I want to believe but...

[LoricaLady]

What doesn't make sense, without deep research, is not what should guide our spiritual lives. For example, have you seriously looked into the Flood? The planet is glutted with countless billions of fossils, and 98% of them are marine. For example in Grand Canyon we see billions of just one type of nautiloid alone there. A nautiloid is an ocean dwelling animal. Now how did those sea creatures get there - and all over the planet at every level?

You can Google and look at things like trilobites on mountain tops. Trilobites are extinct marine life forms. They and other creatures like them litter the highest places (also the lowest) in the world.
PICTURES OF MARINE LIFE FOSSILS ON MOUNTAIN TOPS - Google Search:

There are whale fossils found in the Sahara and in the Andes mountains. Things like giant shark fossils and dino fossils are found together. The fossils are "awash". There is no Geologic Column. Or if you think there is try to find close up photos of one showing the so called Cambrian fossils at the lowest level, and ascending levels matching the GC we see in pictures.

If you will check out answersingenesis regarding the Flood, there you will see mathematics, statistics and paleontology supporting the account of Noah and the Ark. You are selling the Lord totally short by saying that He couldn't provide that large sea creature for Jonah, or couldn't get those animals to Noah. Where did this universe come from? You don't have a clue, right? Well, there is no evidence for any natural cause, so it has to be from a supernatural cause. I guess someone who made this universe could make a donkey that talks, a virgin woman to give birth, and ditto all the miracles in the Bible.

Just because it "doesn't make sense" to someone's finite mind, that doesn't mean He can't or didn't, do what He said He did.

You are operating on "Doesn't make sense to me"' instead of on research into your issues, much less on faith. If you truly want to hear HIS side, pray for guidance and light. It will take you time to see the real facts. Are you willing? Rhetorical Q.

And yes, tithing is in the New Testament. Messiah told the Pharisees that they tithed even their little plants, and that they should have done so. However, he also berated them for then neglecting "weightier matters" like mercy and justice

Why would we not want to support the Word, with our financial resources, which is the hope of all humankind?

You don't believe that two people populated the earth. Yet you don't believe in the pseudo science religion of evolution. I wonder where you think people came from? It only takes two to get any species multiplyng. Start out with two rabbits and, if not stopped, they would over run the planet. Again, the universe is here. It has no known natural cause. What is more difficult, to create a universe, or a man and a woman?

Don't sell the Almighty short. Again, pray and ask Him for light. The supporting facts are out there for those who seek them diligently. But without faith, they are not that worthwhile.

As for continuing to go to Church, you aren't told to do that in the Bible anyway. Look at the 4th Commandment. It says nothing about going to Church, or even to a Synagogue. Churches can provide some great fellowship and help needy people in many wonderful ways. Sometimes.

We are told to fellowship, though we are never told that the fellowship has to be in what we call a Church today

Church, in the Bible, never meant a big building with a cross on top where you go to worship on Sundays. That word is a translation from Ekklesia. Ekklesia means "the called out ones", i.e. the body of believers. It has zip to do with any denomination or heirarchy or governing power structure of any kind.

You can have "Church" in your own home, or someone else's.

Also, you say you "believe in Christ." Why? Because of what you read in the Bible? In the Bible He makes it very clear that He supports all of the Old Testament and spoke of Adam and Eve and Noah and the Flood and Jonah as real, historical. Shall we believe Him, or those who don't believe Him and follow "the prince of this world" also called "the father of lies"?

You say you believe Messiah rose from the dead. Uh, isn't that a major miracle? Doncha think that someone being raised from the dead after 3 days and 3 nights is at least as miraculous as the other miracles mentioned in the Bible? Which would you rather have to do, raise a man from the dead after 3 days and 3 nights, or make a donkey talk, for instance?

 

[chrisRDBA]

What doesn't make sense, without deep research, is not what should guide our spiritual lives. For example, have you seriously looked into the Flood? The planet is glutted with countless billions of fossils, and 98% of them are marine. For example in Grand Canyon we see billions of just one type of nautiloid alone there. A nautiloid is an ocean dwelling animal. Now how did those sea creatures get there - and all over the planet at every level?

