I don't like the direction where society is going

[Caleb P]

Well you do realize that before Jesus comes back, all the world will turn against G-d. I mean this is fundamental to what the entire book revelation is about, right?

So... if the world was getting better and better, and all the nations were turning to G-d.... I would have to wonder if the Bible was lying....

Or, I would have to assume that Jesus isn't coming back for a long time... and honestly that would be terrible.

If I had to be honest, I want Jesus to come back as soon as possible. Life hasn't been all that great for me, so the better he comes back and we're out of here.... the better. So watching society self destruct doesn't bother me that much. I just take it that it means the return of the Lord is coming.

That’s very depressing and cynical. I believe there’s so much more for us to do on this earth, so much more technology we can develop and universe we can explore and learn about it. I’m hoping for a resurgence in Christian values, this generation lacks meaning in life and I’m hoping they go to church to fill the emptiness in their lives.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Just saying that anyone who wants the 50s to return would quickly change their tune if they were African American during that time.

The 50s were better for everyone — especially Blacks.

Not being torn limb from limb by the abortionist's tools of torture.

Far more likely to have 2 parents in their home.

Many more times less likely to be shot and killed in gang wars.

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The Black Family Is Worse Off Today Than In the 1960’s, Report Shows. The Black Family Is Worse Off Today Than In the 1960's, Report Shows - Your Black World

 

[CodyR4]

That’s very depressing and cynical. I believe there’s so much more for us to do on this earth, so much more technology we can develop and universe we can explore and learn about it. I’m hoping for a resurgence in Christian values, this generation lacks meaning in life and I’m hoping they go to church to fill the emptiness in their lives.

there will be a resurgence, it wont come peacefully, the faith is in a state of moral decay, there will be a war and violence after which the church will make a comeback, it happened during the fall of rome, muslim invasions, etc.

 

[CodyR4]

That’s very depressing and cynical. I believe there’s so much more for us to do on this earth, so much more technology we can develop and universe we can explore and learn about it. I’m hoping for a resurgence in Christian values, this generation lacks meaning in life and I’m hoping they go to church to fill the emptiness in their lives.

there will be a resurgence, it wont come peacefully, the faith is in a state of moral decay, there will be a war and violence after which the church will make a comeback, it happened during the fall of rome, muslim invasions, etc.

 

[Strathos]

The 50s were better for everyone — especially Blacks.

Not being torn limb from limb by the abortionist's tools of torture.

Far more likely to have 2 parents in their home.

Many more times less likely to be shot and killed in gang wars.

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The Black Family Is Worse Off Today Than In the 1960’s, Report Shows. The Black Family Is Worse Off Today Than In the 1960's, Report Shows - Your Black World

That's incredibly ahistoric and ignorant.

 

[Gideons300]

there will be a resurgence, it wont come peacefully, the faith is in a state of moral decay, there will be a war and violence after which the church will make a comeback, it happened during the fall of rome, muslim invasions, etc.

Cody, I believe you are spot on. The wheat must be separated from the chaff and the winds of tribulation will do the separating. God's church will be prepared for the wedding feast approaching, but what we see as the church is going to be shaken until only what is light remains.

The question we must all ask ourselves is...

Do I love Jesus or myself more?

There cannot be two kings ruling over us for a kingdom divided will not stand. Now is the time we must search our hearts and contend for the faith that was one
ce delivered unto the saints.

The time for sleeping is over. We are commanded to awake to righteousness and sin not. And if we do not know how to do that, it is time we cried out to our Heavenly Father to do in us what we could never do. He alone can change us and set us free indeed, but.... we must want it with all of our hearts.

Excellent post with much wisdom. You are blessed.

Gideon

 

[Nick Moser]

In my generation I think I'm a pretty odd one. I am in my 20s my first decade as an adult, but I don't like the 2010s world and wish I was at that age during the 50s to early-90s. I feel like it's reached near disaster point and society won't recover not even 20 or 30 years back. I don't have a really bright feeling about all the technology that will change everything and who we are either, even though I use some of it myself. It would've been nicer to grow up when tech was more simple and primitive, and there was a better window to improve things. Like God says "Oh I'm sorry I can't fix it even though your ancestors before you screwed it all up", I have lately become very militant about my point of view.

I think we need to go further back

 

[Arbown]

Just saying that anyone who wants the 50s to return would quickly change their tune if they were African American during that time.

