I don't care if you think abortion is wrong.

[Calliso]

As the mother of two children adopted through the foster care system, who yes btw were both special needs, I'd have to disagree. See avatar picture to see just how "perfect" they are.



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I never said that no one adopts them, and that is great that you did. But you have to understand your the minority, so are my parents for the fact that they adopted an interacial girl.

 

[Lisa0315]

Since we're all "former unborn humans" I would think that it really isn't needed to bring this up. *grin*
I am glad that you found a loving home to adopt you. I know many wonderful people who have been adopted, and hope to adopt myself someday. It's always wonderful to hear good stories about people who have been adopted, since the news basically only shows people the horror stories!
But we all have our trials, too.
And many Pro-Choicers don't really understand the opinions of Pro-Lifers. Personally, I think it's because we each look at a different human in the equation first - Pro-Choicers think about what the pregnant woman must be going through, then consider the unborn human - Pro-Lifers think about the unborn human, then think about the pregnant woman.

There's really a lot involved in the issue of abortion. But, I feel, it comes down to the Right to Bodily Integrity and the Right to Life. Each side feels that one of these rights trumps the other, and we can't come to an agreement on which should "win". And either right "winning" could have major consequences in all aspects of society.
Sort of an aside (like anything I've said hasn't been *wink*), but I really find the term "anti-choice" offensive. I feel that you might also, though I know that some people who are Pro-Life don't find it that way. I think that it's important for both sides to try to treat the other with respect, which is why I use the "positive" of "Pro-Choice" and "Pro-Life". I think that calling either side by a term that isn't the preferred one is just a put down, personally.
Personally, I feel you're oversimplifying the matter. Far more women in this country choose to keep their pregnancies than to abort, so plenty of children are still being born.

It sort of horrifies me to think that some people would take away the right of pregnant women to control their own bodies, by having the government force them to remain pregnant. I know how horrible it is to have someone force me to give up control of my own body (so, of course, I'm pretty biased on the matter), and it isn't something that I would wish on anyone. To me, that is the bottom line - I feel it is unethical for the government (or anyone else) to take away the right to control one's own body from anyone, even with the best of intentions.
And yet the Bible does not once condemn abortion (it even says that God used it - against unborn "first-born" sons of Egypt). So we don't really know exactly how Jesus would have felt about abortion (since it seems that different Christians do feel different ways about the matter - and we can assume that most of them have discussed the matter with God).

I just want to address one of your points. Even if God takes the life of a fetus, we are not God. We are not the Creator. We should not be the ones that end life.

Lisa

 

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Since we're all "former unborn humans" I would think that it really isn't needed to bring this up. *grin*

Actually this is the most salient point.

*grin*

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Actually this is the most salient point.

*grin*

we are also all former eggs and sperm... does that make periods or male masturbation the same as "killing"?

 

[LonesomeTexan]

could someone please explain to me how abortion is protected under the fourth amendment? the Roe V. Wade decision is perhaps one of the most disturbing supreme court decisions in US history. How our founding document could be interpreted the way the court ruled is beyond me.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

could someone please explain to me how abortion is protected under the fourth amendment? the Roe V. Wade decision is perhaps one of the most disturbing supreme court decisions in US history. How our founding document could be interpreted the way the court ruled is beyond me.

guess what? They have abortion in other countries too!

 

[LonesomeTexan]

we are also all former eggs and sperm... does that make periods or male masturbation the same as "killing"?

a women's period and male nocturnal emissions happen naturally. I don't see how you could draw a conclusion like this. especially since we aren't a cannot develope into a complete human until egg and sperm come together.

 

[LonesomeTexan]

guess what? They have abortion in other countries too!

the point is, it should be up to individual states to decide the legality of abortion. that being said, I'm all for legislation banning abortion nationwide.

 

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we are also all former eggs and sperm... does that make periods or male masturbation the same as "killing"?

Since there wasn't a human being involved, no.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

a women's period and male nocturnal emissions happen naturally. I don't see how you could draw a conclusion like this. especially since we aren't a cannot develope into a complete human until egg and sperm come together.

abortions happen naturally too. of all fertilised eggs, only 11% will ever be carried to term.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

the point is, it should be up to individual states to decide the legality of abortion. that being said, I'm all for legislation banning abortion nationwide.

that whole "abortions happen in other countries too" just kinda bounced off your parochialism, didn't it?

 

[IzzyPop]

the point is, it should be up to individual states to decide the legality of abortion. that being said, I'm all for legislation banning abortion nationwide.

The cognitive dissonance in that statement actually made me laugh. Wow.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Since there wasn't a human being involved, no.

There isn't a human being involved in abortions either

 

[Lisa0315]

There isn't a human being involved in abortions either

Medically, yes there is. Legally, no. Which one do you think God looks at?

Lisa

 

[LonesomeTexan]

abortions happen naturally too. of all fertilised eggs, only 11% will ever be carried to term.

miscarriage and abortion are two different issues. one happens accidentally and one happens forcefully.

that whole "abortions happen in other countries too" just kinda bounced off your parochialism, didn't it?

I cannot control what other nations decide on the legality of abortion. I feel a greater responsibility to my own country because I am a citizen of the USA. It would be great to combat abortion worldwide, but I feel as though we have to take care of it on the home front first.

 

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There isn't a human being involved in abortions either

I consider a human being to be in existence when its genome is complete and it is growing. That you choose other subjective benchmarks is your problem. Sadly its also the problem of thousands of killed human beings as well.

 

[LonesomeTexan]

The cognitive dissonance in that statement actually made me laugh. Wow.

first, I'd like to see Roe V. Wade overturned. This would bring power back to the states to determine the legality of abortion. Second, with good time, I would like to see an amendment to the constitution protecting the rights of the unborn. It took federal action for the civil rights movement. It will take federal action to ensure the unborn get their chance at life in all 50 states.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Medically, yes there is. Legally, no. Which one do you think God looks at?

Lisa

I don't think God regards you as a human being until you are capable of regarding yourself as anything

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I consider a human being to be in existence when its genome is complete and it is growing. That you choose other subjective benchmarks is your problem. Sadly its also the problem of thousands of killed human beings as well.

So... the instant the egg is fertilised, you consider it a human being?

 

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So... the instant the egg is fertilised, you consider it a human being?

Yes.

Why is that wrong? That's when a human being begins. When we start to grow as an individual organism.

I don't get why there's any dispute about this, especially coming from the science community. Life begins at conception. This is a truism!