. I believe the Bible Project does an excellent job of conveying the metanarrative of God's redemptive story that runs from Genesis to Revelation. This video is less than 6 minutes long, and I believe it expresses the story in a far greater way than only words can do:

 

[TribulationSigns]

Jesus is not coming from the territory of one of the former breakup kingdoms of Alexander.

Of course not. This is really silly!

Jesus will be coming in the clouds of heaven descending to earth, with his armies of heaven.

Yes at the Second Coming, but...

The prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26 is the little horn person.

False. Daniel 9:26 is not talking about the Second Coming, right? This is talking about the FIRST coming of Christ. You need to read Daniel 9 in context!

Daniel 9:24-27 KJV
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The context of Daniel 9:24-27 is about God and His People with Jesus Christ being their Messiah the Prince. So this does not gives you any idea that you can change the "prince" to a third part such as Titus or someone like that despite what context clearly says.

Verse 26 talked about Jesus Christ as the prince at the Cross with Jews being His people who came against Him and had him cut off. The Jews destroyed the city and the sanctuary referred to the end to Old Testament Congregation as a kingdom representative then Christ confirmed a covenant with New Testament Congregation. The no-Gap theory here. Nothing God talked about the "little Horn" or "beast" here! Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

The little horn is a separate vision (from what I understand).....and definitely a separate entity than in Daniel 9.

The little horn is an entity? Have you even check with Scripture on God's definition of the horn in Scripture, even the Lamb has seven horns.

Revelation 5:6 KJV
[6] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Does the Lamb have seven entities? Think again.

Therefore, what does the little horn signifies?

 

[Douggg]

False. Daniel 9:26 is not talking about the Second Coming, right? This is talking about the FIRST coming of Christ. You need to read Daniel 9 in context!

The prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26 is associated with the Second Coming.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26 is associated with the Second Coming.

Ohhh Dougggggg. You got the wrong prince! Can't you read who the prince is IN CONTEXT?

 

[Douggg]

Ohhh Dougggggg. You got the wrong prince! Can't you read who the prince is IN CONTEXT?

The prince who shall come must be after the destruction of the temple and city in 70 AD.

The bringing in of everlasting righteousness is when Jesus Returns at the end of the 7 year 70 weeks that just precedes His return.

 

[mkgal1]

Jesus is not coming from the territory of one of the former breakup kingdoms of Alexander. From north and west of the middle east and Israel.

This is confusing two separate visions.

The prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26 is the little horn person.

Based on what? The word "coming"?

The prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26 is associated with the Second Coming.

I can agree with this.....the trouble is the confusion that differing eschalogical beliefs has caused in what that actually translates to.

Jesus and His disciples spoke a lot of His "coming" again.....correct? Wasn't it typically associated with judgment.....Day of the Lord....Day of Vengeance?

 

[Douggg]

Based on what? The word "coming"?

Based on the text in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 about the little horn person. He stops the daily sacrifice in both Daniel 9 and Daniel 8. He is associated with abominations that causes the temple to desolate from worship of the One True God.

I can agree with this.....the trouble is the confusion that differing eschalogical beliefs has caused in what that actually translates to.

Jesus and His disciples spoke a lot of His "coming" again.....correct? Wasn't it typically associated with judgment.....Day of the Lord....Day of Vengeance?

When Jesus Returns, following His judgment on the wicked, men will beat their swords into plowshares, and will learn war no more. Is that the condition of the world right now?

 

[TribulationSigns]

The prince who shall come must be after the destruction of the temple and city in 70 AD.

YOu do not make any sense! You are really confused with Daniel 9:24-27. You simply forced the word "prince" to be someone else than Messiah the Prince in context to fit your warped doctrine.

The bringing in of everlasting righteousness is when Jesus Returns as the end of the 7 year 70 weeks that just precedes His return.

Are you kidding me, right?

Daniel 9:24 KJV
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1. Who are these, "Thy People?"
2. How is it determined to "finish (restrain) the transgression?"
3. What is the, "make an end" (sealing up) of Sins?
4. What is the, "making reconciliation" for iniquity?
5. How is this "Everlasting Righteousness" brought in?
6. Why is it determined to "Seal up the vision and the prophet?"
7. What is the "Anointing of the Most Holy?"

Verse 24 of Daniel chapter 9 also says the 70 weeks were determined, "to bring in everlasting righteousness." This is the effect of the work of Christ. At the Cross, not the Second Coming! You need to read Scripture carefully!

When the sins are sealed up, and the reconciliation is made for iniquity, then everlasting righteousness is the result. For example, there is no chance those sins are going to be un-sealed or are going to return, for they were sealed in Christ who became sin for us, that we might be righteous in Him. He died with Israel's sins laid upon Him, and when He was risen, it was\ without them. Thus His people Israel were raised with Him, in righteousness. And that righteousness that Christ brought to them is eternal, because in Him they sin no more. This prophesied Messiah has made an end of it, making them righteous.

