I changed my stance on gun control!!!

[dogs4thewin]

One of the reasons that I do not own a gun is because I do not want to become a target of thieves. I do know some troubled people and even if they would not rob me who knows what their friends would do. Gun are often stolen and quickly resold for pennies on the dollar. Smart crooks do not want to be caught with one, but there are plenty that are willing that are not so bright in the first place. Drug usage only makes them more desperate.

I simply do not see a need for a gun in the US.

I do those same robbers oh and hunting too.

 

[renniks]

Who knows. Apart from stricter laws, I've got no idea what on earth you can do.

Because criminals love obeying laws, lol!

 

[dogs4thewin]

Because criminals love obeying laws, lol!

yup people who can be trusted with guns are not the issue to begin with.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I used to own a bunch of guns. I ended up in a situation where I could not store them so I end up having my lawyer dispose of them.

You have a lawyer?

After 5 or so years of being gun-free, I became more sympathetic to the gun control crowd. I had no guns but I felt pretty safe anyway with 911 only minutes away, where I live so easy for police to mop up the criminals.

Recently I heard a question asked.....Who do you call when the police are criminals? Then I read a quote by Washington the said (paraphrase) There should be a rebellion every 20 years or so.

That sounds out of context.

You realize that he put down a rebellion, right? By put down...I mean he marched on US citizens and shot them until they were done "rebelling".

That made me think of the context the Constitution was written in. We need law-abiding citizens to own guns because we have a right to self-defense. Whether it's from a criminal or a totalitarian government, we need to be able to overthrow the government if need be. That is what Washington was saying.

We need the quotes context. We don't know if Washington just has a dry sense of humor and likes shooting rebels.

I don't think we are anywhere near the point where we need to rise up, but we need to be able to if we get some Fascist in office suspends the Constitution or tries to dissolve our rights.


We have 2,000 laws about guns. No more gun laws......Agree or disagree......

Discuss.........

I'm not convinced anyone can spot a fascist.

Also...you have a lawyer?

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's an attitude problem. You're not going to fix it anytime soon. Cranking up the laws to make it harder to get a gun won't stop the vast majority gettjng one if they want one. But...it serves to highlight the fact that gun ownership and attitudes to guns and gun deaths are exceptionally abnormal in the US. Maybe the 70% that have no problem with stricter controls will then become 80%. And then 90%.

Who knows. Apart from stricter laws, I've got no idea what on earth you can do. And the gun lobby (that'll include you) seems to have no interest in solving the problem. The death rate is one you'll accept.

What about instead of stricter gun laws stricter punishment for breaking the laws on the books.

 

[renniks]

No. You educate people as to the dangers. You teach them water safety. You tell them to have respect for the dangers. You have strict rules and regulations re backyard pools. Or maybe you could not offer any practical suggestions at all but trot out a trite sarcastic comment like 'Maybe we should outlaw water'.

All that is already available to gun owners. But I agree we should once again teach gun safety in schools like we used to.

 

[renniks]

One of the reasons that I do not own a gun is because I do not want to become a target of thieves

I assume you don't have a car or house either?

 

[Bradskii]

One of the reasons that I do not own a gun is because I do not want to become a target of thieves. I do know some troubled people and even if they would not rob me who knows what their friends would do. Gun are often stolen and quickly resold for pennies on the dollar. Smart crooks do not want to be caught with one, but there are plenty that are willing that are not so bright in the first place. Drug usage only makes them more desperate.

I simply do not see a need for a gun in the US.

It beats me what people who have a gun think they're going to do if someone pulls a gun on them. Ferret around in their waistband for theirs? I think too many people have seen too many episodes of Justified and think they're Raylan Givens. 'Just let them mess around with me!' Yeah, and you'll be dead. And quite possibly others as well.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's an attitude problem. You're not going to fix it anytime soon. Cranking up the laws to make it harder to get a gun won't stop the vast majority gettjng one if they want one. But...it serves to highlight the fact that gun ownership and attitudes to guns and gun deaths are exceptionally abnormal in the US. Maybe the 70% that have no problem with stricter controls will then become 80%. And then 90%.

Who knows. Apart from stricter laws, I've got no idea what on earth you can do. And the gun lobby (that'll include you) seems to have no interest in solving the problem. The death rate is one you'll accept.

Another thing is maybe trying to figure out the root cause of the violence and address that. For example, why do people ( especially young people join gangs. ( often that answer is for a sense of belonging maybe pour resources into programs meant to provide that Boys and girls club (a thing in the states) other mentoring programs even gyms and after school programs heck sports teams.

 

[Bradskii]

Because criminals love obeying laws, lol!

As usual, you missed the point I was making entirely. I even said that if anyone wants a gun, whatever the laws, they'll be able to get one. Maybe go back and read the post again. I can't be bothered repeating myself.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It beats me what people who have a gun think they're going to do if someone pulls a gun on them. Ferret around in their waistband for theirs? I think too many people have seen too many episodes of Justified and think they're Raylan Givens. 'Just let them mess around with me!' Yeah, and you'll be dead. And quite possibly others as well.