You can Google and look at things like trilobites on mountain tops. Trilobites are extinct marine life forms. They and other creatures like them litter the highest places (also the lowest) in the world.
PICTURES OF MARINE LIFE FOSSILS ON MOUNTAIN TOPS - Google Search:

There are whale fossils found in the Sahara and in the Andes mountains. Things like giant shark fossils and dino fossils are found together. The fossils are "awash". There is no Geologic Column. Or if you think there is try to find close up photos of one showing the so called Cambrian fossils at the lowest level, and ascending levels matching the GC we see in pictures.

If you will check out answersingenesis regarding the Flood, there you will see mathematics, statistics and paleontology supporting the account of Noah and the Ark. You are selling the Lord totally short by saying that He couldn't provide that large sea creature for Jonah, or couldn't get those animals to Noah. Where did this universe come from? You don't have a clue, right? Well, there is no evidence for any natural cause, so it has to be from a supernatural cause. I guess someone who made this universe could make a donkey that talks, a virgin woman to give birth, and ditto all the miracles in the Bible.

Just because it "doesn't make sense" to someone's finite mind, that doesn't mean He can't or didn't, do what He said He did.

You are operating on "Doesn't make sense to me"' instead of on research into your issues, much less on faith. If you truly want to hear HIS side, pray for guidance and light. It will take you time to see the real facts. Are you willing? Rhetorical Q.

And yes, tithing is in the New Testament. Messiah told the Pharisees that they tithed even their little plants, and that they should have done so. However, he also berated them for then neglecting "weightier matters" like mercy and justice

Why would we not want to support the Word, with our financial resources, which is the hope of all humankind?

You don't believe that two people populated the earth. Yet you don't believe in the pseudo science religion of evolution. I wonder where you think people came from? It only takes two to get any species multiplyng. Start out with two rabbits and, if not stopped, they would over run the planet. Again, the universe is here. It has no known natural cause. What is more difficult, to create a universe, or a man and a woman?

Don't sell the Almighty short. Again, pray and ask Him for light. The supporting facts are out there for those who seek them diligently. But without faith, they are not that worthwhile.

As for continuing to go to Church, you aren't told to do that in the Bible anyway. Look at the 4th Commandment. It says nothing about going to Church, or even to a Synagogue. Churches can provide some great fellowship and help needy people in many wonderful ways. Sometimes.

We are told to fellowship, though we are never told that the fellowship has to be in what we call a Church today

Church, in the Bible, never meant a big building with a cross on top where you go to worship on Sundays. That word is a translation from Ekklesia. Ekklesia means "the called out ones", i.e. the body of believers. It has zip to do with any denomination or heirarchy or governing power structure of any kind.

You can have "Church" in your own home, or someone else's.

Also, you say you "believe in Christ." Why? Because of what you read in the Bible? In the Bible He makes it very clear that He supports all of the Old Testament and spoke of Adam and Eve and Noah and the Flood and Jonah as real, historical. Shall we believe Him, or those who don't believe Him and follow "the prince of this world" also called "the father of lies"?

You say you believe Messiah rose from the dead. Uh, isn't that a major miracle? Doncha think that someone being raised from the dead after 3 days and 3 nights is at least as miraculous as the other miracles mentioned in the Bible? Which would you rather have to do, raise a man from the dead after 3 days and 3 nights, or make a donkey talk, for instance?

As mentioned previously I have no desire to debate anything with anyone, but this response has prompted me to clarify a few things .....

To be clear, yes raising Jesus from the dead would be a major miracle -- but I've done enough research on that to believe it. It's not that I don't believe God could create a fish big enough to swallow/ hold a man for 3 days, I never made such a claim. I indeed believe He could, but that doesn't mean He did.

No, I don't believe in Christ because of the bible. I believe in Him because I've done enough research outside of the bible to believe it.

