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in any jurisdiction where abortion is classed as murder, then its murder. anywhere it isn't, then it isn't.
If he is in the girl's circle of support or the father, then he would have every right to have a say in it. If not, then the same applies to him as every not previously mentioned. None of our business.
No. The potential does not outweigh the actual.
And you are placing women into the roll of unwilling incubators. Which would make you cold hearted, immoral, and ignorant. You have no idea what is going on in this person's life. Only that you feel that the fetus in more important than the woman.
Wrong. You are fighting to make women less than men. You are fighting to enforce your morals upon others. You are fighting to bring us into fascism.
And to be just as silly as you are being:
Right. You wouldn't happen to have any statistics on that one, would you? I'm pretty sure that, given the political climate over the past 8 years, no abortion clinics are provided with tax dollars.
Really? Go read Freakanomics. He has some really interesting things to say about how abortion has had an effect on our society. Like lowering the crime rate and such. Interesting stuff.
Probably.
The irony in this sentence is absolutely delicious. You are asking others about how their morality is universal? Right after you have just shoved your own down our throats? Hy-freaking-sterical!!
It was an either/or statement. In Australia, it's not illegal, but whether or not it's ethical is a different matter. I'm just saying that IF it's unethical -and I believe that it usually is- then whether you think it's fine or not, doesn't change that fact.
Yeah, that's the only option people have.
Did you think before you typed that?
And you know this how? Because of all the dumpster babies out there? Your argument is ridiculous. Unwanted children are given up for adoption the vast majority of the time. I've only ever hear of a child abandoned at birth by teen moms trying to hide their condition from their parents. And that's so exceedingly rare that its national news when it occurs. Let's keep our arguments confined to the real world, yes?
I think its unethical in most cases too... but I also think using emotive terms like "murder" inappropriately, in a deliberate attempt to derail discussion is unethical as well.
What?
I've never done anything of the sort. an unborn child is certainly HUMAN, I merely question the veracity of calling it a PERSON before it is self aware... and red herring all you like, that doesn't change the fact that murder is a legal term, not an ethical one.
Wow - playing the race card. Nice! So, let's see if I get what you are saying. Fundimentalist pro-life Christians are fine spending their time and money trying to prevent non-white women from having abortions but turn their backs on non-white women who decide to have their babies. Have any support for that? Last time I looked, all those Christian run unwed mother shelters, chrisis pregnancy centers, and single mother programs weren't hanging "for whites only" signs on their doors. And I have heard no evidence, empirical or anecdotal, that non-white mothers are greated at the door with a mockingly polite "sorry sweety, we don't serve your kind here".