2nd Corinthians 5:20-21

• "..we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled in Christ.
• For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the Righteousness of God in Him."

Hello?! The Messiah of Israel brought in everlasting righteousness, and made reconciliation for iniquity, just as prophesied. And Because He has paid for ALL of their sins, His righteousness becomes their Righteousness. Right here at the Cross! He made this possible for His people to make righteousness during the Church age. Not at Second Coming! They are effectively clothed in the righteousness of Christ, and that righteousness brings everlasting Life (2nd cor. 9:9-10).

John 6:40

• "..that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life:.."

This is the everlasting righteousness that was prophesied to be brought in during these 70 weeks of Daniel 9, when an end is made of sin, and reconciliation occurred. No one has any righteousness of their own (there is none righteous, no not one -Romans 3:10), but they are made the righteousness of Christ by the power of His work. Christ ushered in the everlasting righteousness Daniel refers to, and Israel attains that righteousness by their faith in Him as Messiah. It did not occur at Second Coming as you thought.

Again your doctrine has been refuted BY SCRIPTURE!

 

[Douggg]

Verse 24 of Daniel chapter 9 also says the 70 weeks were determined, "to bring in everlasting righteousness." This is the effect of the work of Christ. At the Cross, not the Second Coming! You need to read Scripture carefully!

The condition of the world at present could hardly be evident of everlasting rightouesness.

The Kingdom of heaven brought to earth as the Kingdom of God, at Jesus's return, when he will rule the nations with a rod of iron is when everlasting righteousness will be brought in.

 

[WhoIsLikeGod?]

That is ridiculous:

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, during Satan's
"Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by
the "harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or
"Mountains".


These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of
Daniel's four Kingdoms. They include one head/king
from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion), another
head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four heads/kings from Daniel's (3rd) Christian
Kingdom (Leopard) and the last head/king is from Daniel's
(4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ
("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"), for a total of seven
"Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John
saw the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood
Kingdom and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom
were both "fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) of the
heads/kings from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also
"fallen"... for a total of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last
remaining head/king of the New Testament Kingdom had not
yet "fallen" because the last head/king in the (3rd) Christian
Kingdom was also the author of the Book of Revelation, the
Apostle John.


Now you have the BIBLICAL TEACHING of the Seven Heads.
Revelation 17 is essentially a New Testament commentary on
Daniel's four Kingdoms/Beasts. Your "interpretation" is proven
wrong because (1) I have shown you the TRUTH above and
(2) the Bible PROMISED the truth of Daniel's prophecies would
remain "closed-up" and "sealed" to all previous Saints until the
Last Saints [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and YOUR interpretation
has been around for about 1500 years... so it could not
possibly be true - since it was developed while the TRUTH
remained "closed-up" and "sealed".

Now, please RESPOND to this post and do not run away and
hide (as so many on this forum do when corrected from the
Bible). Thank you.


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You're right about one thing; the seven heads are seven mountains. They are the seven hills of Rome:

• Aventine Hill
  
• Caelian Hill
  
• Capitoline Hill
  
• Esquiline Hill
  
• Palatine Hill
  
• Quirinal Hill
  
• Viminal Hill

There are seven hills surrounding Rome, and the seven heads are Italian kings. Babylon the great is also Rome (Rev. 17:18).

Five kings have fallen because the one that was important was Victor Emmanuel III (the sixth king). He reigned from 1900 to 1946 through two world wars. He was wounded by an Austrian grenade and was hospitalized (Rev. 13:3). The other that had not yet come; and when he came, he remained a little while was Umberto II (reigned 34 days).

The shaggy goat in Daniel 8 represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king (Alexander the Great). The broken horn and the four horns that arose in its place represent four kingdoms which will arise from his nation, although not with his power (Ptolemy, Seleucus, Pergamum, Macedon). The rather small horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Beautiful Land was Antiochus IV Epiphanes (Dan. 8:9).

The four heads of the third beast of Daniel 7 (Hellenistic Greece) are these same four (Ptolemy, Seleucus, Pergamum, Macedon) kingdoms that arose because Alexander the Great's only heir died when he was 14.

Wars of the Diadochi - Wikipedia

If the third beast represents some Christian kingdom then what do the leopard's four heads (kings) represent? Also, the Antediluvian Period was not located specifically in Rome where the seven mountains are; neither were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Neither is your so-called Great Tribulation Kingdom, which is quickly becoming a cashless society. Under your interpretation of scripture, the seven mountains have no meaning.

 

[TribulationSigns]

When Jesus Returns, following His judgment on the wicked, men will beat their swords into plowshares, and will learn war no more. Is that the condition of the world right now?

This has NOTHING to do with "world peace" or "condition of the world we are in."

