I think im done with god.

Sometimes God says, "No." Sometimes God says "Yes."

And sometimes God says, "Not yet."

"And the man spoke and said, 'Who are you? How do you know all of these things? How are you capable of loving like that?' And the other replied, 'I am who I am, I am a Christian, and I am a Symbol of God's Love for You, and for everyone else. As for my Love, I was made to Love. And once I fully realized that, and Gave in to God, I became Love. A product of God's love. And as for how I know things, I know these things, Men know some things, Women know some things, but I know these things.' But the man asked again, 'How?' and the other replied, 'Because I'm willing to Love, and because I'm willing to Know. I don't Fear love, or being rejected for anything, by anyone, and I don't Fear Knowing, even if that means Knowing something that I might be afraid of, and don't want to know. I love because He first loved me. I Love simply because I want to, with all I am. Even if it means losing myself all over again. I know because I have Faith, and that Faith is not believing that He can do something, it's knowing that He Will.'"

This is God's word through me, For You, and For the Purpose of You knowing that GOD is sincere, and that he is also sincere through me.

If you were to ask me those questions, or if you were to think about asking me those questions, know this, The "man" is anyone who asks, and the "Other" is me.

Though if you were to ask me, I would probably simplify and say, "I am Coleton Bryce Ritmanich, I am a Christian, and I am a Symbol of God's Almighty, Gracious, Loving Love."

The thing is, Faith is when you have utmost belief that God is real and He will help you. I understand what you're going through; I also lost my little brother, and my sisters were close to being diagnosed with Autism. You should not pray to Him and expecting Him to speak to you. Many Christians such as myself had never spoken to God before. Life will get us down sometimes, some more than others. But those who persist to the very end, and follow God, will be saved. I pray that you will return to your Faith, and that God will show mercy towards you, and help comfort and guide you in your times of struggle and need. Amen.

CrystalDragon said:

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic elementary and high school, know more about the Bible than probably most of my family members, and was an altar server when I was a kid.

Why is it that as soon as someone earnestly doubts (whether due to inconsistencies they find in the Bible regarding doctrine, or God's character, or suffering, experiences of others, similarities with other cultures, etc.) they're suspected of being "not saved"?

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Why are you making this about yourself and not addressing the OP and her issues right now? You can start a thread somewhere for yourself, but why derail this thread when it is CHRISTIAN ADVICE.

It's not about you right now. It's about someone else.

I'm sorry I misunderstood you.

Coleton Bryce Ritmanich said:

I bind and rebuke those words in Jesus' Name. Jesus said that you have to ask to receive. If we don't pray, then we cannot call ourselves Christians, for a Christian is a "Little Christ." and Christ Prayed to his Father the Almighty God.

If we do not pray in asking something, we will never have it. And therefore are waiting on something that will never happen, which is Pointless and rooted in Foolishness.

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That wasn't what they were saying.

They weren't saying not to pray, but to pray and trust God even if there seems to be no obvious answer from Him at the time.

FoundInGrace said:

That wasn't what they were saying.

They weren't saying not to pray, but to pray and trust God even if there seems to be no obvious answer from Him at the time.

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I know I apologized. I'm just a man, and without God I am nothing, I let satan confuse me for a split second.

Every other message was from God. I let myself get ahead of God. I apologize.

I think God let that happen for a reason, though. I'm going to ask for God's forgiveness, and for him to restore me.

You know, this actually proves I'm just a person, and that without God I am nothing.

Coleton Bryce Ritmanich said:

I know I apologized. I'm just a man, and without God I am nothing, I let satan confuse me for a split second.

Every other message was from God. I let myself get ahead of God. I apologize.

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That's ok, dont worry about it. I get heaps of stuff wrong all the time it's really easy to misread posts.
Just an observation .. and I dunno but saying something we say is of God is a lot of pressure to put on oneself.

Coleton Bryce Ritmanich said:

I'm sorry I misunderstood you.

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I'm sorry if I offended anyone and sounded ignorant. I'm not very good with words. I agree with what you said, but the point that I was trying to make was that we shouldn't pray to God expecting Him to appear or speak to us. We have to have faith and confidence that when we pray, God will handle our problems, even if nothing happens immediately afterward.

Isn't it why, though? We shouldn't put our trust in anyone other in God. It's true that I love writing, and that it's my one talent that I can use to serve God. But get this, before I joined this site, and it's awesome community, I've had writer's block. I couldn't think of anything to write at all. But After I joined the site, that changed, I had Ideas flowing rapidly through my mind, Paragraphs worth, that I know that I could never have even thought of on my own.

Up till now, it was God's word through me. I've always loved writing, but I was never really good at it, and Now suddenly I'm writing somewhat inspirational paragraphs and original statements.