Not necessarily, blacks had intact families back then. I have heard a few quietly admit they wish they had lived during the time before the communists ripped it a part.

 

[Strathos]

Not necessarily, blacks had intact families back then. I have heard a few quietly admit they wish they had lived during the time before the communists ripped it a part.

Communism was a major world power in the 50s, but is virtually irrelevant today.

 

[Danigt22]

In my generation I think I'm a pretty odd one. I am in my 20s my first decade as an adult, but I don't like the 2010s world and wish I was at that age during the 50s to early-90s. I feel like it's reached near disaster point and society won't recover not even 20 or 30 years back. I don't have a really bright feeling about all the technology that will change everything and who we are either, even though I use some of it myself. It would've been nicer to grow up when tech was more simple and primitive, and there was a better window to improve things. Like God says "Oh I'm sorry I can't fix it even though your ancestors before you screwed it all up", I have lately become very militant about my point of view.

You are called to be the salt of the world. The worlds spirit alway has opossed Gods spirit. No matter the time it would be the same.

 

[LovesOurLord]

You wish it was like the 50s?

Let me guess, you're white, right?

I would call this race baiting if not racist. Jim Crow was not everything in this country and it was practiced in the south. He was clearly referring to the lower divorce rates, lower out of wedlock birth rates, the higher church attendance rates and that a man with a high school diploma could earn enough to support a family on one income, etc.

You have quite the chip on your shoulder that you felt the need to spring on a guy for wishing society was still that way.

 

[LovesOurLord]

Communism was a major world power in the 50s, but is virtually irrelevant today.

Oh? We have one favored to win the DNC nomination.

 

[LovesOurLord]

You are called to be the salt of the world. The worlds spirit alway has opossed Gods spirit. No matter the time it would be the same.

No we had a much healthier family unit back then and far fewer people were atheists. We also didn't have the atheistic, anti-Christian influence in government we have today. Bernie Sanders, besides being a Marxist, has openly stated that he thinks Bible-believing Christians should be barred from public office because the teachings of Christ are not inclusive enough.

 

[Strathos]

Oh? We have one favored to win the DNC nomination.

No we don't. Please educate yourself on what communism actually is.

 

[LovesOurLord]

No we don't. Please educate yourself on what communism actually is.

I used to be a communist. Bernie Sanders belonged to a revolutionary Marxist political party. He's also anti-Christian and put a religious litmus test (unconstitutional) on a Christian presidential appointee and declared him unfit for office because he believes in the biblical teaching on salvation. He also wants more funding for abortion mills. Maybe you should educate yourself on Bernie's historical comments and associations and look up in the dictionary what socialism is? He's never called himself a liberal capitalist.

 

[Strathos]

I used to be a communist.

No you didn't. Considering that you seem to make the common mistake of defining 'communist' as 'any policy I don't like'.

Studying political history makes communism easy to identify. None of the major party candidates in the US are communist.

Bernie Sanders belonged to a revolutionary Marxist political party.

Define 'Marxist' in your own words.

He's also anti-Christian and put a religious litmus test (unconstitutional) on a Christian presidential appointee and declared him unfit for office because he believes in the biblical teaching on salvation.

No he didn't.

BTW, equating democratic socialism with communism is as ridiculous as equating American conservatism with the fascism of Mussolini.

Communist states:

- Vietnam
- Laos
- Cuba
- China

Democratic socialist states:

- Sweden
- Norway
- Denmark
- The Netherlands

If you don't understand the qualitative difference, perhaps this will help.

(BTW I am not saying that I am 100% behind Bernie, I am just correcting your statements about him).

 

[LovesOurLord]

No you didn't. Considering that you seem to make the common mistake of defining 'communist' as 'any policy I don't like'.

Misquoting me and calling me a liar, eh? Show me where I've called any policy I don't like communism.

Studying political history makes communism easy to identify. None of the major party candidates in the US are communist.

This isn't a defense of your view and no scholar would ignore the dictionary and pretend that socialism is anything other than abolition of private property which is an extremely unbiblical concept.

Define 'Marxist' in your own words.

My words of what a Marxist is has nothing to do with that Sanders worked with a Marxist political party in the 80s and visited several socialist countries during that period and referred to them as socialist countries. He visited Cuba, Nicaragua, and the USSR. He did not visit Scandinavia. If you know anything about Sanders then you know what party I refer to that Sanders worked with. To this day it's openly Marxist and unlike Sanders, doesn't wrap itself in benign, disarming adjectives.

