I just don't know...

[Kitfisto202]

Now, I am no feminist, but this is a bit crazy. I'm a seeker of religion, looking out for any thing that will answer me, but this has been on my mind. You see, the scripture says that Jesus is God's only son, so we, being not Jesus, are all female to God, so that must contradict science, which means if scientists messed that up then what can we make of 'science?' I'd just like to find a solution to this question I've been having, because than God made us to be sinners if females are mating with other females which goes against the scriptures! It's just not adding up!

 

[salida]

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Your not understanding the scripture. The term Son is the second person of the trinity -he and the Father are both God.

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world. (discussing christians).

Son-discussing Jesus
Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

1Jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. (sons here are christians).

(talking about Jesus)
Mr 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Also, man is the same as mankind which is both men and women in the scriptures.

 

[zaksmummy]

God has both male and female attributes, the Psalms says that he gathers us as a hen gathers her chicks.

I believe that the reason we look at God as male is because we cannot understand him as both and we are hard wired to specify between male and female.

That said, Jesus had to be born as a man so that he could do the thing he came to do ie die. He wouldnt have been able to do these things as a women because of culture, both his own Jewish culture and the ruling Roman culture.

God is not sexist, he loves us as he made us.

 

[kimmyh51]

I belong to a church that (maybe unlike a lot who are i guess bowing to pressure to be politically correct) does define women and mens roles as different, and the elders of the church are all men.

Having said that I should clarify the following:

1: its not uncommon for a woman to give a talk on a sunday in church (ie a sermon).
2: the women in my church are i think all the ones i have met, professional, independent women often degree qualified and earning the same sort of money as their husbands, women who have their own interests, careers, their own money, who are very much a part of all their family decision making, women who are not in any way, shape or form considered any lesser than their male counterparts
The church elders must be married - and i believe part of the reason for that is that they want the elders to have the support and guidance of their partner.

Me personally I am not in the slightest bit the kind of woman who puts up with sexism. I work in an industry which still has more men than women. I can set up a dvd player, computer, phone, caravan, tent, and drive a 4x4 as well as or better than most males.
However I am not the same as them

After I have set up my computer, pitched my tent, backed onto its spot my caravan, started the generator, or driven 20 km along soft sand (past men who are digging their 4x4's out cos they didnt know to let the air out of their tyres lol) anyway after i have done all that - I may want to put on makeup, check out my hair, w h i n g e about my weight gain, etc.
I do not want to put out the rubbish at the camp i just set up, and if the 4x4 gets a flat tyre, Id much rather a guy change it, than me.
Most women will agree that we are different from men - there are things you can do and say with your girlfriends that men just will not get. Ie most women have experienced a frustrated man when you vent about a bad day at work etc - as the man wonders how you expect him to fix it (he does not understand you dont - you just want him to listen), or going shopping at the sales and being followed around by a joy-killer of a partner who is sighing and going - there thats what you wanted can we go now.... he behaves as if he is being tortured while you are having a fabulous time (or would be if mr killjoy would let you shop properly!)
Anyway Im sure you can think of many more examples that prove that we are different! I believe that this is how god sees us, not as inferiour or less worthy, but as different.

and that is good - i imean imagine if we got to heaven and all the clothes shops only sold white singlets and work socks, - the only cleanser was a bar of cheap soap, only ever sport on the telly, and all your friends could talk about was car parts and the rubbish ref in the game...

Finally - I am a bit confused by what you mean by this:?

'd just like to find a solution to this question I've been having, because than God made us to be sinners if females are mating with other females which goes against the scriptures! It's just not adding up!

Are you asking why god 'frowns' upon female - female sex? Or suggesting that god is ok with two gay guys but not two lesbians? or something else and Ive totally misunderstood what you meant?

 

[s_s]

I belong to a church that (maybe unlike a lot who are i guess bowing to pressure to be politically correct) does define women and mens roles as different, and the elders of the church are all men.

Having said that I should clarify the following:

1: its not uncommon for a woman to give a talk on a sunday in church (ie a sermon).
2: the women in my church are i think all the ones i have met, professional, independent women often degree qualified and earning the same sort of money as their husbands, women who have their own interests, careers, their own money, who are very much a part of all their family decision making, women who are not in any way, shape or form considered any lesser than their male counterparts
The church elders must be married - and i believe part of the reason for that is that they want the elders to have the support and guidance of their partner.

awesome church

Ie most women have experienced a frustrated man when you vent about a bad day at work etc - as the man wonders how you expect him to fix it (he does not understand you dont - you just want him to listen), or going shopping at the sales and being followed around by a joy-killer of a partner who is sighing and going - there thats what you wanted can we go now.... he behaves as if he is being tortured while you are having a fabulous time (or would be if mr killjoy would let you shop properly!)

