i think i figured it out

[TeddyKGB]

So? What did you want Him to do? Give them a Periodic Chart? They wouldn't have understood it anyway. Do you have to show a Periodic Chart to a class if you're explaining to them how the physical universe is going to end?

Didn't you say the Bible folks were at least as intelligent as - and possibly more than - us moderns?

Unclear to whom? When the time comes, Jesus is going to relax His hold on the Strong Nuclear Force, and the protons are going to fly apart --- described in the Bible as "melting".

LOL WAT

Remember this: the Scriptures describe scientific facts in the language of the observer, as well as in seed form, and are meant to be understood by children, as well as adults.

RLY because 7-year-olds are totally down with metaphors and parables and stuff.

Can you picture going into a Sunday School classroom for little children and seeing a Periodic Chart on the wall?

Scientific accuracy O NOES!

 

[Chalnoth]

It's amazing how people who would believe in Julius Cesaer and Alexander the Great, suddenly find it so hard to believe Jesus existed.

There's ample historical evidence for their existence. There is no historical evidence for Jesus' existence.

 

[Logic_Fault]

• [bible]Hebrews 11:3[/bible]
• [bible]2 Peter 3:10-12[/bible]

Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem to explain anything about the elements. In fact, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the elements other than the word "elements" being present in two sentences.

EDIT: I see you've already explained this, though not very well if I do say so.

 

[Logic_Fault]

However it is interesting to note that the Jewish/Christian God was so different to the others, who were really just bigger versions of the people who made them up and gave them fancy titles and powers.

Different how? He seemed to share all the qualities and attributes of humans, just like the Gods of other cultures. He's simply a single entity rather than a pantheon.

It's amazing how people who would believe in Julius Cesaer and Alexander the Great, suddenly find it so hard to believe Jesus existed.

There is no evidence Jesus existed as described in the Bible. If you believe otherwise then show evidence.

Facts have often been proved wrong and are often changed in light of new evidence.

Yes, I know. That's how science works. However, I would have used the word "modified" rather than "changed."

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem to explain anything about the elements. In fact, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the elements other than the word "elements" being present in two sentences.

EDIT: I see you've already explained this, though not very well if I do say so.

Sorry you can't see it.

 

[Logic_Fault]

Sorry you can't see it.

Sorry you can't explain it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess if one can "connect the dots" and come up with whales, bulls, serpents, bears, etc. in the sky, you can do the same here. You can quote scripture to support any conjecture you want to.

Those whales, bulls, serpents, bears, etc. were put in the sky on purpose. Adam named the animals, but God named the stars.

Do you know why the Sun went dark from noon to 3:00 on the day Jesus was crucified?

 

[Split Rock]

Those whales, bulls, serpents, bears, etc. were put in the sky on purpose. Adam named the animals, but God named the stars.

Do you know why the Sun went dark from noon to 3:00 on the day Jesus was crucified?

Let me guess... because New Jerusalem will be sheathed in gold?

 

[Chalnoth]

Those whales, bulls, serpents, bears, etc. were put in the sky on purpose. Adam named the animals, but God named the stars.

This isn't remotely possible. Pretty much every culture has found entirely different patterns in the stars.

 

[AV1611VET]

This isn't remotely possible. Pretty much every culture has found entirely different patterns in the stars.

Not hardly --- every major civilization recognizes the same constellation, with the exception of the Chinese, who use a totally different way of organizing the stars.

 

[Skaloop]

Do you know why the Sun went dark from noon to 3:00 on the day Jesus was crucified?

Until it can be shown what (if anything) the sun did out of the ordinary at that time during that specific event, there's no point in discussing the why it might have done so.

 

[AV1611VET]

Until it can be shown what (if anything) the sun did out of the ordinary at that time during that specific event, there's no point in discussing the why it might have done so.

That's rhetoric for "I don't want to talk about it", right?

 

[sodapop112]

lol is there any other proof of that? any other civilizations that noticed suddenly it went dark?

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Not hardly --- every major civilization recognizes the same constellation, with the exception of the Chinese, who use a totally different way of organizing the stars.

where can i read the evidence for this unusual idea?

 

[Logic_Fault]

Those whales, bulls, serpents, bears, etc. were put in the sky on purpose.