I haven't looked at anserGenesis until just now, but will. My initial thought with the Grand Canyon previously being under water is OK, but that proves NOTHING about Noahs Ark or the bible. My apprehension to the Noah deal is that animals and people getting off the boat would be welcomed by a planet that had just been under water too long for anything to survive -- meaning no food or water for any of them. And what then, kangaroos hopped back to Australia, and penguins waddled back to Antarctica? Again I'll check out the site you've provided as I want to believe more than I do, and maybe it will provide some answers, thanks.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Greetings.

Let me start by saying I have no interest in debating anyone on anything. If our ideas don't match, just know that I'm totally open to mine changing -- in fact that's why I'm posting this.

That said, here's the deal... I believe in Christ. I believe He was the son of God, died for my sins, and rose again.

It hasn't always been that way though. I had to do a ton of research on my own to really believe that stuff. Since I've been convinced I've been really comfortable with it, and have never looked back.

However, there's still plenty I don't believe in...

1. Adam and Eve... no, I don't believe that two people populated the entire earth. This is NOT to say I believe in evolution as I don't, there are plenty of holes in that idea as well, but that doesn't make this any more credible.
2. Noahs Ark... no, I don't believe that two of each animal traveled from opposite ends of the earth to hop on a big boat, and then went back home when all was said and done.
3. That a man was in the belly of a big fish for 3 days, then barfed back out. Really? Seriously?
4. Tithing. I know this one is super controversial, but I've read the New Testament, and it's not in there. When someone references the Old Testament on this topic, I wonder if they've also had their oldest child stoned to death at the gate of the city for being disrespectful. I mean, why cherry pick only the parts of the OT that are convenient?

I don't expect all of these to be answered here -- I was more using them as a foundation for this question:

How can I continue to attend church when there's so many things I simply don't buy? I love Jesus, but it's really tough attending week after week when I just want to call BS all the time. I've been attending and praying for God to open my mind/ heart for years now, it's not changing what I don't believe in though.

I know many are of the "If the Bible says it, it must be true" camp. Trust me, I'd love to be there and not have this inner turmoil, but I'm simply not.

What to do? Thanks!

Hi chrisRDBA,

I'm in a similar boat to the one you're in and the simple act of going to church is and has been problematic for me for various reasons over the years, with some of those reasons reflecting the same four concerns you've expressed here. For me, the way in which I attempt to resolve this quandry is by realizing that on several points of Christian theology, none of us really sees it all nor understands it all on some trans-human level that enables any of us to have a 'final say' about the nature and meaning of any one Christian Doctrine.

Through this realization, I then find that I can extend some feeling of fellowship to fellow Christians who may not see things exactly the way I do; instead, I take a more generalized approach to the Christian faith while still retaining the basic traditional doctrines, leaving space (lots of space) for further philosophical and theological exploration. While I do that, I just assume I'll encounter a range of diverse opinions among my fellow Christians, but that range will still have limits. And in doing so, I open myself up to being amenable to various traditions of the Christian faith: I can attend just about any Trinitarian Church that tries to extol a somewhat charitable attitude among all its congregants while remaining orthodox in manner.

Of course, this might mean you'll have to find a different Trinitarian church to attend than the one you've been going to ...

 

[aiki]

Greetings.

Let me start by saying I have no interest in debating anyone on anything. If our ideas don't match, just know that I'm totally open to mine changing -- in fact that's why I'm posting this.

That said, here's the deal... I believe in Christ. I believe He was the son of God, died for my sins, and rose again.

It hasn't always been that way though. I had to do a ton of research on my own to really believe that stuff. Since I've been convinced I've been really comfortable with it, and have never looked back.

What sort of belief are you speaking of here? Is it only intellectual? Or does your belief in Christ shape your living?

However, there's still plenty I don't believe in...

1. Adam and Eve... no, I don't believe that two people populated the entire earth. This is NOT to say I believe in evolution as I don't, there are plenty of holes in that idea as well, but that doesn't make this any more credible.

What's the problem, exactly, with thinking that the human race began with Adam and Eve, as the Genesis account said it did?

Noahs Ark... no, I don't believe that two of each animal traveled from opposite ends of the earth to hop on a big boat, and then went back home when all was said and done.

Is this what Scripture actually says, though? Or is what you've written here something of a caricature of the actual story?

