I have a question directed towards Muslims

[ianb321red]

Gospel of Barnabas date is 16th century while prophet Mohamed is 6th century
Also, Prophet Mohamed was illiterate and never learnt any region or book

So where did the Islamic understanding of Jesus/ Isa come from? And what sources outside of the Quran support the Islamic view as opposed to the Christian view?

 

[Limo]

So where did the Islamic understanding of Jesus/ Isa come from? And what sources outside of the Quran support the Islamic view as opposed to the Christian view?

It's from Allah.
Prophet Mohamed is guiding people into all the truth. He is not speaking on his own.

 

[afishamongmany]

Hi there Limo,
God's peace be to you brother man. I'm glad that someone who can speak personally about their islamic beliefs is in the discussion.
I have read all the Koran through at least twice in its english translation. I have had muslim friends, spent time in muslim countries and am familiar with the basic teachings of Islam but of course, no I'm not knowledgeable in the way you are.
I have no problem accepting that Mohamed is a real historical man or that he probably 'wrote down' the Koran. My problem is that I believe The Bible is divinely inspired by God and as The Bible and The Koran do not speak with the same voice on many important points there is a problem. God is not a God of confusion.

Limon you ask -
“Among people who calls themselves Christian, Do you have a common understanding/agreement about the nature of Jesus a god or son of god or one of three? how the divine part is mixed with human part???? many many disagreements
First we both know, don't we, that Islam is not as united or agreed as you want to present it. Yes within Christianity there are many disagreements but the statement of faith known as the Nicene Creed that Christian Forums has linked to the home page is agreed by the vast majority of Bible believing Christians. If you read it (maybe you already have?) the question of who Jesus is is dealt with. The heart of christian salvation is much more about agreeing with God than about agreeing with others (though that of course, when it happens, is good ).

You say -
“The crucifixion story is told differently in the different gospels and very weak to the level that some "Christians" don't believe in it”
Yes each of the four gospels gives a different view of the crucifixion but it is the same event and in all four accounts The Lord dies a real death.
I don't see how someone who doesn't believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for their sins can be a Christian. I know that many Muslims believe that most people in certain countries are 'Christian'. According to the Bible no-one is born a Christian, a second birth is necessary

You also ask these questions -
“Tell me, till date all who do call themselves Christians who are reading same books:
- Do you have one definition of Who is Christian?
- Do you have one defiition who is Christ?
- Do you have one definition who is god? how is he?”

for Who is a Christian? See -letter to the Romans chpt8:-
“You,(Christians) however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.”

for Who is Christ? see -letter to the Hebrews chpt1:-
“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high”

for Who is God? How is He? see - book of the prophet Isaiah chpt40:-
“Behold, the nations are like a drop from a bucket, and are accounted as the dust on the scales; behold, he takes up the coastlands like fine dust. 16 Lebanon would not suffice for fuel, nor are its beasts enough for a burnt offering. 17 All the nations are as nothing before him, they are accounted by him as less than nothing and emptiness. 18 To whom then will you liken God, or what likeness compare with him? It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; 23 who brings princes to nothing, and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.”

Limo the words you quote are those of The Lord Jesus speaking of Himself from the Gospel of John chpt16-
“IF answer of all above question is "No" then there is real need for the "Spirit of Truth" who shall "guide you into all the truth", "He will glorify and honor Me","take from what is Mine and will disclose it to you"
That is what Christians want, that Christ is honoured and glorified.

Excuse me I've written a lot. I wanted to ask you some questions but now is late, so next time.
Go well
><>

 

[Limo]

Hi there Limo,
God's peace be to you brother man. I'm glad that someone who can speak personally about their islamic beliefs is in the discussion.
I have read all the Koran through at least twice in its english translation. I have had muslim friends, spent time in muslim countries and am familiar with the basic teachings of Islam but of course, no I'm not knowledgeable in the way you are.
I have no problem accepting that Mohamed is a real historical man or that he probably 'wrote down' the Koran. My problem is that I believe The Bible is divinely inspired by God and as The Bible and The Koran do not speak with the same voice on many important points there is a problem. God is not a God of confusion.

God's peace to be up on you and on all people who are looking for the truth.
Totally agree Go is not a God for confusion.