You haven't offended anyone, and I'm sorry for making you feel that way. I guess it is true, that God Almighty takes what the devil meant to hurt us, and brings Glory out of it.

Honestly, I came here for the community, to make friends, that would last me a lifetime. I can't Fellowship with Non Christians, I've already known where that leads.

So I am truly sorry. It's good that we're brothers and sisters in Christ. Because that makes us family. And no matter what, Family is always there for us.

Far Side Of the Moon said:

My friend snapping did it for me. Its like God never wants to see me happy, I've been lonely all my life...I'm just like if you can't find it in your heart to give me a friend to keep me company ...could you yourself at least talk to me.

I've asked for years to hear God speak to me or feel his presence...something! And I got nothing...

Nothing. I asked , I tried..and still nothing.

I try to do the right thing, with my aunt at her church...but I just got treated badly for it... Even when we moved out of the hotels my mom got in a freaking car accident...

And my only friend who I loved so much descended into madness, 3 years...gone just like that. ( Why let my friend descend into madness? Why couldn't he be blessed with a sound mind like alot of people? Why? I tried to make friends with a girl at work and she hasn't t3xted back,...so its like I can't have anything )

Why does God just pick on some people?

Why is God so jealous he can't stand to see me genuinely happy..with or without him... I tried to get close but he does nothing...so its like I can't have anything... Not HIM, not friends, not a job...nothing...

What's the point? And I hear about my other f4lends and how well they're doing ..one is going to make 1000 a week.. And she's younger than me... ..

And I'm just like am I just here as Gods special punching bag? When he gets mad...its time to mess with me?

I'm over it....

I don't think I can love a god like this.
I'm so close to telling God go f**** yourself.,.

Bc I never did anything to Him except try to be close and I won't try anymore...I'm not ...I'm done.

I mean what's the point so I can reach out and God can be silent some more? I think I've learned my lesson.

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God is not silent. You have his word in your hands. If you want friends, what better than brothers & sisters in Christ? If that is not available. Start a club where other lonely christians can join and make friends? Is your life really that bad? Do you not have a roof over your head, and clothes on your back? Do you not have allot that you can thanked God for?

Fhaoipteh said:

I disagree with your statement that God brings pain and suffering. The world and it's people bring us pain and suffering. God is pure love and does not want us to be unhappy. Pain and suffering is a part of every life, but God's love can help us cope with it, through His loving family, the church.

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Happiness isn't the greatest virture in all life's many situations, neither is happiness always for our ultimate good. As scripture is clear, God works all things together for good for those who love him and are called according to his purpose.

God scourges, disciplines, and rebukes Christians, like a loving father does his son. This principal is found in Proverbs 3 and repreated in Hebrews 12.

Judicious use of suffering as a corrective has been understood throughout time by all hominids as prudent for correction and social cohesion. The Church is a society, although not of this world, but thoroughly in this world. The church is not a childish, libertine playground of cheap thrills.

Far Side Of the Moon said:

I mean what's the point so I can reach out and God can be silent some more? I think I've learned my lesson.

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God is always very busy with you, even though you don't know it. When any of us is feeling like God is not communicating with us, it can be He is resisting us because of pride > James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5.

And during what seems silent, God can be preparing what is special and good for us, and we need to be quiet . . . not silent. God is quiet, not silent. He is gentle and kind. And we can find Him in quietness of His love >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

So, when God seems silent, it can be good to be quiet and prayerful and learn to stay deeply quiet in His peace . . . so we can be ready to be the right way about how He has good planned for us. But we need to be about pleasing Him, not only about pleasing ourselves.

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Right. Thank you, people who've heard God speak and move on their lives time and time again can't possibly understand the loneliness I feel.

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I offer you what I know from experience > loneliness and boredom are horrible and scary. But they are a trick to make quietness seem like a horrible place, so we do not dare to quiet down and share with God and learn how to stay with Him in His peace. Loneliness is a very cruel and dirty trick to make you feel that being quiet is away from God.

But we enjoy quietness in God's love; God's love makes us more and more immune to fear and torments of fear > 1 John 4:18. And there are other mean and nasty unquiet and anti-quiet things which God's love protects us from, including unforgiveness and frustration and nasty anger and dominating emotional stuff of lusts which drive us to seek pleasure in order to feel relief but without enjoying God and loving one another. So, do not trust what those nasty evil things would have you concluding.

Far Side Of the Moon said:

I feel the same because I refuse to believe in a god that's all powerful and just watches people, get hurt and go crazy. Why make someone that can't enjoy a quality life who's mind will only deteriorate? Why?

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Any of us humans on our own will deteriorate. We let things and people have power over us, and we let evil decide how we are and how we see things. And with this we get weaker and can break down. So, it is not wise to allow evil and failure to decide what we do and how we see things. God is the solution; so it is a big-time trick to settle for less, no matter how disappointing it is to see people go down.

