I don't believe in evolution... (2)

[Lion Hearted Man]

Yes.

Atheists spend a lot of time and effort to try to destroy the Christian Religion, in order to justify their unbelief.

Wow. Ok, how about the Westboro Baptist Church?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Genocide is killing without just cause.

Execution is killing for a just cause, following a jury trial or following a Declaration of War, both of which represent the congregation agreeing there was just cause.

Genocide actually means killing a specific cultural or ethnic group. So yeah, you're advocating genocide.

 

[Skavau]

Genocide is killing without just cause.

Execution is killing for a just cause, following a jury trial or following a Declaration of War, both of which represent the congregation agreeing there was just cause.

Show trials are not the same as proper trials.

You are for the systematic execution of all atheists that refused to be rebuked. That is literally nightmarish in thought and concept.

 

[Charlie V]

The reason I use the word "most" when I write is to avoid the "exception to the rule" that people come up with.

You said "most of the evil" but not "most of the atheists." "Atheists" was not so qualified.

Either way, it's a hasty generalization fallacy.

It is interesting that you relate poverty to money.

That's what the word means unless otherwise qualified.

Charlie

 

[tulc]

Genocide is killing without just cause.

uhmmm...no one commits genocide that doesn't think they have a just cause for doing so.

Execution is killing for a just cause, following a jury trial or following a Declaration of War, both of which represent the congregation agreeing there was just cause.

See? There's your "just cause" for genocide.
tulc(people can always find a reason to kill other people)

 

[TheReasoner]

Genocide is killing without just cause.

Execution is killing for a just cause, following a jury trial or following a Declaration of War, both of which represent the congregation agreeing there was just cause.

no it is not.


the definition:

genocide |ˈjenəˌsīd|
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

The Nazis killed jews believing it was a just cause. They had judged that the jews, homosexuals, and more deserved their executions. You have judged that a lot of people such as homosexuals and atheists deserve death.

What's the difference between them and you? There is only one difference. They have actually done what you advocate.

I notice your capitalization of declaration of war. Whom do you worship, Clirus? Mars, god of war?

 

[Charlie V]

uhmmm...no one commits genocide that doesn't think they have a just cause for doing so.

Not only that, but I'm going to make my own version of the clirus' statement that, rather than hasty generalization that villifies a group of people, I think is simply self-evident fact that points to the motivation for most evil acts.

I believe most evil in the world is by Atheists.

I disagree.

I believe that most evil in the world is by those who think they have just cause for what they do.

Very few people commit evil actions believing that they are committing evil actions. Those who kill innocents believe their killing is righteous or with just cause. Those who steal believe they are righting a wrong, correcting an injustice in the world.

This is true, whether the person committing the wrong believes in the God of the Bible, or of any other religion, or is a disbeliever in religion, and there are those who are basically good in all of those catagories. In my experience, most of us are basically good in all of those categories--those who commit greatly evil acts are the minority.

Our duty is to find the log in our own eye, not to point out the speck in anothers. Christians kill. Chrisitans steal. If we say, "athiests are to blame for these evils" we are ignoring the specs in our own eyes. Even the disciples denied Jesus and fled when he was crucified. Christians don't deserve a pedistal. We are all sinners.

Charlie

 

[HosannaHM]

Our duty is to find the log in our own eye, not to point out the speck in anothers. Christians kill. Chrisitans steal. If we say, "athiests are to blame for these evils" we are ignoring the specs in our own eyes. Even the disciples denied Jesus and fled when he was crucified. Christians don't deserve a pedistal. We are all sinners.

Charlie

Exactly Charlie! No man is good not one (Romans 3)!

Clirus, please be reasonable or discontinue to fill up the forum with hate.

You are not righteous....no one is
You are not the wrath of God.. no one is worthy of that
Your interpretation of the scriptures segregates Christians as perfect and the rest of the world as infidels.

Do I need to even tell you the last person that tried to oppress the world with the view his people were elite?

Adolf Hitler.

 

[TerranceL]

Yes.

Atheists spend a lot of time and effort to try to destroy the Christian Religion, in order to justify their unbelief.

So you are an atheist.

 

[Zongerfield]

I had an open heart for years, but God never came and I never "felt his presence". What does this mean for me? That God didn't intend for me to feel his presence, or that I was callous? I'm pretty sure I wasn't callous. Thus, it's God who refused to partake in the conversation. Then I am justified in my lack of belief because the only way to be sure is through personal experience.

Patience my friend. God may be testing you. You need to keep your heart open and not rush to any conclusions.

I recommend you keep reading scripture. I would also recommend you start attending church. Seek out different churches until you find one that is "right" for you. God will find you, when you are ready.

Bless you. I will continue to pray for your soul.

Seek and ye shall find!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Patience my friend. God may be testing you. You need to keep your heart open and not rush to any conclusions.

I recommend you keep reading scripture. I would also recommend you start attending church. Seek out different churches until you find one that is "right" for you. God will find you, when you are ready.

Bless you. I will continue to pray for your soul.

Seek and ye shall find!

Perhaps it's your concept of "God" that's being tested -- and perhaps it's already failed.

