I came to say good bye

[Henaynei]

Please allow me to state something here.........

NO ONE has judged or attempted to judge the status of my salvific relationship with HaShem

ALL that has been done is determine if my beliefs align with or conflict with the rules of this forum - rules I gave my pledge to obey when I registered, much less when I accepted the assignment as a mod

It may be true that the forum definition has become more concretely codified - thus what once was not a problem has now become an issue.

Know also that it was members who challenged my mod status - the staff were called upon to make a very difficult decision - one which they have agonized over - we have talked and talked, they have asked many questions and listened to my answers..... this may have been harder on some of them than it has on me.... they have my respect and appreciation.

 

[Yahudim]

Be well and be blessed. And thank you for your even-handedness. You will be missed here.

 

[ILY]

Shalom all!

Dear Henaynei,

I am grieved to hear this and imho it's a great loss to this forum, and this site. I always thought, and still think you are one the brightest lights around. I admire your respectful way of handling it with class and respect, and I am sure we'll see you around here or other sites!

Be well and you and your husband have my continued prayers

L' Chaim B' Yeshua

ILY

 

[P_G]

Mod hat on

If you choose to make a venomous remark in this thread
You will recieve an official warning for it.

No questions asked

I hereby delcare this a Lashon Hara free zone!

PG

 

[MyZz]

Henaynei,

will miss u too like Ily said u are one of the great lights here,I'm grateful to have benefitted from your posts and wish you blessings in Yeshua

 

[Henaynei]

my ability to post here will be closed sometime after Sunday morning, about the time myy moderator status will be dropped.... but I'll stll be warmed by reading the many nice things the generous folks here have said

 

[visionary]

It is not going to be the same around here without you modding

 

[BarbB]

Henaynei, sister, I'm going to miss your posts!

The more I learn of "Christian" theology and creeds, the more I'm inclined to figure out my own understanding from the scriptures and from others I respect. God bless you and keep you!

 

[Bon]

Henaynei, sister, I'm going to miss your posts!

The more I learn of "Christian" theology and creeds, the more I'm inclined to figure out my own understanding from the scriptures and from others I respect. God bless you and keep you!

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Henaynei, May YHWH continue to guide you in all your walk, where ever it may take you.

With love in Yahshua

Bon

 

[Catherineanne]

Shalom Wags,

It is really quite simple:

CF says that the Nicene Creed supports the Trinity as defined as 3 individual persons (Father, Son, Spirit) who together are one god.

I believe that there is only One Individual, HaShem, who can and had presented Himself in many ways, the most notable being HaAv, HaBen and HaRuakh....

I am not a member of this denomination, but I have read your post with great sadness. I cannot believe that anyone feels qualified to judge anyone else, let alone exclude them as a moderator, on the basis of their personal, conscientious, interpretation of the Trinity/G-dhead. If doctrinal orthodoxy on this point were the basis for entry to heaven, then who of us would pass the exam?

I myself am a liberal Anglo Catholic. Strangely enough, as such, I can fully support both of the statements above, even though I am not familiar with the names you use. I do not see that they are mutually exclusive in any way, nor that your belief in the second means that you think the first is 'untrue'. Just that it is less true for you than what you believe. If that makes sense at all.

I do not believe that any one person, or any one denomination, or even any one Creed, has the whole Truth contained within it. One day we will see clearly. Until then, I think a little more understanding and tolerance of diversity would not go amiss.

Hear, O Israel, the Lord thy G-d is one G-d.

Peace be with you.

 

[visionary]

I am not a member of this denomination, but I have read your post with great sadness. I cannot believe that anyone feels qualified to judge anyone else, let alone exclude them as a moderator, on the basis of their personal, conscientious, interpretation of the Trinity/G-dhead. If doctrinal orthodoxy on this point were the basis for entry to heaven, then who of us would pass the exam?

I myself am a liberal Anglo Catholic. Strangely enough, as such, I can fully support both of the statements above, even though I am not familiar with the names you use. I do not see that they are mutually exclusive in any way, nor that your belief in the second means that you think the first is 'untrue'. Just that it is less true for you than what you believe. If that makes sense at all.

I do not believe that any one person, or any one denomination, or even any one Creed, has the whole Truth contained within it. One day we will see clearly. Until then, I think a little more understanding and tolerance of diversity would not go amiss.

Hear, O Israel, the Lord thy G-d is one G-d.

Peace be with you.

Bless your heart... For with a spirit like your you will see God.

 

[artrx]

Shalom Wags,

It is really quite simple:

CF says that the Nicene Creed supports the Trinity as defined as 3 individual persons (Father, Son, Spirit) who together are one god.

I believe that there is only One Individual, HaShem, who can and had presented Himself in many ways, the most notable being HaAv, HaBen and HaRuakh....

It has been ruled that according to Rule 6 those who want to post in the CO area, in which MJ is a forum, must agree with the Classical Trinitarian definition (as sketched above). It goes without saying that a mod must be able to post in the CO area, this is, after all, Christian Forums



The fact is that according to the CF definition of Rule 6 and the MJF I do not qualify to carry the MJ icon.

Since it has been decided that my beliefs are not in harmony with the CF interpretation of the Nicene Creed I do not qualify to post as MJ in this forum nor, therefore, do I qualify to be a mod.