Jesus went through really bad stuff, and He had hope for us, while He was on the cross. If someone is broken, there is still hope for the person. In this life, there will always be evil which is meant to be an excuse for you to not have hope. But God's love makes us so we grow in hope for any person, at all > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7). So, be glad if people are doing well.

So, I need to not look down on anyone who is having a problem. And in sharing with you I can learn to be more compassionate; so thank you for sharing such personal things with us

CrystalDragon said:

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic elementary and high school, know more about the Bible than probably most of my family members, and was an altar server when I was a kid.

Why is it that as soon as someone earnestly doubts (whether due to inconsistencies they find in the Bible regarding doctrine, or God's character, or suffering, experiences of others, similarities with other cultures, etc.) they're suspected of being "not saved"?

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i just want to keep you in the clear brother. i have read passages that have seemed contradictory too. God is not the most simple thing to understand. lets be humbled by that and ask for wisdom. sometimes i find that a passage can only be understood if you have faith in who God is characterized to be (holy, righteous, loving, just, wrathful) keeping all things in mind can transform the message because God is not the problem, we are and we live in a fallen world which is not just sinning but sinning against God and because he loves us he sent down his son to give us a chance to redeem ourselfs.

Yet again I let the devil get to me. I think it's because I'm putting Me first.

I learned a long time ago, "Put God first, Put others second, and put yourself last."

Far Side. This is about you, I'm sorry about making things about me.

I did mean every word I wrote, even if God wasn't behind it, my Heart was. I meant every word.

If you can find it in your heart to forgive me, then I will be very happy.

If have read all my posts, know that I meant every post, and that my offer still stands, and I still want your answer to that question.

I believe that all we need is Jesus Christ, but sometimes you feel that God is silent, and he's not listening, and that he doesn't care. But he does.

Like a teacher, God is always Silent during the test. We are all going to have trials, and pains, and sorrows, and Heartaches, and Hardships.

But it's not just you, we're all human, we can't be expected to do more than we are capable of. But God never gives us more than we can handle.

Sometimes we're not supposed to handle things by ourselves, we need others. Other Christians, people who have their own problems, that they feel they can't overcome on their own.

But it's not just between you and God, sometimes God wants to put people in front of us, and answer our prayers through them.

I just want you to know that God does love you. That's my only purpose and reason for existence, to Love. To Love God, and To Love others.

Do you know what's funny? I came up with that on my own. It's from my own heart.

If I can Say, and Believe, and Mean all of these things on my own. Image what we could do If we all worked together, and If God was our driving force.

We would truly be, Unstoppable.

If God is for us, who can possible be against us.

I hope you forgive me. God Loves us, and He Loves you, and He wants us to Love each other.

We're all only human. We all have problems to each our own. But with God's Help and Love. And us remembering God also answer prayers through other too.

We can truly be Happy.

He's not gonna let you go Farside, no matter what you say and feel, He's gonna pursue you without measure. He's your 1st Love and He's gonna fill your voids. But you can be sure, the Lord will passionately come after you. Much love sweety and God bless.

Far Side Of the Moon said:

My friend snapping did it for me. Its like God never wants to see me happy, I've been lonely all my life...I'm just like if you can't find it in your heart to give me a friend to keep me company ...could you yourself at least talk to me.

I've asked for years to hear God speak to me or feel his presence...something! And I got nothing...

Nothing. I asked , I tried..and still nothing.

I try to do the right thing, with my aunt at her church...but I just got treated badly for it... Even when we moved out of the hotels my mom got in a freaking car accident...

And my only friend who I loved so much descended into madness, 3 years...gone just like that. ( Why let my friend descend into madness? Why couldn't he be blessed with a sound mind like alot of people? Why? I tried to make friends with a girl at work and she hasn't t3xted back,...so its like I can't have anything )

Why does God just pick on some people?

Why is God so jealous he can't stand to see me genuinely happy..with or without him... I tried to get close but he does nothing...so its like I can't have anything... Not HIM, not friends, not a job...nothing...

What's the point? And I hear about my other f4lends and how well they're doing ..one is going to make 1000 a week.. And she's younger than me... ..

And I'm just like am I just here as Gods special punching bag? When he gets mad...its time to mess with me?

I'm over it....

I don't think I can love a god like this.
I'm so close to telling God go f**** yourself.,.

Bc I never did anything to Him except try to be close and I won't try anymore...I'm not ...I'm done.

I mean what's the point so I can reach out and God can be silent some more? I think I've learned my lesson.

