I believe

[renniks]

Dear Ren: I believe in all four hells. I also believe in the One who holds the keys of death and hell(s). The Master Locksmith knows how to turn the keys & as the Unlimited Christ eats death and all aspects of darkness!

This IS life aionios that we may know You...

Eternal retribution isn't a negotiable concept.

 

[FineLinen]

Eternal retribution isn't a negotiable concept.

Dear Ren: Since when did the Author & Finisher start negotiatians?

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."

 

[zoidar]

I Believe

I believe in "the restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouths of the prophets since the world began." -Acts 3:21-

I believe that the "good tidings of great joy will be to all people." -Luke 2:10

I believe that believers in Christ Jesus are "born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God." -John 1:13-

I believe

I believe that God appointed Jesus Christ "heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe." -Hebr. 1:2-

I believe that "no man can come to Christ unless the Father who sent Him draws him." -John 6:44

I believe "God gave Jesus authority over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as God gave him." -John 17:2-

I believe

I believe the Father "has given all things into Jesus' hands." -John 13:3-

I believe that Jesus Christ "was the true light which gives light to every man who come into the world." -John 1:9

I believe that "just as the result of one trespass was condemnation to all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification for all men." -Romans 5:18

I believe one mans sin "brought condemnation for all mankind." -Romans 5: 19-

I believe one mans righteousness brings "right relationship with God, and new life for everyone." -Romans 5:19-

I believe one mans sin made the whole of mankind sinners. I also believe the righteousness of one Man makes the whole of mankind righteous.

-to be continued-

Maybe there is a need for hell so people will repent? If no one would repent it would truly be hell.

 

[FineLinen]

Maybe there is a need for hell so people will repent? If no one would repent it would truly be hell.

Dear Zoidar: Repentance is "granted" to an individual by the love and grace of our Father.

Consider the koine didomi

Didomi= bestow/ give/ grant/ reach out/ extend

No man can come to Me UNLESS it is granted him of My Father

 

[grampster]

The person who is made righteous by Christ will live righteously.

I believe we only live righteously through Jesus, not of ourselves. We can't live totally righteous, thus the need for Jesus who at our repentance and with our profession of faith made our spirit alive in Him. He did something for us; He made our spirit come alive. He bought and paid for us and we willingly subjected ourselves to Him. That is why we must die in the flesh. We have to die because the flesh isn't righteous, but our spirit is alive and righteous through Jesus and will never die.

Jesus says we must obey Him while we are alive...and what does he say that obedience is? 1. Love God with everything you have; all of your heart, mind, spirit and body and 2. love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said this sums up all of the Law and the Prophets. But do we do that all day every day? We strive to, He said that is our work, but if you claim you succeed at it always, you better think again. If you think about it, it isn't easily accomplished and our flesh fails. We do need works as James said. Works are a manifestation of our faith. But it is faith which saves you.

I try every day, but my selfish flesh sometimes wins the battle...and sometimes it wins very easily and I hate that. But I ask for forgiveness and keep on keeping on.

 

[FineLinen]

I believe we only live righteously through Jesus, not of ourselves. We can't live totally righteous, thus the need for Jesus who at our repentance and with our profession of faith made our spirit alive in Him. He did something for us; He made our spirit come alive. He bought and paid for us and we willingly subjected ourselves to Him. That is why we must die in the flesh. We have to die because the flesh isn't righteous, but our spirit is alive and righteous through Jesus and will never die.

Jesus says we must obey Him while we are alive...and what does he say that obedience is? 1. Love God with everything you have; all of your heart, mind, spirit and body and 2. love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said this sums up all of the Law and the Prophets. But do we do that all day every day? We strive to, He said that is our work, but if you claim you succeed at it always, you better think again. If you think about it, it isn't easily accomplished and our flesh fails. We do need works as James said. Works are a manifestation of our faith. But it is faith which saves you.

I try every day, but my selfish flesh sometimes wins the battle...and sometimes it wins very easily and I hate that. But I ask for forgiveness and keep on keeping on.

