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I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

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I actually do agree with you. There is no evidence for a short time frame. But does an absence of evidence mean evidence of absence (sorry, I know that’s a facile response)?
In this case there is evidence of a long time frame. the modern science of geology was founded in the 18th and early 19th century by scholars--most of them clergymen--who had set out to to find evidence of the flood. Finally they had to give it up because the evidence was unequivocal--the Earth was old and there had been no flood.

Why would you wish the ToE to be "at least somewhat wrong?" What about it do you dislike?
 
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From the text above it is very obvious that you don't know anything about the Theory of Evolution.
Here are two resources to learn about it.
Welcome to Evolution 101!


 
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From the text above it is very obvious that you don't know anything about the Theory of Evolution.
Here are two resources to learn about it.
Welcome to Evolution 101!


 
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From the text above it is very obvious that you don't know anything about the Theory of Evolution.
Here are two resources to learn about it.
Welcome to Evolution 101!


 
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From the text above it is very obvious that you don't know anything about the Theory of Evolution.
Here are two resources to learn about it.
Welcome to Evolution 101!


 
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I'm still not sure I see the point you are trying to make. Faith in God really has little or nothing to do with the question of whether the theory of evolution is a valid scientific theory.
 
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I guess what I’m saying is that it is shame that more scientist don’t look into alternatives to the current ToE.
What makes you think they don't?

I understand why it is the case an I lament it.
Can you share with us why you think that is the case?
 
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I guess what I’m saying is that it is shame that more scientist don’t look into alternatives to the current ToE.
What scientific alternatives are there? And how would these be supported by more or better evidence than the ToE
 
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And why would faith conflict with the ToE. Millions of christians world wide combine their christianity with the acceptance of science harmoniously. What do they know more/less than you?
 
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Science does not agree with a literal reading of the bible. But millions of christians world wide combine their christianity with the acceptance of science harmoniously. What do they know more/less than you?
 
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Well, stick with it. I've been a Christian all my life, but I wasn't aware that people seriously took Genesis as literal history until I was quite an adult. My response on hearing it was "They believe what??? about the Bible??? Why?" I still don't know why. I hang around places like this hoping that some creationist will provide a sensible answer, but so far it hasn't happened.
 
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From the text above it is very obvious that you don't know anything about the Theory of Evolution.
Here are two resources to learn about it.
Welcome to Evolution 101!


Thank you for this video, it was a good refresher. I was agreeing with the video, until we got to common ancestor for all of us. How can that be if they are clearly very distinct differences between a rat and I, is it not possible to have similar DNA and still be totally different things? Why do we have to conclude, because of that we have a common ancestor.
Plus where are all the middle men?

And secondly that an elephant evolved from a shrew. Surely that should mean an elephant and shrew can mate to form another species? Why do elephants then only mate with elephants.
It also doesn't explain the difference between humans and other animals, regardless of how different they are.

Please note that I am asking. Don't come on me with a ton of bricks.
 
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Thank you for this video, it was a good refresher. I was agreeing with the video, until we got to common ancestor for all of us.
In other words, you don't agree with the video at all. For that is one of the essential conclusion of the ToE.

How can that be if they are clearly very distinct differences between a rat and I, is it not possible to have similar DNA and still be totally different things?
You should be amazed how many features you (and I) share with rats
  • we 're eukaryotes
  • we 're multicellular
  • we have an internal skeleton
  • we have all our body covered with hair
  • we have differentiated teeth
  • we have a constant body temperature
  • we feed our offspring with maternal milk
  • etc
Why do we have to conclude, because of that we have a common ancestor.
Plus where are all the middle men?
There are thousands and thousands of fossils and living species "in between".

And secondly that an elephant evolved from a shrew.
No, elephants and shrews share a common ancestor. But one doesn't descend from the other.
Surely that should mean an elephant and shrew can mate to form another species?
No, for first, speciation means prodructive isolation, if elephants and shrews could mate and have fertile offspring they would be the same species. This is very very basic.

Why do elephants then only mate with elephants.
Because the reproductive isolation I mentioned can be obtained through many different ways; different territories, the "mechanics" don't fit, being fertile in different periods of the year, being aroused by different signals like sound, mating dances, pheromones etc.
It also doesn't explain the difference between humans and other animals, regardless of how different they are.
Indeed, the evolution of elephants doesn't explain the origin of humans. It just explains the origin of...elephants.
Please note that I am asking. Don't come on me with a ton of bricks.

If you 're really interested here are some extra sources:
This is a 30 pages introductional chapter to the ToE
https://www.springtownisd.net/cms/l...ain/101/Bio_Ch_10_Principles_Of_Evolution.pdf

This is a much more elaborated full textbook:
http://www.biologia.buap.mx/Evolution__3rd_Edition.pdf

kind regards
 
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The word theory, according to the Oxford English Dictionary,
is “a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by
observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted
as accounting for the known facts.”

To be considered a theory, something must be “confirmed”
and account for the “known facts.” Evolution has been
neither. Evolution, it seems, is a theory based upon
the evidence of things not seen.

The phrase “theory of evolution” confuses many people
since scientists specifically refer to it as fact.

Why then is it not called the “fact of evolution”?

At best, evolution is a hypothesis. Unproven and without
“correspondence with fact,” it stands as an idea scientists
seem desperate to substantiate, though they remain
unable to do so.


The theory part of it is how it happens they say.
And this “natural selection” has become there
“answer to everything.”

“Natural selection may explain the survival of
the fittest, but it cannot explain the arrival
of the fittest.”

Mutations do not spontaneously create new and better
physical traits; they destroy the fine-tuned intricacy of
the genes God originally created.

The probability of life originating from accident is comparable
to the probability of the Unabridged Dictionary resulting from
an explosion in a printing factory.

Kind Reproduces Kind

God gave humanity a mind that transcends the
abilities of any creature in the physical realm.
A mind even capable of questioning its own existence.

It would take more blind faith to believe my mind could
have developed from a tiny subatomic particle.
 
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Just because you haven't seen or will not acknowledge the evidence doesn't mean there isn't any.

The phrase “theory of evolution” confuses many people
since scientists specifically refer to it as fact.

Why then is it not called the “fact of evolution”?
It is. Evolution is a fact. Life has developed and diversified since it began. The theory of evolution is an explanation for that fact--all in accord with the definition of 'theory' you posted.

At best, evolution is a hypothesis. Unproven and without
“correspondence with fact,” it stands as an idea scientists
seem desperate to substantiate, though they remain
unable to do so.
It is substantiated. Too bad you are not interested in finding out how.


We really don't need these creationist one-liners. they all misrepresent what the theory of evolution claims.

Yet you have no trouble believing that your mind developed from a handful of dust.
 
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Yet you have no trouble believing that your mind developed from a handful of dust.

I believe God said he put "the spirt in man" into all Humans.
This is what makes mans brains far superior to any animal ever.

This is something science book will never tell you.
God said we where made in His image, in his likeness.
 
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I believe God said he put "the spirt in man" into all Humans.
This is what makes mans brains far superior to any animal ever.

This is something science book will never tell you.
God said we where made in His image, in his likeness.
That's because a science book can only tell us how our physical bodies came about. Not where our immortal soul comes from.
 
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That's because a science book can only tell us how our physical bodies came about. Not where our immortal soul comes from.
How do they explain the vast difference between
man and animals brain output ?
 
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