That a man was in the belly of a big fish for 3 days, then barfed back out. Really? Seriously?

Why is this hard to swallow (pun intended) in light of God creating the universe out of nothing? Surely, if you can accept a miracle of such cosmic scale, an enormous fish swallowing and regurgitating a man should not challenge your credulity.

Tithing. I know this one is super controversial, but I've read the New Testament, and it's not in there. When someone references the Old Testament on this topic, I wonder if they've also had their oldest child stoned to death at the gate of the city for being disrespectful. I mean, why cherry pick only the parts of the OT that are convenient?

Why, indeed? Legalists/Judaizers abounded in the Early Church and they persist in it today. Just ignore them.

How can I continue to attend church when there's so many things I simply don't buy? I love Jesus, but it's really tough attending week after week when I just want to call BS all the time. I've been attending and praying for God to open my mind/ heart for years now, it's not changing what I don't believe in though.

If you think the teaching at your church is mistaken, challenge it - respectfully, graciously, but firmly. You may learn something and so may those you challenge.

I know many are of the "If the Bible says it, it must be true" camp. Trust me, I'd love to be there and not have this inner turmoil, but I'm simply not.

Well, if the Bible is the word of God, it IS true. But that truth is not always as evident as some would like to make it out to be. The Bible is not all one sort of literature; it is not all written in the same time or cultural context; it is not all prescriptive for, or pertaining directly to, the modern Christian believer. But the word of God is, nonetheless, true.

It would be worth your while to check out these websites:

www.crossexamined.org
www.reasonablefaith.org
www.str.org

 

[LoricaLady]

As mentioned previously I have no desire to debate anything with anyone, but this response has prompted me to clarify a few things .....

To be clear, yes raising Jesus from the dead would be a major miracle -- but I've done enough research on that to believe it. It's not that I don't believe God could create a fish big enough to swallow/ hold a man for 3 days, I never made such a claim. I indeed believe He could, but that doesn't mean He did.

No, I don't believe in Christ because of the bible. I believe in Him because I've done enough research outside of the bible to believe it.

I haven't looked at anserGenesis until just now, but will. My initial thought with the Grand Canyon previously being under water is OK, but that proves NOTHING about Noahs Ark or the bible. My apprehension to the Noah deal is that animals and people getting off the boat would be welcomed by a planet that had just been under water too long for anything to survive -- meaning no food or water for any of them. And what then, kangaroos hopped back to Australia, and penguins waddled back to Antarctica? Again I'll check out the site you've provided as I want to believe more than I do, and maybe it will provide some answers, thanks.

See you are starting with a lot of assumptions and then coming to conclusions based on those assumptions. A major world wide flood, with for example an mega mega mega outburst of water from a crack at the Mid Atlantic Ridge, where, as the Bible says, every mountain was covered with water, would not leave the same topography on the planet. There wasn't any Australia before the Flood. Everything was changed dramatically. The Bible seems to indicate that there was originally just one land mass, for example.

Based on your assumptions, you picture animals traveling far from one end of the globe to another to be with Noah. Although marsupials are found around the globe, Kangaroos apparently got isolated on Australia at one time. You really don't know what the distribution of animals was before the Flood. You ASSUME - with no data - that animals were isolated and separated as they are now into different regions. All your thought processes are based on your limited experiences where you do not even consider that things could have been drastically different in the ancient past.

Things were drastically different before the Flood catastrophe. For example there seems to have been a tropical climate everywhere. Palm tree and fruit tree fossils have been found in what are now ice encased regions near the poles. Rhinos used to be as big as houses at times. Dragon flies could have 6 foot wing spans. Gigantism was not uncommon, and no way just seen in dinos - though they did get the biggest. Samples from fossilized amber show much more oxygen in the air than now. Etc. etc. That's just the kind of stuff we do know about, and of course there is incredibly more that we don't know about.

So, talking about things not making sense - it does not make sense to say "Well, I've never seen such and such in my world so nothing could have been that different back then."