Limon you ask -
“Among people who calls themselves Christian, Do you have a common understanding/agreement about the nature of Jesus a god or son of god or one of three? how the divine part is mixed with human part???? many many disagreements
First we both know, don't we, that Islam is not as united or agreed as you want to present it. Yes within Christianity there are many disagreements but the statement of faith known as the Nicene Creed that Christian Forums has linked to the home page is agreed by the vast majority of Bible believing Christians. If you read it (maybe you already have?) the question of who Jesus is is dealt with. The heart of christian salvation is much more about agreeing with God than about agreeing with others (though that of course, when it happens, is good ).

Agreed.
I've seen some Christian-Christian discussion that shows some Christians don't agree on Nicene Creed

You say -
“The crucifixion story is told differently in the different gospels and very weak to the level that some "Christians" don't believe in it”
Yes each of the four gospels gives a different view of the crucifixion but it is the same event and in all four accounts The Lord dies a real death.
I don't see how someone who doesn't believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for their sins can be a Christian. I know that many Muslims believe that most people in certain countries are 'Christian'. According to the Bible no-one is born a Christian, a second birth is necessary

but there are cases
So, there is no agreement among Christians about who is the Christian?

You also ask these questions -
“Tell me, till date all who do call themselves Christians who are reading same books:
- Do you have one definition of Who is Christian?
- Do you have one defiition who is Christ?
- Do you have one definition who is god? how is he?”

for Who is a Christian? See -letter to the Romans chpt8:-
“You,(Christians) however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.”

for Who is Christ? see -letter to the Hebrews chpt1:-
“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high”

for Who is God? How is He? see - book of the prophet Isaiah chpt40:-
“Behold, the nations are like a drop from a bucket, and are accounted as the dust on the scales; behold, he takes up the coastlands like fine dust. 16 Lebanon would not suffice for fuel, nor are its beasts enough for a burnt offering. 17 All the nations are as nothing before him, they are accounted by him as less than nothing and emptiness. 18 To whom then will you liken God, or what likeness compare with him? It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; 23 who brings princes to nothing, and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.”

But still there is no acceptance by all churches

Limo the words you quote are those of The Lord Jesus speaking of Himself from the Gospel of John chpt16-
“IF answer of all above question is "No" then there is real need for the "Spirit of Truth" who shall "guide you into all the truth", "He will glorify and honor Me","take from what is Mine and will disclose it to you"
That is what Christians want, that Christ is honoured and glorified.

It's Jesus words but he's talking about somebody else

Excuse me I've written a lot. I wanted to ask you some questions but now is late, so next time.
Go well
><>

you're most welcome

 

[ianb321red]

It's from Allah.
Prophet Mohamed is guiding people into all the truth. He is not speaking on his own.

Since when is Allah sources outside of the Quran?
We only know about Allah in the first place from within the Quran.

Are there any sources outside of Allah/ Quran revelation to support what Islam says differently about Jesus/ Isa?
For example, we know that Jesus was crucified, not only from the bible but also from the works of Tacitus, the Talmud writings, from Lucian and so on. There are an array of writings outside the biblical texts stating Jesus was crucified on a cross or stake.

Islam says Jesus/ Isa did not die. Why should this be accepted as correct? What historical evidence is there to support this and render the Christian view as incorrect?

 

[Limo]

Since when is Allah sources outside of the Quran?
We only know about Allah in the first place from within the Quran.

Are there any sources outside of Allah/ Quran revelation to support what Islam says differently about Jesus/ Isa?
For example, we know that Jesus was crucified, not only from the bible but also from the works of Tacitus, the Talmud writings, from Lucian and so on. There are an array of writings outside the biblical texts stating Jesus was crucified on a cross or stake.

Islam says Jesus/ Isa did not die. Why should this be accepted as correct? What historical evidence is there to support this and render the Christian view as incorrect?

The Semitic root ʾlh (Arabic ʾilāh, Aramaic ʾAlāh, ʾElāh, Hebrew ʾelōah)
If we add ("The"="Al" in Arabic) to make it indefinite Then in Arabic (Al+ʾilāh) i.e. Allah. Please note the Aramaic is the native Jesus language "ʾAlāh" absolutely equal to the Arabic word Allah. See Jesus was calling the God Allah.
So, Allah the creator the merciful who revealed Quran to prophet Mohamed.