I'm sorry if my earlier explanation was a bit foggy

Hi, I am new to this site and just stopped by to visit this forum for the first time. Maybe this is not an appropriate place to post this but I want to know more of the reasoning involved in your leaving. I am very confused as to exactly why you cannot call call yourself a Christian. Maybe I cannot, and I have been a Christian my whole life. I am unsure of exactly how to interpret many theological issues. I have read and talked to many Christians with vastly differing understandings on the same issues and different interpretations of the same scriptural words. My personal feeling about the Trinity is that it was a way for the one omniscient God to present him/herself to finite limited human creations. I don't think anyone has the only true and complete grasp of that. The fact that you cannot continue here causes me to reasses my view of this forum.

 

[Bananna]

That clarification thing made things sticky indeed, Will you have the same name on another board?

Bless you. You have been great. Hope to see you posting around some time. Those complainers... fuey on them.

bananna

 

[yod]

I did not realize that was how the Trinity was interpreted here.

It's One God according to Yeshua....not three.


Guess I'm out too?


It's going to get real quiet here if they expect messianics to agree to 3 gods. Wait a second...it already has!??!

 

[queenm04]

Since it has been decided that my beliefs are not in harmony with the CF interpretation of the Nicene Creed I do not qualify to post as MJ in this forum nor, therefore, do I qualify to be a mod.

Heynanei, do not despair, this ain't a new thing, From the early 1980's my dad has never believed in the trinity as it has always been presented. He has suffered in the hands of our Christian brethren! It always boils down to the Christ of the Vatican and the Jesus of Nazareth, who are we serving or rather who are the christians serving???


Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[queenm04]

I agree with your statements henayeni and I'm saddened that it has to come to this. At any rate there's quite a few of us here who frequent the non-christian religion section. Maybe they can make a section for us non-trinitarian/triune messianics.

i fuly Agree! Let's make this move in the new forums suggestion, how about that?


I refuse to say goodbye to Heynanei!

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

Henaynei,

I hope you can stay in some kind of capacity. I WILL surely miss you!!

For those of us who have been around these forums for a number of years you have been like a big sis, an encourager, and it has been a true honour to have fellowshipped with you. I have learnt so much from you these past couple of years even though I may not post as much.

Wasn't it Augustus (or -ine) who wrote that the Trinity was mankind's very poor attempt at defining G-d? (man, I wish I had my old Win 98 desktop with all my bookmarks from two years ago). Whilst I appreciate that a standard must be maintained, I can't help but feel that many of us, myself included may not be able to post here as we learn and grow more I wish we could just fellowship as believers instead of feeling as though we will be barred.

I recall a post you had done back in 2003 where you so eloquently explained Yeshua, the Holy Spirit and G-d and it did not contradict this forum area but helped the likes of myself to greatly appeciate my relationship with G-d.

Please hang around and say Hi once and a while.

Your lil' sis' in Messiah,

LP

 

[Henaynei]

I am not a member of this denomination, but I have read your post with great sadness. I cannot believe that anyone feels qualified to judge anyone else, let alone exclude them as a moderator, on the basis of their personal, conscientious, interpretation of the Trinity/G-dhead. If doctrinal orthodoxy on this point were the basis for entry to heaven, then who of us would pass the exam?

I myself am a liberal Anglo Catholic. Strangely enough, as such, I can fully support both of the statements above, even though I am not familiar with the names you use. I do not see that they are mutually exclusive in any way, nor that your belief in the second means that you think the first is 'untrue'. Just that it is less true for you than what you believe. If that makes sense at all.

I do not believe that any one person, or any one denomination, or even any one Creed, has the whole Truth contained within it. One day we will see clearly. Until then, I think a little more understanding and tolerance of diversity would not go amiss.

Hear, O Israel, the Lord thy G-d is one G-d.

Peace be with you.

I truly thank you for your support and concern

But please know that NO ONE ever has attempted to judge or state that they were judging my relationship with G-d - ALL that has been done is to determine if my doctrinal stand is compatible with the standards and perimeters of this ministry. Honestly, every ministry *must* have both doctrinal and behavioral standards. If I had a forum I would have standards as well.

When I chose to join here, and more especially when I chose to apply to be a moderator, I gave my pledge to submit to the leadership and rules of this ministry. Whether the leadership or rules determine for or against me on a particular issue how can I in all honor and honesty balk or quibble either way?

No a single person on the staff, not one, has been anything but supportive and is sorrowful that this is the way things must be AND not one has called me anything but a sister in the L-rd.

I warmly appreciate your support and caring but Please don't take up offense against this fine ministry for them fairly applying the rules and standards of the ministry equitably to the staff as to the membership

b'Shalom
Henaynei

 

[Henaynei]

That clarification thing made things sticky indeed, Will you have the same name on another board?

Bless you. You have been great. Hope to see you posting around some time. Those complainers... fuey on them.

bananna

I have another account here: Adie batKelev, that I have used only a little bit

yes, I use the same name, Henaynei, the other places that I go

 

[Henaynei]

I did not realize that was how the Trinity was interpreted here.

It's One God according to Yeshua....not three.


Guess I'm out too?


It's going to get real quiet here if they expect messianics to agree to 3 gods. Wait a second...it already has!??!

each must do as their conscience leads them....