No, billions of marine fossils in the middle of our continent - really all over our continent and all continents everywhere, not just in the Grand Canyon - don't prove Noah and the Ark. They SUPPORT the story that there was a catastrophic, world wide, Flood. They are part of the data that helps someone to get the full picture.

I don't go to Church. Another assumption on your part. You are presenting me as someone who has been indoctrinated by a Church, while you present yourself as being open minded and informed. Nothing in the Bible says to go to Church, though if people want to go they can and many times that has led to blessings of all kinds --not always though.

Your "reasonable faith" link really should be called "Politically correct doubt about the Word from people who either haven't done deep research, or are covertly against the Word anyway."

I am not going to argue with you. You can go by what the world says and what makes sense to your finite understanding or you can go by what the Lord says, Who was there. Not that your questions can't be answered, but that you need to not just start out with one assumption after another, most especially the assumption that you know better than what Scriptures tell us.

If you only believe in Messiah because of your research, to me that is very concerning. You have to have had a personal encounter with Him and have to have agreed to let Him be Your Lord. As the Bible says "Even the demons believe, and tremble.'

Only the Holy Spirit can open the eyes of our understanding, especially to the obvious. I leave you to decide what you want to do about Him. Bye!

 

[LoricaLady]

P.S. answersingenesis can be a bit tricky to navigate and glean all their information from - mostly because they have such a glut of it.

Here is a vid by a molecular geneticist which addresses many of the issues regarding the scientific feasibility and authenticity of the Flood.

 

[chrisRDBA]

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I am not going to argue with you. .......

Yeah, I can tell.

I do appreciate your input, but there's a reason these things are tough to discuss on public forums, and this post has nailed it. I'm not going to reply to each question specifically as I suspect it will simply lead to more questions and this seems to be going in the direction I was hoping to avoid, but will indeed check out that web site. Thanks!

 

[LoricaLady]

Yeah, I can tell.

I do appreciate your input, but there's a reason these things are tough to discuss on public forums, and this post has nailed it. I'm not going to reply to each question specifically as I suspect it will simply lead to more questions and this seems to be going in the direction I was hoping to avoid, but will indeed check out that web site. Thanks!

Good for you that you look outside the box. That has been evident from the time you said you do not believe in evolution. Answersingenesis is by no means the only source for defending Genesis, but they are a wonderful start. Of course, the best source for information is always the Holy Spirit. "You need that no man should teach you, but the Holy Spirit will teach you."

How much we have all have missed by listening to this misleading source and that misleading source because we did not earnestly pray for His guidance first.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I've thought about this since I read it. I've heard this more than once and it frustrates me to say the least.

If parts of it are meant to be literal, and others aren't, doesnt that leave the whole thing open to interpretation by man? Isn't it possible none of it's real based on this idea?

Thanks.

One word of academic advice: you'll do yourself a favor by seeing human interpretation not as something that is utterly amorphous and relative but as a human act that can be evaluated on a continuum between "bad, overly simplistic" and "good, constantly subjected to the processes of the Hermeneutic Circle."

 

[NBB]

I think believing in Jesus, and having a relationship with him, is enough to be a christian, and you can leave those other topics 'hanging in the air' until *if* you know better that it doesn't makes you a worse christian. Worse is thinking like some do that they have all the answers and 'know' better.
Personally i believe what is written in the bible, because if God is true and Jesus is true, i mean i know 100% they exist, i have proof for myself, so what a bit more things in the bible can't be true too? i don't know.

 

[AvisG]

How can I continue to attend church when there's so many things I simply don't buy? I love Jesus, but it's really tough attending week after week when I just want to call BS all the time. I've been attending and praying for God to open my mind/ heart for years now, it's not changing what I don't believe in though.

You can't, really. If you try, you will be pretending to believe things you don't really believe and living in a constant of inner turmoil and cognitive dissonance. I stopped attending church years ago for precisely this reason. I've been diligent enough with my study, research and prayer over a period of many years to know what I am capable of believing and what I am not. Your examples are the sorts of things that Bible literalists believe, or at least pretend to believe because they think it somehow pleases God. You have come to a site - effectively an Internet church - with a statement of faith not unlike those of the churches where you are having trouble fitting in. You can scarcely expect anything other than churchy advice to "try harder to believe." Instead of praying to God for "faith" to believe things you will never believe, try thanking him for the discernment to distinguish between the essentials and the non-essentials you are constitutionally incapable of believing..