No he didn't.

Yep, he did. You don't seem to have done your homework on Sanders. I just posted the video above proving he did, you didn't watch it and deny it without a rebuttal defending your position. Here it is again:

BTW, equating democratic socialism with communism is as ridiculous as equating American conservatism with the fascism of Mussolini.

"Democratic socialism" is a misnomer. Socialism of any stripe is anticapitalist as Bernie has said. If taxation on a capitalist economy spent on infrastructure and healthcare was socialism, the US would already be a socialist country.

I don't think you'd accept someone formerly a Nazi who continues to compliment Hitler who said he disavows the violence and is a "democratic fascist" instead.

Ignoring the dictionary is the single largest act of folly a person can do.

Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Hence, the Scandinavian countries aren't socialist because their economies are not collectivist and the means of production is in private hands.

Lastly, I'd like to know how old you are. I have a hard time thinking anyone raised in the 20th century is this confused about what socialism is.

 

[Albion]

Folks. This forum is about conservative, i.e. traditional, CHRISTIANITY--not conservative politics or what someone doesn't like about political conservatism.

 

[Strathos]

Misquoting me and calling me a liar, eh? Show me where I've called any policy I don't like communism.

I didn't say you did. I said that you seem to make the same kinds of arguments as people who define it that way.

This isn't a defense of your view and no scholar would ignore the dictionary and pretend that socialism is anything other than abolition of private property which is an extremely unbiblical concept.

First of all, that's a non-sequitur. We were talking about communism, not socialism. Believe it or not, there is a big difference.

Second of all, socialism is not defined as 'the abolition of public property'. That can be part of the definition for certain extremist varieties, but that is equivocation. Please show me where Mr. Sanders has advocating for such a thing, or for the government to own the means of production.

My words of what a Marxist is has nothing to do with that Sanders worked with a Marxist political party in the 80s and visited several socialist countries during that period and referred to them as socialist countries. He visited Cuba, Nicaragua, and the USSR. He did not visit Scandinavia. If you know anything about Sanders then you know what party I refer to that Sanders worked with. To this day it's openly Marxist and unlike Sanders, doesn't wrap itself in benign, disarming adjectives.

You completely ignored my request. If you 'used to be a communist' as you say, and you are such an expert on Marxism, you should be able to tell me what it is. So please, define what it means, by your understanding. Because we can't very well discuss a topic if we don't share a solid definition of it.

Yep, he did. You don't seem to have done your homework on Sanders. I just posted the video above proving he did, you didn't watch it and deny it without a rebuttal defending your position. Here it is again:

*snip*

This might be news to you, but you can be a Christian without condemning everyone belonging to any other religion.

Sanders Didn't Call Christianity Insulting

If there was a Muslim nominee for some office, and he was on the record as saying that Christianity was wrong and all Christians were false and hell-bound, would you attack anyone who voted against him?

"Democratic socialism" is a misnomer. Socialism of any stripe is anticapitalist as Bernie has said. If taxation on a capitalist economy spent on infrastructure and healthcare was socialism, the US would already be a socialist country.

I don't think you'd accept someone formerly a Nazi who continues to compliment Hitler who said he disavows the violence and is a "democratic fascist" instead.

This is a black and white fallacy. Politics is a spectrum. It's not Hitler, Stalin, and nothing in-between.

Ignoring the dictionary is the single largest act of folly a person can do.

Definition of socialism

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Hence, the Scandinavian countries aren't socialist because their economies are not collectivist and the means of production is in private hands.

Then I guess your real problem is that you feel that the label that Bernie has attached to his policies is inaccurate. If you look at his actual platform, it doesn't advocate any of those things. Yet somehow he is a 'communist'.

Lastly, I'd like to know how old you are. I have a hard time thinking anyone raised in the 20th century is this confused about what socialism is.

What Mr. Sanders refers to as Democratic Socialism is the kind of government policies employed by the Nordic countries I previously mentioned. If you think that it's a misnomer and should be called something else, then fine, but I don't see how that supports your claim that he is a communist.

 

[Strathos]

Folks. This forum is about conservative, i.e. traditional, CHRISTIANITY--not conservative politics or what someone doesn't like about political conservatism.

I'm sorry, I didn't see this until now. I'll try not to derail the thread any further.