I fight with evil inside

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

You can never be sure what happens in their hearts. Or, more fighteningly, once they die. God promises that they will be punished.

Gee thanks, that makes Moriah feel so much better. Not.

 

[SiyoNqoba]

I'm sorry for making you feel that way. But do you want God to "take responsibility," to "set them straight," or not? You asked why He doesn't do either of those things, I was merely trying to assure you that it's not as if they'll get away with it.

Remorse is punishment in itself, I feel. The good news is that God's mercy is free.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I'm sorry for making you feel that way. But do you want God to "take responsibility," to "set them straight," or not? You asked why He doesn't do either of those things, I was merely trying to assure you that it's not as if they'll get away with it.

It has no interest in seeing them destroyed for eternity over it. Its interest lies strictly in seeing Him hold Himself accountable and doing something about it. Setting them straight would be a good start, answering prayers wouldn't hurt, taking responsibility for what Christianity becomes as a faith would really be what we bes after here. He has allowed it to become polluted, and as a result, the wellsprings of life have been tainted with foul miasmic poison. To then condemn people for seeing this and wanting to dig their own cisterns just bes wrong.

 

[Ariel]

But scripture says He lives IN them, and that bes the essence of the whole conversion / salvation / new birth thing. It says HE bes the ONE head for the whole body, do you know of any body not controlled by the head, even down to the very unconscious functions? Moriah does not.

So you think, Moriah, that once a person becomes a Christian they should be a robot, forced to do good, with no choice?

That is not so. God never violates the human will. We always have a choice.

Of course, this means that people who are God's can choose to do wrong. They can still sin. They can even do evil, despicable things.

Or they can choose to obey God. Jesus said that if we love Him we will obey Him, John 14:15. Notice we have a choice to do good, and we do it out of love.

We are never forced. Satan takes away free will, but God does not.

This is God's love for us, we can always choose.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

So you think, Moriah, that once a person becomes a Christian they should be a robot, forced to do good, with no choice?

Did Moriah say that? No, Moriah did not. So what would motivate you to want to pretend it did? Why would you twist someone else's words to serve your purposes?

Do you think no change happens to people when they "become saved?" If so, why bother? If not, if a change does happen, what would be its nature? Moriah does not have to answer to illogical and irrational interrogatories such as this. Your religion and its god (not Moriah) have for hundreds of years claimed to be absolute incontrovertible no-escape-from-it truth and thus both have much to answer for. Do you deny that scripture states all believers to be members of one Body, His Body, which has One Head, Himself? Do you deny that salvation bes supposed to result in some type of transformation? If someone had been a thief, for example, and came to your church saying he'd "gotten saved" does that mean pilfering from the collection pan would be just fine Christian behavior showing how "saved" he really bes, then?

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot slam and clamp down the law and obedience and all these other despicable shackles, fetters and chains on the one hand on the least of the least of these binding us with heavy burdens grievous to be borne and then on the other hand turn around and exonerate everyone else for every heinous, despicable, stupid, cruel, ignorant, piece of garbage thing they do and just blow it off because "God doesn't interfere with free will." Yeah funny thing about that supposed "non-interference with free will" crap -- it's one sided and only works in one direction. He refuses to interfere when it means saving lives, but He's perfectly willing to interfere with it when it means punishment, torture and killing. And not just Him with His little sadistic eternal torture chamber called 'hell' but his followers too, throughout history -- trying to force adherence to their preferences by everyone using torture, death, and war.

Yeah REAL FUNNY how that works.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

When you gets inhabited you don't have any more choice.

 

[Ariel]

When you gets inhabited you don't have any more choice.

That is what Satan wants you to believe, but that is not true.

You CAN ask Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Savior.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Yes. You can ASK. If you want to be in for a world of hurt.

Ariel, doesn't Recovery have rules about triggering others on purpose? Perhaps you don't know what happens to Moriah when you keep shoving this choice and free will crap in its face. It constitutes a major trigger, like dancing around telling someone in a wheelchair they could really walk if they wanted to badly enough. You don't have to agree with or even understand this, but it constitutes a severe trigger and constantly pushing it bes NOT helpful AT ALL.

Please stop it.

 

[over the rainbow]

x

 

[Ariel]

please stop fighting i dont want you to fight i dont want you to be mad please stop please stop im sorry they didnt mean to talk about evil please stop

Don't worry, lifewanderer, I am not going to fight with Moriah.