 

[NBB]

You can't, really. If you try, you will be pretending to believe things you don't really believe and living in a constant of inner turmoil and cognitive dissonance. I stopped attending church years ago for precisely this reason. I've been diligent enough with my study, research and prayer over a period of many years to know what I am capable of believing and what I am not. Your examples are pious nonsense that people pretend to believe because they think it somehow pleases God. You have come to a site - effectively an Internet church - with a statement of faith that endorses the very sorts of things that trouble you. You can scarcely expect anything other than churchy input. Instead of praying to God for "faith" to believe things you will never believe, try thanking him for the discernment to distinguish between the essentials and the pious nonsense.

I guess you can enjoy fellowship and that God is more present when brothers are together, and just don't 'buy' in other disagreeing topics and it should be ok, those things have nothing to do with being a son of God, or your salvation.

 

[LoricaLady]

I guess you can enjoy fellowship and that God is more present when brothers are together, and just don't 'buy' in other disagreeing topics and it should be ok, those things have nothing to do with being a son of God, or your salvation.

Many people, though, have been led away from the truths of the Bible because of misinfo and disinfo that is part of our secular world. That was true for me for many years. A famous example would be Richard Dawkins who said he became an atheist when he came to believe in evolution. All of the Bible is there to be a blessing for us. All of it.

 

[NBB]

Many people, though, have been led away from the truths of the Bible because of misinfo and disinfo that is part of our secular world. That was true for me for many years. A famous example would be Richard Dawkins who said he became an atheist when he came to believe in evolution. All of the Bible is there to be a blessing for us. All of it.

Just grab Jesus as strong as you can are you are good to go, all this stuff is not that important, it's more important the doctrine you hold unto than all this, you have also people who believes earth is flat because trying to read everything literally, i also don't believe in a young earth because the days of genesis can be a lot time actually and not literally days, there is lots of evidence that the world is old, but i don't believe in evolution, i think God made us just like he thought we would be and not a centimeter away from that.
So about the things i'm not 100% sure about i try to not take hard stances on them.

But i believe what the bible says.

 

[LoricaLady]

Just grab Jesus as strong as you can are you are good to go, all this stuff is not that important, it's more important the doctrine you hold unto than all this, you have also people who believes earth is flat because trying to read everything literally, i also don't believe in a young earth because the days of genesis can be a lot time actually and not literally days, there is lots of evidence that the world is old, but i don't believe in evolution, i think God made us just like he thought we would be and not a centimeter away from that.
So about the things i'm not 100% sure about i try to not take hard stances on them.

But i believe what the bible says.

You say you believe the Bible, but you don't seem to be concerned if other people believe it all or not and seem to be saying about some of its contents "all this stuff is not that important." ALL of the Bible is "that important." We are told to be prepared to give a reason for our faith.

Who am I going to take the most seriously, someone who says "all this stuff is not that important" or the Bible, which is "God breathed"? He didn't waste His time on any of it. He didn't waste His breath.

 

[NBB]

You say you believe the Bible, but you don't seem to be concerned if other people believe it all or not and seem to be saying about some of its contents "all this stuff is not that important." ALL of the Bible is "that important." We are told to be prepared to give a reason for our faith.

Who am I going to take the most seriously, someone who says "all this stuff is not that important" or the Bible, which is "God breathed"? He didn't waste His time on any of it. He didn't waste His breath.

Yes i believe in the bible, and would recommend others to believe it.
But i care more about doctrine being correct, rather if the flood happened or not, actually thinking sin is sin things like that, having the correct thought about God, believing in the flood etc or not, is not going to save you or condemn you.

 

[LoricaLady]

P.S. There is no way that the days of Genesis could have been long periods of time. First, an analysis of the Hebrew language, and the understanding of ancient Hebrew shows that the word "day" or "yom" means 24 hours. 2nd so the Lord rested on the 7th day means for "a lot of time" like millions or billions of years?

