I have a question directed towards Muslims

[fatboys]

"Pole" is incorrect. That Hebrew word ets is generally translated as "tree".
Strong's Concordance
ets: tree, trees, wood
Original Word: עֵץ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: ets
Phonetic Spelling: (ates)
Short Definition: wood

The Jehovah's Witnesses make a big deal out of this today, but they do not deny the crucifixion, and in fact their attack on the Cross is fairly recent:
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php

On the other hand, the Koran blatantly denies the Deity of Christ, His crucifixion, as well as His resurrection. The Koran is an attack on the Bible and on Christ.

You know I have raised cattle most of my life. Part of the saddle is called a tree. Doesn't mean that it has roots and leaves.

 

[Job8]

You know I have raised cattle most of my life. Part of the saddle is called a tree. Doesn't mean that it has roots and leaves.

There are also "trees" for shoes (in order to preserve them). What do either of these have to do with the matter under discussion? Or do you enjoy diversionary tactics?

 

[Job8]

How do you know the true or false prophet?

Any prophet who contradicts the Torah, the Tanakh or the Holy Bible is a false prophet. Did Muhammad do so? Absolutely. We could go into many verses of the Quran to prove it. But the fact that the Quran denies the Deity of Christ, His crucifixion, and His resurrection is sufficient proof that the Quran is a counterfeit gospel.

The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of Allah," and the Christians said, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May Allah assail them! How deceived they are! They have taken their rabbis and their priests as lords instead of Allah, as well as the Messiah son of Mary. Although they were commanded to worship none but The One God. There is no god except He. Glory be to Him; High above what they associate with Him. (Sura 9:30,31).

 

[Limo]

Any prophet who contradicts the Torah, the Tanakh or the Holy Bible is a false prophet. Did Muhammad do so? Absolutely. We could go into many verses of the Quran to prove it. But the fact that the Quran denies the Deity of Christ, His crucifixion, and His resurrection is sufficient proof that the Quran is a counterfeit gospel.

Did any prophet accepted the Deity of Christ, His crucifixion, and His resurrection (as per your belief)?
Did any book in OT accepted the Deity of Christ , His crucifixion, and His resurrection(as per your belief)?
Didn't NT contradict with OT (Unitarian) as it creates something new Deity of Christ , His crucifixion, and His resurrection ?

 

[Arthra]

Any prophet who contradicts the Torah, the Tanakh or the Holy Bible is a false prophet

And yet each Prophet has been met in some way with rejection and denial by His own people from time to time... Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath and healing by the power of Beelzebub.

The Qur'an recognizes Christ and the Gospel in my opinion...

From Surih 5 (Al-Ma-ida)


48 And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over i47 Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.46 And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil).

 

[smaneck]

Any prophet who contradicts the Torah, the Tanakh or the Holy Bible is a false prophet.

http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html

 

[fatboys]

There are also "trees" for shoes (in order to preserve them). What do either of these have to do with the matter under discussion? Or do you enjoy diversionary tactics?

My point is that some might call it a tree where it is actually a cross

 

[Goatee]

Did any prophet accepted the Deity of Christ, His crucifixion, and His resurrection (as per your belief)?
Did any book in OT accepted the Deity of Christ , His crucifixion, and His resurrection(as per your belief)?
Didn't NT contradict with OT (Unitarian) as it creates something new Deity of Christ , His crucifixion, and His resurrection ?

isaiah 53

 

[Job8]

Did any prophet accepted the Deity of Christ, His crucifixion, and His resurrection (as per your belief)?

Absolutely. See Micah 5:1,2. "WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING" can only apply to God, but here it applies to the one who was born in Bethlehem (Jesus). When Herod called the chief priests and scribes to determined where the King of the Jews would be born, they quoted only a portion of this passage, and omitted the fact that He is God.

Did any book in OT accepted the Deity of Christ , His crucifixion, and His resurrection(as per your belief)?

Absolutely. Study the prophecy of Isaiah, and particularly chapter 53.

Didn't NT contradict with OT (Unitarian) as it creates something new Deity of Christ , His crucifixion, and His resurrection ?

Not at all. God spoke to Moses in the burning bush and called Himself "I AM". Jesus spoke to the Jews of His day and called Himself "I AM". And that is why Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 3:16:καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ which translates as (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God [Theos] was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

What does "God was manifest in the flesh mean"? God took a human body as the Lord Jesus Christ, was crucified, buried, and rose again the third day, and finally received up into Heaven (glory) after forty days.

 

[Limo]

isaiah 53

There is nothing there answers any of my questions

1. Did any prophet accepted the Deity of Christ, His crucifixion, and His resurrection (as per your belief)?
2. Did any book in OT accepted the Deity of Christ , His crucifixion, and His resurrection(as per your belief)?
3. Didn't NT contradict with OT (Unitarian) as it creates something new Deity of Christ , His crucifixion, and His resurrection ?

 

[Limo]

Absolutely. See Micah 5:1,2. "WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING" can only apply to God, but here it applies to the one who was born in Bethlehem (Jesus). When Herod called the chief priests and scribes to determined where the King of the Jews would be born, they quoted only a portion of this passage, and omitted the fact that He is God.


Absolutely. Study the prophecy of Isaiah, and particularly chapter 53.

Not at all. God spoke to Moses in the burning bush and called Himself "I AM". Jesus spoke to the Jews of His day and called Himself "I AM". And that is why Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 3:16:καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ which translates as (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God [Theos] was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

What does "God was manifest in the flesh mean"? God took a human body as the Lord Jesus Christ, was crucified, buried, and rose again the third day, and finally received up into Heaven (glory) after forty days.

As per your belief, "Trinity", "Crucifixion","Resurrection" are big incidents for all over the human beings. If it's true, It should be the main topics of all books not just an implicit meaning can be shown by twisting and look behind the words. Also, Jews should have known it very well and expecting "Trinity", "Crucifixion","Resurrection". Which is totally untrue. Although they're expecting El-Messiah but nothing about "Trinity", "Crucifixion","Resurrection"

Simply, It's not there and no prophet ever told and believed in these including El-Messiah himself.

 

[smaneck]

What does "God was manifest in the flesh mean"? God took a human body as the Lord Jesus Christ, was crucified, buried, and rose again the third day, and finally received up into Heaven (glory) after forty days.

No, it means God manifested Himself through a man, not that He incarnated Himself.

And by the way, Paul didn't write Timothy.

 

[Job8]

No, it means God manifested Himself through a man, not that He incarnated Himself.

And which man would that be? More vain musings.

And by the way, Paul didn't write Timothy.

Did Peter write this, or possibly Timothy to himself?

 

[smaneck]

And which man would that be? More vain musings.

Obviously for the writer of Hebrews it was Jesus.

Did Peter write this, or possibly Timothy to himself?

Nope. Someone who lived in the second century.