Why prophet Mohamed has different opinion about Jesus/Isa and the crucifixion ?
He didn't speak on his own, he has spoken only what he hears from Allah
he has told also what has yet to come. He has glorified Jesus , He has taken what is for Jesus and declared it

 

[zippy2]

Gal 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Gal 1:11¶
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[ianb321red]

The Semitic root ʾlh (Arabic ʾilāh, Aramaic ʾAlāh, ʾElāh, Hebrew ʾelōah)
If we add ("The"="Al" in Arabic) to make it indefinite Then in Arabic (Al+ʾilāh) i.e. Allah. Please note the Aramaic is the native Jesus language "ʾAlāh" absolutely equal to the Arabic word Allah. See Jesus was calling the God Allah.
So, Allah the creator the merciful who revealed Quran to prophet Mohamed.

Why prophet Mohamed has different opinion about Jesus/Isa and the crucifixion ?
He didn't speak on his own, he has spoken only what he hears from Allah
he has told also what has yet to come. He has glorified Jesus , He has taken what is for Jesus and declared it

Right, so it would appear that the evidence seems to show that "Allah" has got this wrong then?

And this is strange since the Quran was written 609-632 AD, which is around 600 years after the death of Jesus. So why, given that we know that Jesus DID die on a cross, did Allah not know this and provide Mohammed with an incorrect revelation?

This is a huge error and a problem for the plausibility of the Quran/ Islam in terms of it's accuracy.

 

[afishamongmany]

Limo the words you quote are those of The Lord Jesus speaking of Himself from the Gospel of John chpt16-
“IF answer of all above question is "No" then there is real need for the "Spirit of Truth" who shall "guide you into all the truth", "He will glorify and honor Me","take from what is Mine and will disclose it to you"
That is what Christians want, that Christ is honoured and glorified.

"It's Jesus words but he's talking about somebody else"

Hello again Limo,
I don't understand "...he's talking about somebody else" ? Who is Jesus saying that The Holy Spirit will glorify?
John chpt16
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Limo I'm interested to know on what basis do you personally believe that all your sins are, and will be, forgiven? We both believe that God is compassionate and merciful. Do you believe also that He is pure, holy and just? The penalty for sin is eternal separation from God, that is, death. Nothing impure may enter into His presence. We can not make ourselves clean however much we wash or bow or do good things. So how do you believe that you will be allowed to enter The Holy and Just One's heaven?
Ok late again
Go well
><>

 

[Percivale]

It's from Allah.
Prophet Mohamed is guiding people into all the truth. He is not speaking on his own.

I see that you apply Jesus words that we all understand to be about the Holy Spirit in the Gospel of John to Muhammad instead. I've heard the argument that paracletos, the Greek word for comforter should be pericletos, which means praised, which is also what Muhammad means. But if you are going to believe the Gospel of John, you should read it and you'll find that it talks the most about Jesus being divine. Also, does Muhammad glorify Jesus? If not, he's not the one the passage is talking about. And was Muhammad a spirit? Why would Jesus call him the spirit of truth?
Muhammad being illiterate is irrelevant. He naturally would have picked up lots of Christian legends by hearing them during his travels, and one can be a good poet without being able to write--Homer is a good example of that.
I have two questions for you:
How do you reconcile the verse that says, "there is no compulsion in religion", with Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." There are many more examples of verses both encouraging and prohibiting violence; it sure seems contradictory to me.

What does the Quran say about the Christian Scriptures (Taurat, Zibbur, and Injil)?

 

[Limo]

Right, so it would appear that the evidence seems to show that "Allah" has got this wrong then?

And this is strange since the Quran was written 609-632 AD, which is around 600 years after the death of Jesus. So why, given that we know that Jesus DID die on a cross, did Allah not know this and provide Mohammed with an incorrect revelation?

This is a huge error and a problem for the plausibility of the Quran/ Islam in terms of it's accuracy.

My friend, what do you think is a fact is just a big doubt. I wonder if you have never read or heard Christian (not Moslim) studies that scientifically and theologically abandon the Crucifixion ?

Do religious or historical Jews writing recognize crucifixion?

The bottom line researchers agree that the translation from Latin doesn't absolutely mean that Jesus died on a cross but a stake or pole (beginning of doubt)

Don't go so far, Jehovah’s Witnesses are adamant that Jesus did not die on a cross and that the cross is in fact a pagan symbol. they believe Jesus died on a stake or Pole (not sure I myself didn't read a lot from their writings)

- Start with the thesis developed by theologian Gunnar Samuelsson said: "The problem is descriptions of crucifixions are remarkably absent in the antique literature." and "The sources where you would expect to find support for the established understanding of the event really don't say anything." and "
The ancient Greek, Latin and Hebrew literature from Homer to the first century AD describe an arsenal of suspension punishments but none mention "crosses" or "crucifixion.""