Dear Grumpster: Your/ my/ our selfish flesh will never prevail. That which is flesh is flesh and must ultimately yield to the consuming Fire of Theos. The walk of Spirit is NOT by our faith, it is living by the faith of the Son of God. As the Archegos and Prodromos, the Prince-Leader leads us into where He dwells in fulness as His brothers in every last detail.

The way for all is through the fires, for fire is the great uniter and reconciler of all things; and things which without fire can never be united, in and through the fire are changed and become one.

Therefore every coming of Christ, even in grace, is a day of judgment. Therefore there are fires even for the elect both now, (1 Pet. 1:7, and 4: 12) and in the coming day; (1 Cor. 3:. 13, 15.) for “our God is a consuming fire;” (Heb. 12: 29.) and to dwell in Him we must have a life, which, because it is of the fire, for fire burns not fire, can stand unhurt in it.

Therefore our Lord “came to cast fire into the earth,” and desired nothing more than “that it should be already kindled;” (S. Luke 12: 49) therefore He says,

Mark 9: 49-

For this is the very “baptism of the Holy Ghost and fire,” (Matt. 3: 11) that “spirit of judgment and burning,” promised by the prophet, "with which the Lord shall purge away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and cleanse the blood of Jerusalem; after which He will create on every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and on all her assemblies, a cloud of smoke by day, and the brightness of flame of fire by night; and upon all, the glory shall be a defence; (Isa. 4: 4, 5) for “He is like a refiner’s fire, and like a fuller’s soap; and He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and He shall purify the sons of Levi as gold and silver are purged, that they may offer to the Lord an offering of righteousness.” (Mal. 3: 3). And as by the hidden fire of this present life, shut up in these bodies of corruption, we are able by the wondrous chemistry of nature through corruption to change the fruits and flesh of the earth into our blood, and from blood again into our flesh and bone and sinew; so by the fire of God can we be changed, and made partakers of Christ’s flesh and blood. In and through Christ we have received this transmutation; (Rom. 5: 11) and through His Spirit, which is fire, is this same change accomplished in us.

NOTE:

Numbers 28: 6. By this double sense a veil covers the letter, veiling yet revealing God’s purpose; for His purpose to the creature is through destruction to perfect it, and by fire to make it a bride unto the Lord. For a kindred reason some of the angels are called Seraphim, that is burning ones; for like the Lord, whose throne is flames of fire, (Dan. 7: 9,10.) they also are as fire; as it is written, “He makes His angels spirits, His messengers a flame of fire.” (Heb. 1: 7, and Psalm 104:4)

And as with the first-fruits, so with the harvest. The world to be saved must some day know the same baptism. For “the Lord will come with fire,” and “by fire and by His sword will He plead with all flesh, and the slain of the Lord shall be many.” (Isa. 66: 15, 16.) The promised baptism or outpouring of the Spirit must be judgment, for the Spirit cannot be poured on man without consuming this flesh to quicken a better life;

NOTE:

James 1: 20) works both righteousness and life, and is set forth in that “warfare of the service of the tabernacle” (See Numbers 4: 23, 30, and 8: 24, 25; margin: and compare 1 Tim. 1: eighteen) by which that which was of the earth was made to ascend to God through fire a sweet sacrifice.

-Andrew Jukes-

 

[FineLinen]

I Believe

I believe that "having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, does he not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost till he find it." -Luke 15:14-

I believe the Lord gathers up remnants of fish and bread, He "gathers up remnants that nothing be lost." -John 6:12

I believe God "will open His hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing." -Psl. 145:6

I believe that God is "gracious in all His works." -Psl. 145:17-

I believe "the earth is the Lord's and all its fulness, the world and all those who dwell therein." -Psl. 24:1-

I believe "all the kings of the earth shall praise You, oh Lord, when they hear the words of Your mouth." -Psl. 138:4-

I believe God "reveals Himself by those who did not ask for Him; He was found by those who did not seek Him." -Isa. 65:1

I Believe

I believe "the Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all the works of His hands. All Your works shall praise You, oh Lord." -Psl. 145:8-10-

I believe "all the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. All those who go down to the dust shall bow before You." -Psl. 22:27, 29

I believe "O You who hear prayer, to You shall all flesh come. Iniquities prevail against me; as for transgressions, You will provide atonement for them." -Psl. 66:3, 4-