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When we finally come to the end of ourselves, then the real journey begins. You will be fine. He's not done with you yet. There will come a day, when you look back on this, and understand it fully. I remember a woman I met that was a Christian for over 30 years, and she told me that she had never heard the voice of The Lord in all that time. After a few prayer meetings and talks, she came into work all excited one day. She ran up to me telling me that she had heard His voice, but that she could not tell me what He said. You see, there is a season for all things under the sun. I also remember a woman who was a christian for many years, who had a flat tire on her way home from work. She got out of her car and kicked that flat tire,and in her anger she shook her fist up toward the sky and said, God, why did you let this happen to me? This busy road is not safe. Why could you not let me make into that developement over there, where it is safe to pull over? Just as she was done shaking her fist, a car pulled up behind her car, which just happened to be her Dad, who knew his daughters car. Had she made it into that developement, her dad would never had seen her. The shaking of the fist, in this true story, reminds me of your post and how you felt while writing it. But just as The Lord knew what that woman needed He also knows what you need as well. Whatever He puts His hand to, He always works it out for good. Even though we can not see it, or understand it, we only need to believe it.

Far Side Of the Moon said:

I feel the same because I refuse to believe in a god that's all powerful and just watches people, get hurt and go crazy. Why make someone that can't enjoy a quality life who's mind will only deteriorate? Why?
I remember watching a lisaling episode about faith healing...and this man that was in a wheel chair( he had 2 accidents starting when he was 18 and it paralyzed him and he stays in a wheelchair) god told him he would heal him...but when they tried to heal him..they couldn't...and it was the saddest thing I saw. Why couldn't god heal him and make him walk like he promised him? Did he not have enough faith?

And it doesn't make me happy that it wasn't me, because no one knows what life holds it could be me... Down the line .... Its just like wow.

I just wonder how God decides in his mind to heal some and not others, do for some and not others...

Playing favorites is so wrong on so many levels I don't care if you're God or notD.

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Dear One,
I pray you find healing. I have been in deep despair. I have lost family members to death and others to circumstance to the point that I was literally alone. I ended up in a foreign country with absolutely no one. I was angry at God. He took my parents, my family...I was so very alone.

Jonah was angry with God. Naaman was angry with God. But God still performed miracles in their lives. I am not promising miracles. But I do know that God can restore and heal.

While I was alone, I would not go to church (i don't know that there were any). I wouldn't really read the Bible. I did listen to some Christian music. I believe there is a strong reason David played for Saul. "Whenever the spirit from God came on Saul, David would take up his lyre and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him." 1 Samuel 16:23

I eventually came back to my home and got very active in church. My life is still plateaus and very very lows. I just know that I gave up for a long time. God did not give up on me. He met me where I was and He will meet you too.

We do not have to have the faith of Job or his near perfection. I didn't, Jonah didn't, Naaman didn't. God wants just one twinkle.

Mark 9
23“ ‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”

24Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help my unbelief!”

Nathan98 said:

The thing is, Faith is when you have utmost belief that God is real and He will help you. I understand what you're going through; I also lost my little brother, and my sisters were close to being diagnosed with Autism. You should not pray to Him and expecting Him to speak to you. Many Christians such as myself had never spoken to God before. Life will get us down sometimes, some more than others. But those who persist to the very end, and follow God, will be saved. I pray that you will return to your Faith, and that God will show mercy towards you, and help comfort and guide you in your times of struggle and need. Amen.

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Nathan 98, Thank you for such an honest and faithful testimony. Some may take you to task because you wrote, "those who persist to the very end . . . will be saved." Their objection may be that "persist' means works, or that "will be saved" ignores that salvation is in the present tense also. However, just refer them to Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13.

Having faith is not always easy. We associate faith with belief. I am not sure I fully understand faith from either an emotional or a philosophical position. For this reason I have substituted trust for faith and it sounds a lot like what you describe as faith.

For me, the decision to trust, without allowing any qualifications, overrides all unbelief and doubt. I cannot permit unbelief or doubt if I am to trust completely in God. There have been several posts on this thread about doubting - some critical, some truthful, and some as a means to grow. I understand doubt. Everyone should note that believers are different and their tolerance for doubt varies with everything from their psychology to their spiritual expectations. Doubtful thoughts are not the same for all believers.

So, when you write, "Christians such as myself had never spoken to God," do you mean that it is God who has not responded in a way you hear Him in some sensual way? I rejoice this has not filled you with such doubt that your faith has suffered. The posts by one member on this thread claims to write only what is heard from God and is acting as an intermediary between God and Far Side of the Moon. I know several people who make such claims. Such claims make me think that their brains cannot distinguish between what they wish or think and how the Holy Ghost is actually leading or illuminating. Because they usually know aspects of the Bible very well their ideas may seem spiritual.

I post the above so you might understand how very much I appreciate and value your sound response.