Sorry, you are really misunderstood to mean a future event with have to do anything with physical swords into plowshares and physical spears into pruninghooks. Partly because we live in an "instant gratification" society that can't see the forest for the trees.

But the "context" is the last days (which is the whole New Testament period according to scripture) and the establishment of God's kingdom (which was at the time of the cross), and the cessation of warfare (which is also of Christ, the Prince of Peace). The problem (as I see it) is that people like YOU, continually err in trying to look at prophecy as a physical/literal narrative. Worldly wars to cease, earthly kingdoms and thrones, physical lands, it is usually always the same error. A lack of understanding that scripture interprets scripture and that God speaks in symbolism.

Isaiah 2:1-4

• "The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
• And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
• And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
• And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

I believe that these passages speak not of universal peace on earth in the future, nor in heaven at Christ's second coming, but to the prophecies of Christ's first advent. The "last days" are the whole New Testament period, the new dispensation of Christ's Kingdom.

So what about Beat their swords into Plowshares & Spears into Pruninghooks

God prophesies here that the law, the word of God, shall go out from the Holy City, and would judge the nations that these people would change their implements of war into implements of peace. A sword is an instrument used for war, and the plowshare is a type of hoe used for digging, and is an instrument for farming in agriculture.

1st Corinthians 3:7-9

• "So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
• Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
• For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building."

God is equating the people of His kingdom to those with plowshares who plant for the Lord. Just as the Kingdom of God is likened unto a sower who plants seed that it brings forth fruit. This signifies the kingdom of God going forth to the world, as plantings that are cared for and nourished that they might grow. In like manner, a spear is an instrument of war, while a pruninghook is an instrument used for plants. It is a knife-like instrument for pruning plants that they might grow better. Again, this signifying that these people will turn from being at war with God, to being spiritual husbandmen (farmers) working in His garden to care for the fruit of the field. Beating their swords into plowshares means they will abstain from warfare against God and exercise Godly charity (Agape) in well-doing to others.

Nothing to do with Second Coming, but the First Coming with the establishment of the church, God's New Testament Congregation of Israel who went forth to the ends of the world with Gospel! This is the planting with us with plowshare and pruninghooks! Spiritually speaking! This is speaking about PEACE with the Prince of Peace, not PEACE in the world! Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

You're right about one thing; the seven heads are seven mountains. They are the seven hills of Rome:

• Aventine Hill
  
• Caelian Hill
  
• Capitoline Hill
  
• Esquiline Hill
  
• Palatine Hill
  
• Quirinal Hill
  
• Viminal Hill

There are seven hills surrounding Rome, and the seven heads are Italian kings. Babylon the great is also Rome (Rev. 17:18).

That is incorrect. Nothing to do with physical hills or mountains in Rome. And no Babylon the Great is not Rome, America, Iraq, etc. but the unfaithful congregation of Israel.

Revelation 17:9-10

• " And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth.
• And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

The beast signifies the antichrist kingdom that Satan powers, which of course is made upon men. Symbolized as a beast because it is beastly, carnal, animalistic as being without reason or sanity. And his seven heads signify the "completeness" of his authority throughout time. The number 7 signifies completeness or totality. As in the 7 Spirits of God. It signifies the beginning and end, the completeness. That's also why Revelation 17:10 says five of these heads were already fallen when Revelation was written. The one that was (6th), was Satan's head or authority present at the time John wrote, and the 7th that was to come would only continue a short period of time (the little season) is the last rule. That's why God says that the 8th was actually included as part of the seven. Because 7 is the completeness.

Revelation 17:10

• "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

The ten kings are part of this final rule in power that will desolate the harlot (unfaithful Church) when Satan loosed for a little season. It's all different ways of saying the same thing. The time of great apostasy, great tribulation and abomination which will last a short space or little season, prior to Christ's return.

 

[Douggg]

This has NOTHING to do with "world peace" or "condition of the world we are in."

We are not living in a world that can be evident of everlasting rightousness brought in. It will be a different world after Jesus returns - do you agree with that?

 

[Douggg]

The little horn is a separate vision (from what I understand).....and definitely a separate entity than in Daniel 9.

The term "Son of Man" in Daniel's prophecy is critical.

We are really not arguing over Jesus being "the Son of Man" are we? At least I am not.

 

[mkgal1]

Based on the text in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 about the little horn person. He stops the daily sacrifice in both Daniel 9 and Daniel 8. He is associated with abominations that causes the temple to desolate from worship of the One True God.

The temple was destroyed more than one time. I need to do some studying, but from what I recall, Daniel 7 and 8 are describing the destruction of the first temple.

Does this timeline help? "That the World May Know | Temple Events" Temple Events

 

[mkgal1]

You wanted illustrations, @Douggg - here is one that Johnathan Welton created. Maybe this is a better place to begin? Daniel 2.