I believe "through the greatness of Your power Your enemies shall submit themselves to You. All the earth shall worship You and sing praises to You." -Psl. 66: 3, 4

I Believe

I believe "the Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all the works of His hands. All Your works shall praise You, oh Lord." -Psl. 145:8-10-

I believe "all the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. All those who go down to the dust shall bow before You." -Psl. 22:27, 29

I believe "O You who hear prayer, to You shall all flesh come. Iniquities prevail against me; as for transgressions, You will provide atonement for them." -Psl. 66:3, 4-

I believe "through the greatness of Your power Your enemies shall submit themselves to You. All the earth shall worship You and sing praises to You." -Psl. 66: 3, 4

I believe

I believe that "through the Lord's mercies we are not consumed, because His compassions fail not. They are new every morning. Great is Your faithfulness." -Lam. 3:21-24-

I believe that "the Lord will not cast off forever. Though He causes grief, yet He will show compassion according to the multitude of His mercies. -Lam. 3:31,32

I believe "there is no God besides Me, a just God and Saviour; There is none besides Me. Look to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is none other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath. He shall say, surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, and all shall be ashamed who are incensed against Him. In the Lord all the descendants of Israel shall be justified and shall glory." -Isa. 45:21-25

I Believe

I believe "in this mountain the Lord of Hosts will make for all people a feast of choice pieces, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of well-refined wines on the lees. And He will destroy on this mountain the covering cast over all nations and all poeples. He will swallow up death forever, and the Lord will wipe away all tears from all faces." -Isa.25-26

I believe Jesus Christ "ascended higher than all the heavens so that He might fill the entire universe with Himself." -Eph. 4:10

I believe that Jesus Christ is destined to reign until God "has put all enemies under His feet." -1 Cor. 15:25

I believe the end consummates in "abolishing every kind of domination, authority, and power." - 1 Cor. 15:24

I believe the "last enemy to be abolished is death." -1 Cor. 15:27

I believe that "when all things are subject to Him, then the Son himself will also be made subordinate to God, who made all things subject to Him." -1 Cor. 15:28

I believe the subjection of all to Christ Jesus culminates in "God all in all." -1 Cor. 15:28

I Believe

I believe "all nations of the earth shall be blessed." -Gen. 18:18

I believe "all families of the earth shall be blessed." -Gen. 12:3 & Gen. 28:14

I believe "it shall come to pass the saying that is written: 'death is swallowed up in victory, Oh death, where is your sting. Oh, hell, where is your victory.' The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." -1 Cor. 15: 54-58

I believe "it is finished." -John 19:30

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You are importing a lot of baggage onto the Scripture I quoted there.

"baggage"??? It's from your previous posts in many threads, like the heresy that linen keeps posting.

 

[mkgal1]

"baggage"??? It's from your previous posts in many threads, like the heresy that linen keeps posting.

Exactly my point.

I merely posted Scripture. Why such a reaction to it? Like I said......"you're importing baggage".

BTW - there's never been a declaration from the Church - regarding what FL is posting - as being heretical.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Exactly my point.

I merely posted Scripture. Why such a reaction to it? Like I said......"you're importing baggage".

BTW - there's never been a declaration from the Church - regarding what FL is posting - as being heretical.

The Authority, Yahuweh , as His Word Continues to Reveal also, has always shown it is heresy, (and linen and you have been reminded of this very many times also),
and
when you post 'only' Scripture to gather 'support'? 'Followers' ? 'listeners' to your 'cause', wittingly or unwittingly, for whatever purpose,
it is still the "source" that is important (i.e. a source believing in heresy , thus not reliable) , and not the isolated presented words (like trying to "hide" the heresy until gathering support/ friends/ listeners who do not know better) ..... or so it seems to me and has shown to be in the past ...

 

[mkgal1]

The Authority, Yahuweh , as His Word Continues to Reveal

This IS His word (and, yes, HE is the Authority - not you). As Scripture states:

Romans 5:18-19 ~ Yes, Adam’s one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone.​

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Ren: I am not finished posting what I believe. These are not disconnected utterances from Canon and flow together in spontaneous vibrations of Father's Heart.