We're not all like that! Hah, if only you knew, some of us can just listen, participate in shopping trips, whilst not being tortured (AND not even listening to the motor racing on a radio) lol
Such men are rare

 

[Kitfisto202]

You say he began to teach them, but to teach them what? One of your god's 10 commanded is Thou shall not kill/murder. God then demanded that people stone to death other people if they broke his laws. Clearly we have a contradiction. Then he comes back as Jesus at a later date asking everyone to forgive.
Now don't answer, "I don't see contradiction in your statement !" because there is definitely one.

Another contradiction, why did he make a bad fruit in the Garden of Eden? If he was truly God, why would he want to promote bad decision and leave it for them to do, and why not eliminate the problem in the first place?

 

[joey_downunder]

http://www.christianforums.com/credits.php?do=manage&u=288829#donate Hi Kitfisto202, are you here genuinely seeking answers or just for debate? No.1 Rule when looking at scripture: context, context, CONTEXT. Apply the Five_Ws rule.

*Who was speaking, and to which group of people was the message for? e.g. Jews in Old Testament, specific christians in early church, mankind overall?
*What actually happened when the verse was written? Again was it specific to the time period or is still relevant for today? e.g. Jews commanded to go to war against some countries in Old Testament.
*When was it written - Old Testament times or New Testament?
*How was it written - e.g. history, poem, parable, or actual commandment?
* Why was it written - to teach, to encourage, to command, to warn?

 

[kimmyh51]

awesome church
We're not all like that! Hah, if only you knew, some of us can just listen, participate in shopping trips, whilst not being tortured (AND not even listening to the motor racing on a radio) lol
Such men are rare

LOL yeah I had a boyfriend like that and as the saying goes, be careful what you ask for - honestly - him spending hours looking at guys shirts or whatever was more annoying than previous shopping phobic kings of 'the sigh'

 

[razeontherock]

You say he began to teach them, but to teach them what? One of your god's 10 commanded is Thou shall not kill/murder. God then demanded that people stone to death other people if they broke his laws. Clearly we have a contradiction. Then he comes back as Jesus at a later date asking everyone to forgive.
Now don't answer, "I don't see contradiction in your statement !" because there is definitely one.

Another contradiction, why did he make a bad fruit in the Garden of Eden? If he was truly God, why would he want to promote bad decision and leave it for them to do, and why not eliminate the problem in the first place?

Does these questions come from a sincere heart, wanting to know? Or from evil, wanting to subvert?

 

[zaksmummy]

You say he began to teach them, but to teach them what? One of your god's 10 commanded is Thou shall not kill/murder. God then demanded that people stone to death other people if they broke his laws. Clearly we have a contradiction. Then he comes back as Jesus at a later date asking everyone to forgive.
Now don't answer, "I don't see contradiction in your statement !" because there is definitely one.

Another contradiction, why did he make a bad fruit in the Garden of Eden? If he was truly God, why would he want to promote bad decision and leave it for them to do, and why not eliminate the problem in the first place?

The law about killing in the 10 commandments is about pre-meditated murder, not about manslaughter or accidental killing. People falling into those categories found refuge in particular cities.

The laws of stoning you are talking about were specific laws for specific situations. The reason for these laws were because God had set Israel apart, and they had promised to worship him, and him alone and obey all his commands to the best of their ability - he tells them that they must be Holy, because he is Holy.

There are other things you need to realised about these commands, they are like the statute laws that we have now, they are the bare bones of the judicial system. In addition to that we have case law ie the accused comes to court and the judge decides how that particular commandment will be implemented. Its the same with Gods laws. The Israelites, and todays Jews have a whole series of by-laws which they work with to keep the commandments.

For instance, when someone committed a crime punishable be death there had to be two witnesses of good character. They had to be examined very thoroughly by the court, not just about the crime but about how righteous they were as people, ie how well they followed the commandments as well. If they were found to have any inkling of a bad character their testimony was thrown out of court, and only the supreme court, the Sanhedrin, could pass a death sentence, so there was no vigilante justice.

A couple of Rabbis that lived just before Jesus said that any court who sentences someone to death once in 70 years were murderous. They remembered God principle attribute - he prefers mercy rather than justice.

God made us like him with the ability to know that difference between right and wrong, to have an opinion, and a free will, thats why he put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. He wanted us to be able to choose for ourselves. He gives us that choice now - we can choose to believe in him - or not, but it is our choice and he wont twist our arms up our backs.

Also the difference between us and him is that he constantly and consistently chooses to do good, where as we, because we are human, dont.

 

[JackB03]

.................Another contradiction, why did he make a bad fruit in the Garden of Eden? If he was truly God, why would he want to promote bad decision and leave it for them to do, and why not eliminate the problem in the first place?

We dont have to know Gods intentions or plans to have faith in Him. God has a plan that will happen know matter what I do or you do. Im guessing your some-what interested in God or else you wouldnt be on here. I dont know if your an atheist or of another religion. But let me ask you this. Do you believe in Evolution?

Jack