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You say that as though it's a fact and we're too thick-headed to get it. It is not a fact, it is an opinion. Your opinion, not mine.
Slavery harms an actual person, abortion harms an actual person.
That, my friend, is my OPINION. Try to be honest enough to present your opinions as what they are rather than facts.
Peace out.
.......I don't think that anyone has any right to tell others what to do. Only a woman who is considering abortion and may be her family can have say in it. Christian right should stay out of people's lives and stop trying to tell us what to do. You don't talk out of experience, you don't even talk out of compassion, trust me the last thing you are concerned about is woman's life and health. But the bunch of cells and tissues is so much more valuable then an actual human being. There is nothing moral in being "pro - life", because the same fundies are either pro - war or death penalty. Male fundies shouldn't say anything before you think this issue through, not from the *biblical* point of view. You will never be in this situation so how do you know that you are right. Don't you dare and call US hypocrites before you get a good look at the bigger picture. Don't you dare and try to control our lives.
And when we force slave owning, the comparison will be valid. As it stands, however, England is just as anti-choice as the North.And when we force to abort, the comparison will be valid. As it stands, however, China is just as anti-choice as the pro-life crowd.
Whether it hurts you personally doesn't affect its morality. The genocide in Darfur probably doesn't hurt you in the least, but that doesn't mean that it's OK.
I'm strongly pro-choice, but I think there are much better arguments than "Don't like abortion? Don't get one."
I have heard often that nobody is actual pro-abortion, they are just pro-choice. Guess who said this:But you know what's strange about that argument, is that since I've volunteered at PP for awhile now, I've met women who consider themselves against abortions, but they were getting them anyways.
I have heard often that nobody is actual pro-abortion, they are just pro-choice. Guess who said this:
"I believe we can all recognize that abortion in many ways represents a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women."
Doesn't sound very pro-abortion to me. It was said by Sen. Clinton speaking to NY family planning providers in 2005. It reflects the inner paradox for many pro-choice advocates. Although they don't like the thought of abortion personally, they believe it is not their choice but that it should be a choice for the person affected. For those who oppose abortion until they are presented with that "sad, even tragic choice", I can understand how the paradox is especially profound for them. It is a similar thing that presents itself to a pacifist who all of a sudden is presented with the thought of chosing between killing or having a loved one killed. All bets are off when it becomes personal.
How bout you stay the hell out of the unborn childs life and his right to life..The unborn child has a right to live like anyone else. If you say different then you obviously don't respect the value of human life..And if you don't respect human life then you are immoral, cold hearted, and ignorant..The Pro-lifers are fighting for the voice of the child, which the mother and doctor ignore, and has no right to ignore. Since the unborn child does not consent to being ripped apart by a doctor it is done against its will which is a dastardly violent act..Shame on anyone who would do such a thing. An unborn child hasn't hurt anyone, they are innocent, and they deserve all the respect and right to live as does anyone else..
And yes abortion does hurt people. Forcing tax payers their money to fund abortions. It corrodes the moral structure of society, which increases crime and child abuse..Abortion is an act of violence and child abuse, and any increase of those 2 things does affect society and could lead to even worse things..
In the US and a few other countrys. In lotsa other countrys its illegal,,, does that mean its murder in those countrys?? Is the US law your universal moral code??
The world is the culture of death, so its normal for the percentage to be great. The road to destruction is wide and MANY follow it.. percentages don't mean anything, all it does is show us how many people are deceieved by the culture of death in this world. Christ showed us that many people are not going to heaven but only a very few..
A 16 year old girl is unexpectedly pregnant. She, her boyfried, her parents and her doctor have spent many agonizing hours in careful discussion of all the options, and decide on abortion, suddenly the phone rings.
Caller: Hi, I'm the Christian Right! Just calling to let you know you can't have an abortions.
Girl: Umm... why not?
Caller: Because we don't like it.
Girl: So? It's not your baby, it's not your family, it's not your decision...
