I Obey, Therefore I Am Loved and Accepted.

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I just defined faith for you.

Again, "A faith that is decribed as mentioned in Hebrews 11?
You know, a faith that is defined as both a belief and as an action?"

You didn't answer this.
Please answer if a faith is defined as it is in Hebrews 11 whereby it is defined as both a belief and as an action.


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[Steeno7]

Again, "A faith that is decribed as mentioned in Hebrews 11?
You know, a faith that is defined as both a belief and as an action?"

You didn't answer this.
Please answer if a faith is defined as it is in Hebrews 11 whereby it is defined as both a belief and as an action.


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Faith is neither belief nor an action. Faith receives, and Christian faith receives the Person and activity of Christ.

Games on. Been fun. Well, not really. Later, Sparky.

 

[ToBeLoved]

That does not really answer the point I made in Scripture.
Again, "A faith that is decribed as mentioned in Hebrews 11?
You know, a faith that is defined as both a belief and as an action?"


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The by product of faith is the action. The action does not define whether one is or has faith, that is God's call.

 

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The by product of faith is the action. The action does not define whether one is or has faith, that is God's call.

Agreed. But works are always the by product of having a true faith. For James and Paul go together like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they compliment each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like."

In other words, works (all by their lonesome) is not what is saving you but it is the proof that Christ is living in you who does the actual saving. For he that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).

In addition, check out this short video, too.

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[Bible Highlighter]

Faith is neither belief nor an action. Faith receives, and Christian faith receives the Person and activity of Christ.

Games on. Been fun. Well, not really. Later, Sparky.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. That is how the Bible defines faith. it is believing in God and His Word even when we do not have proof to see it.

So yes, I would say to hope in the promises in God's Word is a belief.
The promises of God does include receiving Jesus Christ as one's Savior and in placing our trust in Him.
But this is all based on faith or belief in His Word.
Which then leads to the fruits or works (Which is a by-product of having faith).

Also, my name is not Sparky. It is disrespectful for you to give me a nickname that I do not approve of (Especially seeing you do not know me). It is insulting and God's people are not supposed to insult others.


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[ToBeLoved]

Agreed. But works are always the by product of having a true faith. For James and Paul go together like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they compliment each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like."

In other words, works (all by their lonesome) is not what is saving you but it is the proof that Christ is living in you who does the actual saving. For he that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).

In addition, check out this short video, too.

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But you cannot define what true faith is or say who has faith that is accepted by God.

Only God is the righteous judge.

The fruit of the spirit is what we are to look for in Christians.

 

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But you cannot define what true faith is or say who has faith that is accepted by God.

Only God is the righteous judge.

The fruit of the spirit is what we are to look for in Christians.

You could not be more wrong.
Please do a Google search on verses that say that God's people can correct others in the body of Christ (According to God's Word).
Anyways, I say this because that is not the topic of this thread.

In any event, may God bless you.
And please be well.


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[ToBeLoved]

Agreed. But works are always the by product of having a true faith. For James and Paul go together like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they compliment each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like."

In other words, works (all by their lonesome) is not what is saving you but it is the proof that Christ is living in you who does the actual saving. For he that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).

In addition, check out this short video, too.

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Now, wouldn't you only need to worry about yourself and your faith and your actions?

Why not tell people what the Bible says instead of adding your own spin. That would be much better Jason because when you start paraphrasing is when it goes awry.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You could not be more wrong.
Please do a Google search on verses that say that God's people can correct others in the body of Christ.
I say this because that is not the topic of this thread.


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Who are you offering correction to? A broad audience that you do not know personally on the internet?

What is your specific correction?

We are only to correct those we know to be in sin? Whose sin are you addressing, specifically?

Throwing around verses is not correction.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Now, wouldn't you only need to worry about yourself and your faith and your actions?

Why not tell people what the Bible says instead of adding your own spin. That would be much better Jason because when you start paraphrasing is when it goes awry.

I am just relaying what the Bible says. There are many verses that say that you need evidence of your faith (if you are to live out your faith).
To deny this is to deny what the Bible plainly says.

Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).
Be in works they deny Him (Titus 1:16).
Prove that Christ is in you (2 Corinthians 13:5).
Jesus essentially says, He that does not what He says is like a man who built his house upon the sand whereby a storm came and blew it down (Whereby great was the fall of it) (Matthew 7:26-27).
Paul essentially says if any speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing
(1 Timothy 6:3-4). Can a person who is proud and knows nothing be saved?
Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).


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Who are you offering correction to? A broad audience that you do not know personally on the internet?

What is your specific correction?