The flip side of that is how many crimes are stopped BECAUSE of the chance a good guy may have a gun?

 

[dogs4thewin]

As usual, you missed the point I was making entirely. I even said that if anyone wants a gun, whatever the laws, they'll be able to get one. Maybe go back and read the post again. I can't be bothered repeating myself.

bingo if they want a gun badly enough no amount of regulation will stop them They will either get a gun on the black market or otherwise find something else to inflict damage with.

 

[renniks]

As usual, you missed the point I was making entirely. I even said that if anyone wants a gun, whatever the laws, they'll be able to get one. Maybe go back and read the post again. I can't be bothered repeating myself.

So what was the point of your calling for stricter regulations, then?

 

[Bradskii]

The flip side of that is how many crimes are stopped BECAUSE of the chance a good guy may have a gun?

I guess that if you think that's part of the thought process that a potential mugger with a gun runs through his drug addled brain before sticking a gun in your ribs then...fair enough. Do you want to extrapolate that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion?

Or maybe think of this? Do you want to risk getting into a shooting match with someone who already has his gun out, or do you give him your wallet?

 

[renniks]

It beats me what people who have a gun think they're going to do if someone pulls a gun on them. Ferret around in their waistband for theirs? I think too many people have seen too many episodes of Justified and think they're Raylan Givens. 'Just let them mess around with me!' Yeah, and you'll be dead. And quite possibly others as well.

In reality the crazy guy with a gun wants an easy target. He doesn't want someone who can shoot back. It's a deterrent.

 

[Bradskii]

So what was the point of your calling for stricter regulations, then?

I'm giving myself a break from this thread. If you can't be bothered to read what I write then it's a waste of my time writing it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I guess that if you think that's part of the thought process that a potential mugger with a gun runs through his drug addled brain before sticking a gun in your ribs then...fair enough. Do you want to extrapolate that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion?

I did not say it stops it all, but if I am a criminal and I am meaning harm do you think I will go some place where there may be a lot of legally owned guns or somewhere that they are banned and therefore most people will almost certainly not have them. Remember my earlier post where I said we have very little crime in this county other than drugs and traffic like speeding, broken tail lights and yet most houses have at LEAST one firearm.

 

[comana]

and we do have gun laws and respnsiable gun owners teach gun safety ( and in fact some states have laws that require you take a gun safety course ( and prove your ability to shoot on target before they will issue you a permit to carry or in some cases even hunt.

But there is no requirement or test of responsibility/training to purchase/own guns. A few months back, near my hometown, a toddler got a hold of a gun in a car and shot himself in his head. His mother was in the car with him. He’s dead and his mother is in prison. It’s tragic and and at great cost for his parents to keep a gun for “protection”.
I’m not confident that responsible gun owners are anywhere near enough to instill confidence in the beloved second amendment.

 

[Aldebaran]

One of the reasons that I do not own a gun is because I do not want to become a target of thieves.

Half of all households in America could call themselves a potential target since that's how many have guns already. But if you don't want to be specifically singled out, don't advertise to people that you're a gun owner.

I do know some troubled people and even if they would not rob me who knows what their friends would do.

A good reason to own a gun right there. Nobody knows what someone may do.

Gun are often stolen and quickly resold for pennies on the dollar. Smart crooks do not want to be caught with one, but there are plenty that are willing that are not so bright in the first place. Drug usage only makes them more desperate.

Yes, desperate enough that they often kill their victims just to eliminate a witness of their crime. I can show you videos from convenience stores where the clerk was shot by the robbers on their way out of the store.

I simply do not see a need for a gun in the US.

If a home intruder is in your home and you're fearing for your life, you'll see the need. The idea is to prepare ahead of time rather than wishing you had, but realizing it's too late.

 

[Mark Quayle]

The sheer number of gun laws is not indicative of anything other than the degree of legal complexity inherent in the a government with so many jurisdictions, federal, state, city...

I think the number may have something to do with the Second Amendment. Laws regulating guns always have to be written with an eye to whether they might be found unconstitutional. So the legislators may approach the issue in a piece-meal fashion rather than in a simpler, but potentially stricter set of laws such as in other countries, almost all of which have stricter laws than the US, but perhaps expressed in a fewer number. I would favor repealing the Second Amendment, or at least overturning the Heller decision, which would allow the replacement of 2000 laws with maybe 20 laws with fewer exceptions. I don't think we need a high number of gun laws. We need the right set of gun laws, which could potentially be small in number.

Though you have a point, I would not even begin to trust such a scenario. Not in the present political climate, and socialist agenda. There remains a reason for the second amendment. Armed people will not willingly load themselves onto boxcars, and if you think we are from that sort of Tyranny, you are wrong.