i think i figured it out

[LavenderLeaves]

A long time ago when people didn't understand things they made up gods (such as the Norse god Thor) to explain things. Thor explained how thunder worked. he didn't actually explain it, but nearly all Norse people belived in him. When Jesus was alive people still didn't understand many things. So he and other people created your god to explain it. Now scientists are figuring out things, slowly disproving intelligent design. One day they might figure out how life started, hopefully resolving christians ignorance of the facts once and for all.

I find this post fairly amusing. First off, as soon as you said, 'one day', you've already exemplified yourself in the state of 'hoping'. And as a real atheist would proclaim, such ideologies such as hope, faith, and love are just emotions scientifically triggered by brain waves and stored emotions revitalizing itself at the state of current situation when given. And then you state an offense to christians calling them ignorant, when you yourself cannot state your opinion on neutral grounds with respect. Sounds to me that your the ignorant one. please do not opinionate yourself so matter of facterly without defending your beliefs in atheism. and by that i mean all atheist. instead of trying to see from a christian viewpoint without any knowledge whatsoever but with your anologies, try and speak from your pointview, and atheist's viewpoint for once. funny, i've never seen it done before.

usually atheist tend to slam on whoever they have a chance too. its like what Ravi Zacharias once said,

"you give an atheist christian doctrine,
and they don't know what to do with it
but slam it.

you give an atheist eggs,
and they don't know what to do with it,
but slam it."

well, maybe you should try cooking your eggs. afterall, as atheist claim of being so intellectual brilliant to the sate of psychology, sciences, and socio-relations, im sure you would also know how to cook your eggs?

 

[AV1611VET]

And I think we've all had enough of your 'Look at me, I can speak British, tally-ho, pip-pip' antics. I find it offensive, and, frankly, you look like an ignorant child, not to mention that you've completely derailed the thread.

Oh, bother! --- er --- I mean --- Oh, brother!

 

[Morcova]

Are you always this friendly?

No sometimes I am must downright rude.

 

[Morcova]

You people are right friendly to talk to, aren't you?

Here's my original remark, from Post 79: Please show me where I said British and English are two different languages.

Originally Posted by AV1611VET
To maim and kill, yes. I made a pledge in 1972 to give my life for this country if I had to; and thanks to those who have made that pledge in the past, I'm not speaking German right now (or British).

Right there.

 

[Morcova]

instead of trying to see from a christian viewpoint without any knowledge whatsoever but with your anologies,

Speaking of ignorance.... most atheist I know were christian.

We understand your point of view very well thank you.

 

[Baggins]

I find this post fairly amusing. First off, as soon as you said, 'one day', you've already exemplified yourself in the state of 'hoping'. And as a real atheist would proclaim, such ideologies such as hope, faith, and love are just emotions scientifically triggered by brain waves and stored emotions revitalizing itself at the state of current situation when given. And then you state an offense to christians calling them ignorant, when you yourself cannot state your opinion on neutral grounds with respect. Sounds to me that your the ignorant one. please do not opinionate yourself so matter of facterly without defending your beliefs in atheism. and by that i mean all atheist. instead of trying to see from a christian viewpoint without any knowledge whatsoever but with your anologies, try and speak from your pointview, and atheist's viewpoint for once. funny, i've never seen it done before.

usually atheist tend to slam on whoever they have a chance too. its like what Ravi Zacharias once said,

"you give an atheist christian doctrine,
and they don't know what to do with it
but slam it.

you give an atheist eggs,
and they don't know what to do with it,
but slam it."

well, maybe you should try cooking your eggs. afterall, as atheist claim of being so intellectual brilliant to the sate of psychology, sciences, and socio-relations, im sure you would also know how to cook your eggs?

I have immense difficulty trying to decipher what you are getting at because your written English is so poor, but are you trying to suggest that atheists shouldn't feel emotions like hope for the future?

If so, why do you belive this to be so, atheism is only a disbelief in all gods. You yourself are atheist toward all the gods there have ever been bar your own,

It is only one short step from there to not believing in your god either.

 

[Schroeder]

A long time ago when people didn't understand things they made up gods (such as the Norse god Thor) to explain things. Thor explained how thunder worked. he didn't actually explain it, but nearly all Norse people belived in him. When Jesus was alive people still didn't understand many things. So he and other people created your god to explain it. Now scientists are figuring out things, slowly disproving intelligent design. One day they might figure out how life started, hopefully resolving christians ignorance of the facts once and for all.

i hope you are not this stupid. maybe people are rebelling against the truth because they are selfish and made up the theory. So people dont understand God so they make up things. dont mean to call you stupid but you seriously didnt think this one through.

 

[sodapop112]

"I hope you are not this stupid. maybe people are rebelling against the truth because they are selfish and made up the theory. So people dont understand God so they make up things. dont mean to call you stupid but you seriously didnt think this one through."

no, people don't understand things so they make up god

 

[Abongil]

Whya re you bashing atheists?

 

[Lincoln0010]

I would call it a desire to understand the workings of nature in the hopes that such understanding might lead to some form of control. That's what the classic representation of the volcano gods were all about. Once people determined that a god caused the volcano to errupt, the next step was to try to appease the god to reduce the potential for erruption. This offered them the security of believing they had managed some level of control over the devastation which resulted from erruptions. The same goes for gods attributed to storms, droughts, earthquakes, range fires and tsunamis.