Be blessed, we are going to keep the peace.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Thank you, Ariel, sincerely.

It does not believe you intended harm, for what that bes worth.

Dispersion shall be our noble sacrifice.

Sshhh.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Lifewanderer, Moriah feels concerned about the rate of acceleration in your consciousness blending. Although admittedly your interpretations can get rather creative, nevertheless ... it feels concerned.

 

[hogndog]

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Your only alone if you want to be haven't you figured that out yet?

hogndog

 

[over the rainbow]

x

 

[over the rainbow]

x

 

[Catherineanne]

I understand everyone's wanting to stay far away. Believe me, if I could leave this mess of whatever I am, I would run screaming too.

I'm sorry. I wish I could be anybody or anything else.

Sigh.

I am trying to listen. Please tell me if I have not understood. This is what I have heard:

Cynthia has eyes, and the others see through her eyes. She has a job, working with children. She is an adult, and is a part of the real world, but she cannot touch anyone. Cynthia is afraid of the Bible, of God, of Satan and of Chantelle. Talk about God triggers her fears, and disconnects her, and Jessica comes to protect her.

Cynthia, there is no reason to be afraid here. You are with friends.

Allison is who is seen in the mirror. A reflection. She can touch the others. She is hurt, cold, scared and very sorry.

I am sorry you are hurting, Allison. It was not your fault; none of it was your fault. You did your best, always. I am sorry you are cold, and scared.

Jessica is invisible. She is very, very hurt. She is hated, lonely, invisible. She can see, but cannot be seen. She is angry, and she is jealous of those who are seen. Jessica is a child. She blames herself for what happened. She hates herself, and thinks she is a loser, and a failure. Jessica can yell, and good for her!! Jessica is a protector, even though I think she is very, very young. I may be wrong, but I think she is young.

Jessica, I don't know if hugs are safe for you, but this is a safe hug; the kind you get from a big squishy teddy bear. I know that you are there, but I will not see you if you want to stay invisible for a while, but this hug is for you. If you want to know what this hug feels like, take a warm blanket and wrap it round you, nice and cosy and warm, so nobody can see you, and nobody can touch you. You are safe. (((((((Jessica)))))))

Chantelle is a teenager, and can be seen by teenagers. She likes talking about God, and is the one who wanted to come here, and talk here. Chantelle scares Cynthia. Adults are often afraid of teenage rebellion.

Chantelle, you are very brave, and I commend you for that. Keep going; you are doing well.

I don't know if there are any others, but I look forward to meeting them, if there are. Altogether they make up one very formidable, very resourceful, very beautiful young lady. If this post is too frightening for any of you, say so and I will delete it.

Within each one of us is the baby, the young child, the older child, the teenager; each of the people we have been, and still remain. Within me, each of these has the same name, which is no name at all; that which is me has no name. But they are all here, within me. They are all a part of who I have become, whatever that is.

Peace be with you all.

 

[Criada]

Allison, you are welcome here, and you have done nothing wrong
You are all welcome here.. we may not always understand, but we can listen, and we can pray.
You are loved
And any time you want to talk, I am here, ok?
God bless you.

 

[over the rainbow]

x

 

[Criada]

Thank you for sharing that.. it helps us understand a little more... and I am very glad that there is a counselor helping you.
I am sorry you have had such a horrible time.
You *are* safe here
God bless you

 

[Catherineanne]

Now I know I'm really gonna get in trouble with everybody. I'm sorry.

Allison

Thank you, Allison. That really helps, and you are not in trouble. I am even more astounded at your courage, your resilience and your strength. I know you think you are broken and hurt, but more than that, you have survived the most appalling abuses, from the very people who should have helped you most. I could see that Jessica had been hurt the most, at the youngest age, but the rest was not clear.

I have myself struggled to find the kind of language that will help you, and connect with you. If it is the language of angels, then that is good - we can speak of them. I also have a safe place to go, where there are angels.

Thank you for explaining. I will try to unravel what I can, in order to get to know everyone who is a part of you. You are certainly worth getting to know, and a wonderful person. I am very reassured to hear that you are not alone, and that you are getting the help you need. That means that we can be friends, if you want, and I don't have to worry about you so much, which is very good.

May the angels be with each one of you, and protect you all.