I have a question...

[kiwiekat]

Who raised Jesus from the dead? Would the Father or Holy Spirit need to raise Jesus from the dead, since his divinity didn't die? If Jesus raised himself up, does it mean he wasn't really dead? Someone help me pleeeease.

 

[BT]

Who raised Jesus from the dead? Would the Father or Holy Spirit need to raise Jesus from the dead, since his divinity didn't die? If Jesus raised himself up, does it mean he wasn't really dead? Someone help me pleeeease.

It was the Father who raised him from the dead.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead)

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Now I just want to make this a little bit clear. Christ in effect raised Himself from the dead, since we understand that He and the Father are One (John 10:30). God by definition can not die, but Christ as the God-Man experienced the death of the flesh. Technically speaking this is the only "death" that any experience, since:

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

We know that our physical deaths are not deaths of our souls. So Christ did die in the same way that all men die, yet his God-part lived on even as our souls live on when our bodies fail us.

Hope that makes some sense...

 

[Lynn73]

Here are a few Scriptures I found on who raised Jesus from the dead:

Ac 13:30

But God raised him from the dead:

Ro 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Ro 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Romans 10:9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Ga 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places.

Col 2:12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Yes, Jesus was really dead. His death and resurrection assures the salvation of those who believe in Him. If He didn't really die, we're all in trouble. His body was dead and he went to talk to the spirits in prison or something like that. See 1 Peter 3:18-20. God, the Father raised Him from the dead as the above Scriptures indicate. You might ask the question, if Jesus is God then was He raising Himself from the dead? Then we get into the Trinity and that's whole different thread. One God in Three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Bible calls it a mystery. 1 Timothy 3:16. Also see 1 John 5:7. Don't know if these are some of what's concerning you or if I've helped clear up anything or not...but I tried!

 

[Lynn73]

I just realized I'm not Baptist and I'm in the Baptist forum so I hope I didn't do wrong by trying to answer this question. I wasn't debating so I thought it would be ok.

 

[kiwiekat]

Thank you!!! I have another question about the Holy Spirit. When the scripture says "Spirit of God", does it refer to another title of the Holy Spirit? It kind of makes it sound like that the Holy Spirit is from God...but isn't he also divine in nature? What I mean to say is, I believe in the trinity and all, but the verses make the Spirit sound like he is less than the Father or less than Jesus. I know it's not true because there's a verse that says the Spirit didn't come to bear witness to himself but to Jesus. Hmm...did I answer the question myself? Anyways, are there other verses that show the Holy Spirit is God?

 

[BT]

Thank you!!! I have another question about the Holy Spirit. When the scripture says "Spirit of God", does it refer to another title of the Holy Spirit? It kind of makes it sound like that the Holy Spirit is from God...but isn't he also divine in nature? What I mean to say is, I believe in the trinity and all, but the verses make the Spirit sound like he is less than the Father or less than Jesus. I know it's not true because there's a verse that says the Spirit didn't come to bear witness to himself but to Jesus. Hmm...did I answer the question myself? Anyways, are there other verses that show the Holy Spirit is God?

Yes, the "Spirit of God" is another name of the Holy Spirit. He has over ten names throughout the Bible. A good study for you!

Actually I just thought of something. I think that "what are other names for the Holy Spirit" was one of the questions of the week... so if you go back over a few of them you might be able to find it.

 

[kiwiekat]

This is so awesome, asking questions about God just makes me feel stronger. I have another question, lol, are all Christians persecuted? I've heard of things about the tribulation, but I'm not familiar with what it is...I'm just scared of it.

 

[BT]

This is so awesome, asking questions about God just makes me feel stronger. I have another question, lol, are all Christians persecuted? I've heard of things about the tribulation, but I'm not familiar with what it is...I'm just scared of it.

Yes according to the Bible all Christians who walk with Christ will be persecuted.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Don't be afraid of it, be prepared to rejoice in it and glorify God through it. Keep in mind that when you are persecuted it is not you who is actually persecuted but Christ. They don't hate you, they hate what (or I should say Who) is in you. I usually think of it as something in them hates something in you.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Matthew 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


You can ask as much as you like. We're all here to help each other along!!

 

[kiwiekat]

Thanks. The persecution...what kind is it? I mean could it be as simple as people challenging us or could it be like torture?

Another thing...are people who believe in oneness saved?

 

[Gold Dragon]

I would agree with BT on all his answers but add that I don't consider persecution to be a rule as something that all Chrisitans who walk with Christ must have.

From reading the passages BT referenced, I think that Jesus and Paul were trying to suggest that persecution is something that will probably happen to those who walk closely with Christ because his message is not a popular one in the world. They were trying to prepare Christians for the persecution they would probably face, not necessarily giving them a predictive rule. Of course I could be wrong.

I would not consider verbal challenges to be persecution because challenges can be made in a non-hostile way. Physical torture, death, verbal abuse and being ostracized are things I would consider persecution.

Regarding Oneness Pentecostals, I consider their belief to be an unorthodox one that does not interfere with their state of grace.

 

[kiwiekat]

Thanks!

I still have questions about the Holy Spirit. Are there verses that prove the Holy Spirit is God? It's just that when he is addressed as Spirit of God, it sounds like he is from God and not very individualistic or divine himself.

 

[@@Paul@@]

Thanks!

I still have questions about the Holy Spirit. Are there verses that prove the Holy Spirit is God? It's just that when he is addressed as Spirit of God, it sounds like he is from God and not very individualistic or divine himself.

Well, it would seem ODD that He wouldn't be "divine" or even God Himself considering:

Mat 12:31-32 KJV
(31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
(32) And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.​

...I don't think there are actual verses that prove the Holy Spirit is God.

Taken as a whole, I believe the Bible proves He is; here are two reasons - as I see them.

1) all three were present in creation.
2) all three are present in salvation.​

 

[kiwiekat]

Ohhh thanks, that really does help. I have another question, but it's really stupid. I know the answer is obviously "no", but I need reassurance.

I found this on an atheist site called Cygnus' Study.

Is Jesus in danger of hellfire?
Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
- Matthew 5:22

[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.
- Matthew 23:17

 

[@@Paul@@]

No, Jesus Christ said "Ye Fools" not "Thou Fool"...




............honestly, I don't know where they come up with that stuff.