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jehovahs-Witnesses.html

Take this as a start to read in the subject fro Western/Christian researches only, do forget about Islam in the timebeing

 

[Limo]

Limo the words you quote are those of The Lord Jesus speaking of Himself from the Gospel of John chpt16-
“IF answer of all above question is "No" then there is real need for the "Spirit of Truth" who shall "guide you into all the truth", "He will glorify and honor Me","take from what is Mine and will disclose it to you"
That is what Christians want, that Christ is honoured and glorified.

"It's Jesus words but he's talking about somebody else"

Hello again Limo,
I don't understand "...he's talking about somebody else" ? Who is Jesus saying that The Holy Spirit will glorify?
John chpt16
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Where is Holy Spirit in John 16:12-15 ?
It's talking about "Spirit of the Truth" not the Holy spirit.

Limo I'm interested to know on what basis do you personally believe that all your sins are, and will be, forgiven? We both believe that God is compassionate and merciful. Do you believe also that He is pure, holy and just? The penalty for sin is eternal separation from God, that is, death. Nothing impure may enter into His presence. We can not make ourselves clean however much we wash or bow or do good things. So how do you believe that you will be allowed to enter The Holy and Just One's heaven?

Ok late again
Go well
><>

God is The Pure One, The Just, The All-Merciful, The All-Beneficient,The Forgiving, The Truth,,,
There are conditions to be forgiven by God :-
- You should ask him only alone directly without any partnership or a mean
- You should ask him not to ask something else
- You should know him, not call him with bad name or believe bad things about him
It's not convenient to ask for Forgiveness from God while:
- You're calling him with bad name
- You're believing any bad allegation or attributes
- You're worshiping someone/something or even with him

Once you fulfill the above conditions, then you should follow the suitable/appropriate Covenant that decides Doers/Non-Doers

Without all of the above preconditions , my sins will not be forgiven at all

I don't need something/someone between me and God to ask for forgiveness.
If I pray sincerely with an intention not to sin again and I should feel guilty, God will absolutely forgive me.

 

[Limo]

I see that you apply Jesus words that we all understand to be about the Holy Spirit in the Gospel of John to Muhammad instead. I've heard the argument that paracletos, the Greek word for comforter should be pericletos, which means praised, which is also what Muhammad means. But if you are going to believe the Gospel of John, you should read it and you'll find that it talks the most about Jesus being divine. Also, does Muhammad glorify Jesus? If not, he's not the one the passage is talking about. And was Muhammad a spirit? Why would Jesus call him the spirit of truth?
Muhammad being illiterate is irrelevant. He naturally would have picked up lots of Christian legends by hearing them during his travels, and one can be a good poet without being able to write--Homer is a good example of that.

Regardless if It's paracletos or pericletos .
Why it's translated to (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor—Counselor, Strengthener, Standby) in addition to Spirit of the Truth?
It should have been translated directly without doubt in all translations to Holy Spirit.
Right?
So, there is some logic behind the Islamic interpretation of this word as prophet Mohamed.

If prophet Mohamed picked up lot of Christian legends, why he chose not to agree with Trinity and crucifixion?
If he would have done and accepted without challenge, he would have been named as the greatest saint all over christian history. right?

Mohamed has glorified Jesus and his mother better than any one else. I'll give you one example:-
- Gospels are saying that Mariam traveled away with her engagement Joseph and came back after birth of the child pertaining that Jesus is son of Joseph otherwise people will accuse her with adulteration. right???

This is the biggest insult to Jesus and his mother Mariam for the following reasons:
- It means that Mariam lied on all people
- Some close relatives and neighbors should have known that Mariam was pregnant before marriage, i.e. they believed that she has done the big sin adulteration
- The child grown up believe that Joseph is his father but he's not

If you agree I'll tell you how prophet Mohamed glorified Jesus?

I have two questions for you:
How do you reconcile the verse that says, "there is no compulsion in religion", with Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." There are many more examples of verses both encouraging and prohibiting violence; it sure seems contradictory to me.

Yeeh, I feed up with this question.
Internet is full of answers

What does the Quran say about the Christian Scriptures (Taurat, Zibbur, and Injil)?

There are true books revealed to prophets. this we should believe in it.
Allah told that these books have been changed/decreased/increased by people of the books.