Question: did you ever offer to pray for something that, in your opinion, didn't need praying for? In that context, what's the difference between saying "I'll pray for you," and "I pity you"?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Patience my friend. God may be testing you. You need to keep your heart open and not rush to any conclusions.

I recommend you keep reading scripture. I would also recommend you start attending church. Seek out different churches until you find one that is "right" for you. God will find you, when you are ready.

Bless you. I will continue to pray for your soul.

Seek and ye shall find!

I'd rather not be God's test subject. So no thanks.

 

[TheReasoner]

Patience my friend. God may be testing you. You need to keep your heart open and not rush to any conclusions.

I recommend you keep reading scripture. I would also recommend you start attending church. Seek out different churches until you find one that is "right" for you. God will find you, when you are ready.

Bless you. I will continue to pray for your soul.

Seek and ye shall find!

Zongerfield, I don't know if you mean it that way, I doubt it, but do you realize you come across as extremely demeaning and aloof/arrogant with your constant 'I'll pray for you' and 'I forgive you'? I recommend you word yourself a little differently brother.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Patience my friend. God may be testing you. You need to keep your heart open and not rush to any conclusions.

I recommend you keep reading scripture. I would also recommend you start attending church. Seek out different churches until you find one that is "right" for you. God will find you, when you are ready.

Bless you. I will continue to pray for your soul.

Seek and ye shall find!

Your instructions sound more like "brainwash yourself until you believe".

Honestly, one of the most common cult techniques is controlling what kind of information an "aspirant" has access to - tell them to read your pamphlets and seek closer contact with your group all the time, and the happy conversion experiences will appear in no time.

 

[Zongerfield]

I'm sorry. But I'm being honest. I am praying for all of you. And I don't understand why this bothers everyone so much. If anything I thought it was bringing us closer together.

A prayer, a positive wish, an appeal to the Lord's grace, is a good thing. Even Christopher Hitchens allows people to pray for him, and he is the world's biggest anti-theist.

I don't mean to sound condescending or "aloof" - I really just want to help save others.

 

[TheReasoner]

I'm sorry. But I'm being honest. I am praying for all of you. And I don't understand why this bothers everyone so much. If anything I thought it was bringing us closer together.

A prayer, a positive wish, an appeal to the Lord's grace, is a good thing. Even Christopher Hitchens allows people to pray for him, and he is the world's biggest anti-theist.

I don't mean to sound condescending or "aloof" - I really just want to help save others.

I thought so! No worries Z. It's just one way it can be understood. Keep praying, and keep having that goal in mind. Just keep in mind something I learned the hard way myself: When you use Christian lingo in a setting where it isn't common it can work against it's intended purpose.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I'm sorry. But I'm being honest. I am praying for all of you. And I don't understand why this bothers everyone so much. If anything I thought it was bringing us closer together.

A prayer, a positive wish, an appeal to the Lord's grace, is a good thing. Even Christopher Hitchens allows people to pray for him, and he is the world's biggest anti-theist.

I don't mean to sound condescending or "aloof" - I really just want to help save others.

I think the reaction is tied to the fact that far too many people use the phrase "I pray for you" to express something like "I find everything about you so thoroughly offensive and disgusting that only God could possibly help you now".

That's not how you mean it, I hope, but that is indeed the only context in which many people have heard this phrase, apart from close friends or relatives wishing them well in a time of crisis.

 

[HosannaHM]

I'm sorry. But I'm being honest. I am praying for all of you. And I don't understand why this bothers everyone so much. If anything I thought it was bringing us closer together.

A prayer, a positive wish, an appeal to the Lord's grace, is a good thing. Even Christopher Hitchens allows people to pray for him, and he is the world's biggest anti-theist.

I don't mean to sound condescending or "aloof" - I really just want to help save others.

Now this is what grace looks like. It's all good brother! Faith guardian said it best but I just wanted to add we are all in this together.

Good to see the love. Keep on giving the Lord all your praise and glory, regarding everyone on an equal ground.

God bless

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I'm sorry. But I'm being honest. I am praying for all of you. And I don't understand why this bothers everyone so much. If anything I thought it was bringing us closer together.

A prayer, a positive wish, an appeal to the Lord's grace, is a good thing. Even Christopher Hitchens allows people to pray for him, and he is the world's biggest anti-theist.

I don't mean to sound condescending or "aloof" - I really just want to help save others.

I don't care if you pray for me. I appreciate, to some extent, that you. Just don't tell me on a public forum that you're praying for me, because what does that do other than broadcast how holy you are to everyone? Even if you just PM'd people to tell them you were praying for them it would be better. Because no matter how sincere you are, when you post on a public forum "I'm praying for you" it can look like the most insincere, self-gratifying, and patronizing holy-roller lingo out there.

 

[HosannaHM]

I don't care if you pray for me. I appreciate, to some extent, that you. Just don't tell me on a public forum that you're praying for me, because what does that do other than broadcast how holy you are to everyone? Even if you just PM'd people to tell them you were praying for them it would be better. Because no matter how sincere you are, when you post on a public forum "I'm praying for you" it can look like the most insincere, self-gratifying, and patronizing holy-roller lingo out there.

Kinda like a Pharisee Aye?