But while the assumption of gods have always failed to provide the desired level of control, science has offered demonstrable mechanisms behind natural disasters and provides a level of warning, if not actual control over them. But it's unlikely science will ever defeat death and every man will eventually die. The result is the Christian God, (and many other gods), which are said to promise ever-lasting life. Problem solved. The only drawback is that there is no reason to find this explanation and resolution to be any more appropriate or effective than tossing a virgin into a volcano to avoid an erruption.

I was trying give young sodapop112 here a biblical perspective on the OP, if that is alright with you? This is a Christian website, after all; you can't really expect to get away without hearing about God at least a little.

Have you read the Bible, Beastt? Specifically I was thinking of some of Paul's writings in the letter to the Romans:
"...For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen." (Romans 2:20-25, NIV)

 

[Wiccan_Child]

instead of trying to speak from a point of view that isn't christian why not try defending your beliefs in wiccan and sciences of this world if you've knowledge enough because by the way your impending your answers your also providing an alternative that theres something else other than the messiah, care to explain?

There is no need to claim that the Christian messiah is in control of the Strong Nuclear Force. It is purely the result of quark-gluon interaction. It is possible that Jesus controls the strength of this force, but, since such an entity is unnecessary, this violates Occams Razor, and so is unscientific.

care to articulate all facotrals scientific findings to prove the physical creation of earth a million years ago until now?

The Earth was not physically created 1,000,000 years ago. It was created approximately 4.5 billion years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html#howold
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html
[SIZE=-1]geology.wr.usgs.gov/parks/gtime/ageofearth.pdf[/SIZE]
Dalrymple, G. Brent, 1991, The Age of the Earth: Stanford, Calif., Stanford University Press, 474 p.

i mean after all, you say that theres no messiah, and i'm just simple implemeting that science isn't everything.

Non sequitur and misquote. I never claimed that there was/is no messiah, just that it is irrational to claim that the Christian messiah has any control over the Strong Nuclear Force.

State your opinion. go on.

I have many opinions. Please be more specific.

and why not throw in a couple of facts and reasons of why scientist still aren't able to uncover the smallest partical of atoms in nuclear warfare.

Quarks and gluons are the smallest subatomic particles discovered, and are, presumably, present in nuclear warfare.
What, exactly, is your point?

 

[Veinor]

and why not throw in a couple of facts and reasons of why scientist still aren't able to uncover the smallest partical of atoms in nuclear warfare.

The entire principle of nuclear warfare DEPENDED on a theory of protons, neutrons, and electrons, as well as Einstein's relativity. So I can't offer facts and reasons for why scientists can't find the smallest particles of atoms in nuclear warfare, because they have.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

well said

 

[djbcrawford]

That's a bit absolute for science. At one time Atoms were the smallest particles. How do we know there aren't smaller ones again that just haven't been discovered yet? Scientists have found the smallest ones SO FAR or KNOWN. But they can't be proved to be the smallest particles PERIOD.

 

[Skaloop]

That's a bit absolute for science. At one time Atoms were the smallest particles. How do we know there aren't smaller ones again that just haven't been discovered yet? Scientists have found the smallest ones SO FAR or KNOWN. But they can't be proved to be the smallest particles PERIOD.

You consider the measurement and verification of the unimaginably small particles composing matter to be unsuccessful science because there might be even smaller particles? I don't think any scientists deny that there could be smaller (most probably insist there is). That we haven't been able to prove their existence is a weakness of scientists, technology, and techniques. It is not a weakness of science or the scientific method. When (if) smaller particles are discovered, it'll be science that does it.

If science is such a failure, what success has the Bible brought to scientific discovery? Anything at all? Is there chapter and verse describing electron orbitals?

 

[sodapop112]

theres also the string theory...which unfortunatly scientists have no evidence for but say that it could be true

 

[MrGoodBytes]

That's a bit absolute for science. At one time Atoms were the smallest particles. How do we know there aren't smaller ones again that just haven't been discovered yet? Scientists have found the smallest ones SO FAR or KNOWN. But they can't be proved to be the smallest particles PERIOD.

I agree with you 100%. However, you should consider that claims like "Smallest particle PERIOD found!" rarely, if ever would come from real scientists, but from the media.

 

[Morcova]

I agree with you 100%. However, you should consider that claims like "Smallest particle PERIOD found!" rarely, if ever would come from real scientists, but from the media.

True. The media cares little about science and more about soundbites and sensationalism.

 

[djbcrawford]

You consider the measurement and verification of the unimaginably small particles composing matter to be unsuccessful science because there might be even smaller particles? I don't think any scientists deny that there could be smaller (most probably insist there is). That we haven't been able to prove their existence is a weakness of scientists, technology, and techniques. It is not a weakness of science or the scientific method. When (if) smaller particles are discovered, it'll be science that does it.

If science is such a failure, what success has the Bible brought to scientific discovery? Anything at all? Is there chapter and verse describing electron orbitals?

Don't remember my post saying anything about science being a failure, I was merely arguing against using the language of absolutes.

 

[shernren]

You consider the measurement and verification of the unimaginably small particles composing matter to be unsuccessful science because there might be even smaller particles? I don't think any scientists deny that there could be smaller (most probably insist there is). That we haven't been able to prove their existence is a weakness of scientists, technology, and techniques. It is not a weakness of science or the scientific method. When (if) smaller particles are discovered, it'll be science that does it.

If science is such a failure, what success has the Bible brought to scientific discovery? Anything at all? Is there chapter and verse describing electron orbitals?

Chill, mate.