We are only to correct those we know to be in sin? Whose sin are you addressing, specifically?

Throwing around verses is not correction.

So are you saying you agree with God's people being able to correct each other according to His Word?

Wait, please do not answer that.
That is not the topic of this thread.
If you want to start a discussion on this, please start another thread
(And I will consider in maybe replying).

Thank you.


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[Job8]

I am loved and accepted, therefore I obey.

Correct.

 

[Job8]

Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).

Which comes first? Faith or works?
What saves? Faith or works?

Paul says that if works could save then there would be boasting. The Pharisee was boasting while the Publican was asking for mercy.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Matthew 5:44 says,

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"


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*Your* enemies, not God's.

 

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*Your* enemies, not God's.

Where in God's Word does it say we are to refrain in blessing God's enemies in the New Testament?

Chapter and verse would be nice.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Which comes first? Faith or works?

Actually, if you want to be technical, a person had to take action in some way to either listen to God's Word or read it so as to believe the gospel message. For without the action taken to listen or read God's Word, one would not have any faith within it.

For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God.

Granted, a person is not saved in just hearing the Word of God alone. They first must believe the gospel message. But again, (even though action of hearing God's Word does not save them) action is still a necessary step before hand by hearing God's Word before they could ever be saved by believing.

What saves? Faith or works?

It is both. They are two sides of the same coin. For you cannot have one without the other.
Yes, a person who does not have the opportunity to live out their faith to show any works like the thief on the cross can be saved by faith.
But most people do have to live out their faith, and works is just the natural by product of having a true faith (that is lived out by a believer).

Paul says that if works could save then there would be boasting.

In Romans 4, this is talking about the works of the law of Moses.
This is evident by the fact that Romans 3:1 says,

"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?"

Circumcision was a part of the Old Law.
This is the heresy Paul was addressing.
Paul was not talking about the good works that we were created in Christ Jesus to do, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them (See Ephesians 2:10).

The Pharisee was boasting while the Publican was asking for mercy.

The problem is that the Pharisee did not humble himself before God and seek his mercy. The Parable is not saying that it was wrong for him to live a holy life. It was only wrong for him to think he was better than the tax collector whereby he did not confess his sins to God himself. Also, nowhere is this parable an endorsement for a believer to remain in his sins the rest of his life, either. It doesn't actually say that. In fact, we know Jesus wants us to stop sinning because he tells TWO people to: "Go and sin no more."


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[ToBeLoved]

I am just relaying what the Bible says. There are many verses that say that you need evidence of your faith (if you are to live out your faith).
To deny this is to deny what the Bible plainly says.

Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).
Be in works they deny Him (Titus 1:16).
Prove that Christ is in you (2 Corinthians 13:5).
Jesus essentially says, He that does not what He says is like a man who built his house upon the sand whereby a storm came and blew it down (Whereby great was the fall of it) (Matthew 7:26-27).
Paul essentially says if any speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing
(1 Timothy 6:3-4). Can a person who is proud and knows nothing be saved?
Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).


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Of course we should put some kind of action behind that faith. But why are you making it seem like they need to show 'evidence' of their faith? Evidence to whom? God.

God already knows.

Themselves? How can they prove their faith to themselves?

Others? No reason to

 

[ToBeLoved]

What saves? Faith or Works
It is both. They are two sides of the same coin. For you cannot have one without the other.
Yes, a person who does not have the opportunity to live out their faith to show any works like the thief on the cross can be saved by faith.
But most people do have to live out their faith, and works is just the natural by product of having a true faith (that is lived out by a believer).
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Wrong.

We can ONLY be saved by faith in Jesus Christ and His shed blood on the cross for the forgiveness of sin.

You should know better Jason than to say that works save someone.

 

[ToBeLoved]

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In Romans 4, this is talking about the works of the law of Moses.
This is evident by the fact that Romans 3:1 says,
"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?"

Circumcision was a part of the Old Law.
This is the heresy Paul was addressing.
Paul was not talking about the good works that we were created in Christ Jesus to do, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them (See Ephesians 2:10

You are misinterpreting this verse very wrong.

What Paul is talking about is that salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ. Since salvation is by faith, Paul is saying what it no longer matters who is circumcised or uncircumcised. Because coming to Jesus is by faith. That circumcisn has no value for or against in terms of salvation.

I have no idea how you got that we are to do works out of that verse, because it is not talking about Moses.

It is in context after Jesus death and ressurection, which is the New Covenant, not the Old.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

If Jason0047 is correct, then 99.8% of the Protestants are wrong. I'll go with the odds.