You are buying into secular "science." Have you looked outside the box to see why people believe in a young earth? One "index" for ancient ages is based on the usual theories and assumptions presented as gawd's truth facts. For example we are told the cosmos is old based on light years. The assumption? That light has always traveled at the same speed. Secular scientists have said that light is slowing down and used to be phenomally faster in the past. We are told in the Bible, several times, that God "stretched out the Heavens." This would include the light from stars, giving what could be a false impression of ancient age. Guess what? Science has discovered that space, as in outer space, is "stretchy."

Evidence for a Young Earth

There are countless people who have laughed at the Bible, and turned away from it, because they thought Noah and the Ark was a stupid myth - so how could you trust the Bible at all. That was how I used to feel.

 

[NBB]

P.S. There is no way that the days of Genesis could have been long periods of time. First, an analysis of the Hebrew language, and the understanding of ancient Hebrew shows that the word "day" or "yom" means 24 hours. 2nd so the Lord rested on the 7th day means for "a lot of time" like millions or billions of years?

You are buying into secular "science." Have you looked outside the box to see why people believe in a young earth? One "index" for ancient ages is based on the usual theories and assumptions presented as gawd's truth facts. For example we are told the cosmos is old based on light years. The assumption? That light has always traveled at the same speed. Secular scientists have said that light is slowing down and used to be phenomally faster in the past. We are told in the Bible, several times, that God "stretched out the Heavens." This would include the light from stars, giving what could be a false impression of ancient age. Guess what? Science has discovered that space, as in outer space, is "stretchy."

Evidence for a Young Earth

There are countless people who have laughed at the Bible, and turned away from it, because they thought Noah and the Ark was a stupid myth - so how could you trust the Bible at all. That was how I used to feel.

I have a hard time believing earth is 6000 years old or something like that, if that were true God would have to 'cheat' to make the earth look old when its not. I don't know if you believe in flat earth but if you do that is crazy thing to believe for me, there are actual videos from space and not everyone is conspiring against us to hide the truth like they say.

 

[LoricaLady]

I have a hard time believing earth is 6000 years old or something like that, if that were true God would have to 'cheat' to make the earth look old when its not. I don't know if you believe in flat earth but if you do that is crazy thing to believe for me, there are actual videos from space and not everyone is conspiring against us to hide the truth like they say.

I do not believe in a flat earth. I have never met a Christian who does. I believe that is just a fake "Christian" story spread around by atheists to mock Christians.

You think there is an appearance of ancient age on the earth. If you actually had to sit down and give data to support that you would not be able to do so in even one sentence, probably. You are just operating on "faith" based on things you have heard from secular science. In the video link I gave above, the presenter shows how the stories about "old ages" of rocks and so on have been totally belied by the volcanic eruption at Mount St. Helens. You can look up what the woman says or not.

I will give you just one example. The Grand Canyon, or so we are told, took countless millions of years to form. But a canyon 1/40th of its size was formed in about 9 days after the volcanic eruption at Mt. St. Helens. Again, you heard something. You believed it. You did not look outside the box to see if there was any contradictory evidence. That is how people get sucked into pseudo science constantly - and that has certainly included me in the past.

Watch the vid. See the truth. The Father wants you to respect, and believe, ALL of His Word. "He is not a man that He should lie."

 

[coffee4u]

Yes i believe in the bible, and would recommend others to believe it.
But i care more about doctrine being correct, rather if the flood happened or not, actually thinking sin is sin things like that, having the correct thought about God, believing in the flood etc or not, is not going to save you or condemn you.

Genesis is the first book and is often referred to as the foundation of the Christian world view because a lot of doctrine goes back to it. Where do you think original sin came from? When Adam says Eve is the mother of all the living and Paul says that sin came to all men from Adam it is telling us we are all one people. This is why the Gospel is for everyone. It gives no excuse for people to say this group isn't worthy. So if you are concerned about doctrine such as why we cover our body with clothes, why marriage was one man to one woman, why we are all born with original sin its back to genesis.