Dear Ren: What I believe is now complete. If you would like to address any of the disconnected Scriptures, I would consider it a pleasure responding.

 

[mkgal1]

The Authority, Yahuweh , as His Word Continues to Reveal also, has always shown it is heresy

Did you get that in writing?

It's not on the list of what's been revealed to the Church as heresies. It's never been declared as such. The Church has NO dogmatic stance on afterlife issues:

A Short Guide to Ancient Heresies | Kenneth D. Whitehead

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No. It says that they hope and in doing so pray for every man's salvation. You cannot cherry-pick. The RCC also recognises that most men will not cooperate with or will resist God's grace and WILL NOT be saved. Reading select quotations does you know good. If you do this, you are merely conjuring answers and cherry-picking quotations to fit your own preconceptions. Even if they do not believe such, I'm sure that you can pick out a phrase or two and ignore much, to get anyone from the RCC to believe anything you don't agree with, if you work hard enough at it, that is.

Also, never mind the fact that the RCC condemns heresy and universalism . . .

I think the distinction there is this--
There is nothing wrong with hoping and praying that God will save all, just as there is nothing wrong with praying that He will have mercy on those who have departed. The heresy (regardless of whether the RCC or any other particular denomination makes a determination of it) comes in when the idea is asserted as doctrinally right. IOW, we can suspect and hope that God will save all, but it would be a heresy to insist that he does.

The uninversalism heresy has not changed in over a thousand years. (afaik)

It is likely, as did other heresies, that changes might have been made to try to get it accepted, to get more people deceived by it....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This IS His word (and, yes, HE is the Authority - not you). As Scripture states:

Romans 5:18-19 ~ Yes, Adam’s one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone.​

If you would like to get a better idea of what that means, look it up on Biblegateway.com in many translations.

Using a faulty, inaccurate, or even a good translation incorrectly, to support a heresy (like the one you and linen keep posting about), is still not good , right, nor proper.

 

[mkgal1]

The uninversalism heresy has not changed in over a thousand years. (afaik)

It is likely, as did other heresies, that changes might have been made to try to get it accepted, to get more people deceived by it....

Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years

If you would like to get a better idea of what that means, look it up on Biblegateway.com in many translations.

Using a faulty, inaccurate, or even a good translation incorrectly, to support a heresy (like the one you and linen keep posting about), is still not good , right, nor proper.

Ooooh! So it's the *translation* you're taking issue with? Here are many different translations listed here (I don't see much variation - and they all seem to allow for the same interpretation):

Romans 5:18 So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.

Basically.....if Adam's sin caused death for everyone - then Jesus, the last Adam, brought life to everyone.

Death in Adam, Life in Christ

I couldn't have used "even a good translation incorrectly" by merely quoting Scripture. If FL is okay with it - maybe you could let us know how YOU interpret this passage. Is that okay @FineLinen or would you prefer that to be discussed in a new thread?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I couldn't have used "even a good translation incorrectly" by merely quoting Scripture.

Yes you could, like linen, merely by openly saying / attempting to say that a heresy is not a heresy, and oh by the way, Scripture is Truth, therefore what I say when I quote Scripture is truth, even though or if what is being supported or promoted is not truth.

 

[mkgal1]

Yes you could, like linen, merely by openly saying / attempting to say that a heresy is not a heresy, and oh by the way, Scripture is Truth, therefore what I say when I quote Scripture is truth, even though or if what is being supported or promoted is not truth.

In my first post in this thread - ALL I did was quote this (no opinion, no commentary, nothing but Scripture). This Scripture:

Romans 5:18 So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.​

However, what you are offering is opinion only - not Scripture/Truth.

 

[Albion]

The uninversalism heresy has not changed in over a thousand years. (afaik)

Keep in mind that Universalism is a heresy because it posits that God will save everyone.

It isn't a heresy to hope that there might be some way for that to happen--or something close to it--which we are not informed about.

There is a little bit...but very little...in Scripture to support such a view and nothing by way of "Tradition" for the folks who always turn to it. Yet there is a lot (!) in Scripture that seems clearly to deny it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yet there is a lot (!) in Scripture that seems clearly to deny it.

Yes, in the LIGHT, this is clear.