Caller: Well too bad, I've never met you before and you live thousands of miles away from me, but I feel I have a right to compel people to follow my moral precepts above their own.
Girl: You do realize that this decision has absolutely nothing to do with you right? That there is no possible way my having an abortion would effect you negatively right?
Caller: Oh I understand that perfectly, still, I find your behavior, which has no effect on me whatsoever, distasteful, so no, you can't do it.
Girl:...
Caller: Ok bye now! God bless.
Listen, Pro-lifers, we KNOW that you don't like abortion, So here's what you can do. You can choose not to have abortions and you can teach your children that abortion is morally wrong. Stay the hell out of the rest of our lives. If were not hurting you, you have NO. RIGHT. WHAT. SO. EVER. to attempt to control what we do. An abortion is a serious decision and the only people that should weigh in on it are the ones directly effected by it, and the doctor. I don't care if you think it's immoral, you have no logical justification for intervention on this one. Stay the hell out.
Wow - playing the race card. Nice! So, let's see if I get what you are saying. Fundimentalist pro-life Christians are fine spending their time and money trying to prevent non-white women from having abortions but turn their backs on non-white women who decide to have their babies. Have any support for that? Last time I looked, all those Christian run unwed mother shelters, chrisis pregnancy centers, and single mother programs weren't hanging "for whites only" signs on their doors. And I have heard no evidence, empirical or anecdotal, that non-white mothers are greated at the door with a mockingly polite "sorry sweety, we don't serve your kind here".
Wow - that's quite an conspiracy theory. Got any proof?When fake antiabortion 'crisis pregnancy centers" have women in their clutches they pry to try to find out the race of the man who got the woman pregnant. If he's white they try to adopt the fetus. If not they refer her to child welfare.
Actually, all abortion is "birth control" in that it ends pregnancy and so controls birth.In other threads I've viewed, people have mentioned abortion that is performed because of rape, danger to the mother, or babies that have problems such as downs syndrome or defects. But isn't the majority of abortion really performed as a method of birth control?
Is that right, pal? See the symbols for those 8 kids in my posts? They're native American. I'm not. Some racist I am.I don't know a thing about you pal, but your insecurity about it is quite telling.
Slavery is not the business of anyone other than the slaveholder. The idea the slave is a "person" is a work of fiction.Abortion is not the business of anyone other than the woman. The idea a fetus is a "child" is a work of fiction.
A Heaven that excludes people for abortion, or any other petty reason for which the religious right hates people, presuppises an evil god and a worthless heaven. Such a heaven has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with hate. No one worth a fig would want to go there.
Slavery is not the business of anyone other than the slaveholder. The idea the slave is a "person" is a work of fiction.
A Heaven that excludes people for slavery, or any other petty reason for which the religious right hates people, presuppis(sic) an evil god and a worthless heaven. Such a heaven has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with hate. No one worth a fig would want to go there.
You know Lynn, it would be to your own benefit to consider the principles in this paper when posting:
http://www.numbersusa.com/about/eth_extremes.html
Is that right, pal? See the symbols for those 8 kids in my posts? They're native American. I'm not. Some racist I am.
And it was you who implied that pro-lifers only care about white babies. And I am a pro-lifer. So you did call me a racist. Are you going to let that assertion stand? I won't be at all surprised if you do. I have a pretty good bead on you too, bud.
Please explain exactly who the "religious right" is and "how" you can justify the statement that they hate people.
Thank you.
Wow - that's quite an conspiracy theory. Got any proof?
Slavery is not the business of anyone other than the slaveholder. The idea the slave is a "person" is a work of fiction.
A Heaven that excludes people for slavery, or any other petty reason for which the religious right hates people, presuppis(sic) an evil god and a worthless heaven. Such a heaven has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with hate. No one worth a fig would want to go there.
You know Lynn, it would be to your own benefit to consider the principles in this paper when posting:
http://www.numbersusa.com/about/eth_extremes.html
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