Which would be?

Adam named the animals, but God named the stars.

Really? Where in the Bible does it name stars, or even show an understanding of what a star actually is? Hint: They are not pinpoints of light hung on the firmament.

Do you know why the Sun went dark from noon to 3:00 on the day Jesus was crucified?

Oh, good. Now we know the precise date and time of the crucifixion. I seem to have misplaced my history book with this information. When exactly was that again? Surely something this phenomenal was recorded by every civilization on the planet.

 

[Logic_Fault]

Not hardly --- every major civilization recognizes the same constellation,

So you say.

with the exception of the Chinese, who use a totally different way of organizing the stars.

Which sort of disproves your claim above, doesn't it?

EDIT: Yes, I realize that this is sort of a nit pick, but I found it amusing.

 

[Skaloop]

That's rhetoric for "I don't want to talk about it", right?

Actually, I've never heard that claim before, about the sun being darkened during the crucifixion, and am quite interested in hearing where such a miraculous claim comes from and what it might be meant to indicate. Like anything else, I would like some extra-Biblical citations, but for now, just the basic info would be great.

 

[Split Rock]

Not hardly --- every major civilization recognizes the same constellation, with the exception of the Chinese, who use a totally different way of organizing the stars.

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation)

"The grouping of stars into constellations is essentially arbitrary, and different cultures have had different constellations, although a few of the more obvious ones tend to recur frequently, e.g., Orion and Scorpius"

European cultures got their constellations from the Greeks, which is why they share the same constellations.

"Our current list is based on those listed by Claudius Ptolemy, Greek-speaking mathematician, geographer, astronomer, and astrologer who lived in the Hellenistic culture of Roman Egypt. He may have been a Hellenized Egyptian, but he was probably of Greek ancestry, although no description of his family background or physical appearance exists, though it is likely he was born in Egypt, probably in or near Alexandria.

In more recent times this list has been added to in order to fill gaps between Ptolemy's patterns. The Greeks considered the sky as including both constellations and dim spaces between. But Renaissance star catalogs by Johann Bayer and John Flamsteed required every star to be in a constellation, and the number of visible stars in a constellation to be manageably small.

The constellations around the South Pole were not observable by the Greeks. Twelve were created by Dutch navigators Pieter Dirkszoon Keyser and Frederick de Houtman in the sixteenth century and first cataloged by Johann Bayer. Several more were created by Nicolas Louis de Lacaille in his posthumous Coelum Australe Stelliferum, published in 1763."

 

[djbcrawford]

Different how? He seemed to share all the qualities and attributes of humans, just like the Gods of other cultures. He's simply a single entity rather than a pantheon.

While there are many differences, the simplest is He described Himself as the great I AM. While just 2 simple words, they express an eternal being that exists before and after time. How long did it take human minds to come up with I think, therefore I am. No statues or images needed or allowed, just laws to live by. Much more logical than the other gods of the time who spent their time feasting and squabbling among themselves, turning into animals and running around sleeping with woman. Instead, a God who cares about humankind and wants to do what's best for them.

There is no evidence Jesus existed as described in the Bible. If you believe otherwise then show evidence.

Your original comment doubted his existance at all, it's good to see you have now conceded he did exist, just "not as described in the bible". What would you consider evidence? Eye witness testamony? Documents talking about him? Letters explaining his teachings? People willing to die for him?

Yes, I know. That's how science works. However, I would have used the word "modified" rather than "changed."

I'm happy with changed. So science (which is based on interpretation of observations) can modify itself without criticism, but religion (which is based on interpretations of scripture) isn't allowed to? Doesn't seem fair...

 

[lynn18]

A long time ago when people didn't understand things they made up gods (such as the Norse god Thor) to explain things. Thor explained how thunder worked. he didn't actually explain it, but nearly all Norse people belived in him. When Jesus was alive people still didn't understand many things. So he and other people created your god to explain it. Now scientists are figuring out things, slowly disproving intelligent design. One day they might figure out how life started, hopefully resolving christians ignorance of the facts once and for all.

sodapop112 Is this what you believe or
do you have some evidence of this?

sodapop112 Do you accept Human’s belief in god is a result of evolution and has an evolutionary reason?