 

[Robban]

Robin !!!!! Realy stoning is evil , absurd and horrific???
Have you ever read Torah / OT your book?


Enjoy reading your holly book
Deut 22:20
20 “But if this charge is true that the evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, 21 then they shall bring her out to the doorway of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed a deliberate sin in Israel by playing the prostitute in her father’s house. So you shall remove the evil from among you.

Torah is in layers,
you dig deeper by lifting layer by layer.

Seperating the spiritual from Torah and what do you have?

Oral Torah was meant to be passed down from teacher to student from generation to generation, not to the masses.

Oral Torah is the explanation of the written.

We are born with the evil inclination and just reading, as you put it,
often is what tickles the ears.

But for one who does not accept it can be so, studies.

 

[Robban]

Limo,
a question,

Is Crying out "Allah is great" just before chopping anothers head off, trendy?"

You know, the Grand Canyon is great too, but it is not God either.

 

[Limo]

Torah is in layers,
you dig deeper by lifting layer by layer.

Seperating the spiritual from Torah and what do you have?

Oral Torah was meant to be passed down from teacher to student from generation to generation, not to the masses.

Oral Torah is the explanation of the written.

We are born with the evil inclination and just reading, as you put it,
often is what tickles the ears.

But for one who does not accept it can be so, studies.

No problem if it's Torah or something else.
You can summarize What are these layers are saying about the evil , absurd and horrific stoning

This is from your holy book talking about stoning which you said it's evil , absurd and horrific

 

[Limo]

Limo,
a question,

Is Crying out "Allah is great" just before chopping anothers head off, trendy?"

You know, the Grand Canyon is great too, but it is not God either.

When you have nothing to say about stoning in HB you change the subject

Go and reply on my post about stoning in the HB

 

[afishamongmany]

Hello again brother man. May God by His Spirit lead us into all truth.
Limo you ask-
“Where is Holy Spirit in John 16:12-15 ? It's talking about "Spirit of the Truth" not the Holy spirit.”

Why would it be a problem that The Holy Spirit is called by The Lord Jesus The Spirit of truth? At the end of chpt 15 verse 26 The Lord speaks of The Holy Spirit as the Helper. In chpt 14 verse 26 The Lord says “the Helper, The Holy Spirit”. Between his resurrection and his ascension into heaven Jesus said to his disciples, “ … you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”, (the book of Acts chpt1 verse 5). He is also known as the Councilor and the Comforter.
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Thank you for explaining your understanding of how we receive God's forgiveness. You say -
''Once you fulfill the above conditions, then you should follow the suitable/appropriate Covenant that decides Doers/Non-Doers
Without all of the above preconditions , my sins will not be forgiven at all
I don't need something/someone between me and God to ask for forgiveness.
If I pray sincerely with an intention not to sin again and I should feel guilty, God will absolutely forgive me.''

We both agree with The Bible that sincere repentance is necessary for receiving God's forgiveness. What you do not explain is how God can forgive you without compromising His holy justice. We Sin against God>>>Judgment by God>>>There is a deserved Penalty-Death If sin is not judged and paid for justice has not been done. God is just. If He were not completely and always just He would no longer be God, would He?
In Psalm 85 we read -
10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.

This speaks of the death of Christ, whether it was a cross, a stake, whatever is not what is important. What is important is that it's the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that makes possible for God to be just and merciful. The Lord was there in my place, I go free, I am pardoned. Praise His holy name!
Go well brother man
><>

 

[Robban]

No problem if it's Torah or something else.
You can summarize What are these layers are saying about the evil , absurd and horrific stoning

This is from your holy book talking about stoning which you said it's evil , absurd and horrific

I don't write much here but at least I know what I have written.

I said I do not believe it to be taken literally, to do so is absurd and horrific,
I did not say it was evil.

Stoning a person to death,
what will that say?
Hurling stones or rocks at that person until there is no breath of Life in them?

Here is where the "evil" part kicks in, only one who is following their own evil inclination
would be capable of commiting such an act.

I could give you one explanation but I doubt if it would be recieved well.


I was reminded of a verse from Psalms 50,

But to the wicked God said,
"What does it help you to discuss My laws,
and take My covenant upon your lips?"

 

[Robban]

When you have nothing to say about stoning in HB you change the subject

Go and reply on my post about stoning in the HB

It is not changing the subject it is line with how some or many act, from different religions.