I believe

[FineLinen]

I Believe

I believe "every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honour and glory and power to him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever." -Rev. 5:13-

I believe that "in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." -Phil. 2: 10,11

I believe "all nations whom God has made will come and worship before him." -Psl. 86:9-

I believe "God's mercy endures forever." -1 Chron. 16:34-

I believe God's Spirit "will be poured out on all flesh." -Joel 2:28-

I believe that "the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations." -Rev. 22:2

I believe "that there shall no longer be a curse upon anything." -Rev. 22:3-

-To be continued-

 

[renniks]

I Believe

I believe that Jesus is “able to subdue all things to himself.” -Phil. 3:21-

I believe that Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are in earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His own will.” -Eph. 1:10,11-

I believe “the Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” -2 Peter 3:9-

I Believe

I believe “God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors as though God was making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: be reconciled to God.” -2 Cor. 5:19, 20-

I believe that “all nations shall be blessed.” -Gal. 3:8-

I believe that “the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” -John 6:33-

I believe that Jesus commanded us to be like himself: “Love your enemies, bless those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” -Matt. 5:44,45

I believe Jesus when he said: “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw [Greek=draw, drag, impel] all mankind unto myself.”

I believe that “creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but by reason of Him who subjected it in hope, because creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.” -Romans 8:20,21-

To be continued

Forming a doctrine by pulling out random verses and lacing them together is a guaranteed fast track to a cult. The Bible isn't composed of random verses, it has structure and concepts that take chapters to explain.

 

[FineLinen]

Forming a doctrine by pulling out random verses and lacing them together is a guaranteed fast track to a cult. The Bible isn't composed of random verses, it has structure and concepts that take chapters to explain.

Dear Ren The Scriptures are one harmonious whole flowing together in the expression of the Glorious One. The structure and concepts are NOT explained by chapters, but by the One who states>>>

Then opened He their understanding that they might understand the Scriptures

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Yet the heresy, the false gospel promoted of universal salvation

If you insist on repeatedly condemning universalism as heresy, perhaps you can present some evidence. As you may be aware, heresy is not just a matter of personal opinion, contrary to what some would have you believe.

But let me save you the time and effort my friend, because I've been fortunate enough to have been assisted by an orthodox specialist in this forum, St Jude the Contender. The extended discussion resulted in accord on the following findings.

The doctrine of universal salvation is entirely consistent with the Nicene and Apostle's Creeds, and was never condemned by any of the 7 Ecumenical Councils, despite them having opportunity and political pressure (from Justinian in the 5th) to do so.

So you might want to curb your enthusiasm on this matter. And I pray you'll keep in mind that we've been blessed with the spirit of freedom, victory and life, as distinct from slavishness, legalism and death.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Ren The Scriptures are one harmonious whole flowing together in the expression of the Glorious One. The structure and concepts are NOT explained by chapters, but by the One who states>>>

Then opened He their understanding that they might understand the Scriptures

Dear Ren: the koine for "opened" is very strong>>>>

Opened= Dianoigo=

To open completely through intensive work of the eyes, the mind, the heart & understanding.

Then dianoigo He their understanding

 

[renniks]

Dear Ren The Scriptures are one harmonious whole flowing together

Yes, they are harmonious when read together, but not when pulled out of context like you are doing. I can make the Bible say almost anything using that method.
" Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest must be put to death." That's Bible? Yes, should we follow it?

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) how about this one?

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)... or this?

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)....ok then, let's start the killing...see how easy it is to form false doctrines?

 

[FineLinen]

I Believe

I believe "every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honour and glory and power to him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever." -Rev. 5:13-

I believe that "in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." -Phil. 2: 10,11

I believe "all nations whom God has made will come and worship before him." -Psl. 86:9-

I believe "God's mercy endures forever." -1 Chron. 16:34-

I believe God's Spirit "will be poured out on all flesh." -Joel 2:28-

I believe that "the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations." -Rev. 22:2

I believe "that there shall no longer be a curse upon anything." -Rev. 22:3-

-To be continued-

I Believe

I believe that if we really knew the Lord, we "would not have condemned the guiltless." -Matt. 12:7-

I believe "God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the gentiles, which is Christ in you the hope of glory. Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus." -Col. 1: 27, 28-

I believe that God beckons us to "Come and let us return to the Lord, for He was torn, but He will heal us, He was stricken, but He will bind us. After 2 days, He will revive us. On the third day He will raise us up that we may live in His sight." -Joel 2:28-

I believe "the Lord makes bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God." -Isa. 52:10-

I Believe

I believe "the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken." -Isa. 40:5-

I believe "all creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but by reason of Him who so subjected it in hope." -Rom. 8: 20-

I believe "the whole creation shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption." -Romans 8: 20

I believe that "they" and "we who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves, wait for the redemption of our body." -Romans 8:23

To be continued

 

[FineLinen]

I Believe

I believe that if we really knew the Lord, we "would not have condemned the guiltless." -Matt. 12:7-

I believe "God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the gentiles, which is Christ in you the hope of glory. Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus." -Col. 1: 27, 28-

I believe that God beckons us to "Come and let us return to the Lord, for He was torn, but He will heal us, He was stricken, but He will bind us. After 2 days, He will revive us. On the third day He will raise us up that we may live in His sight." -Joel 2:28-

I believe "the Lord makes bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God." -Isa. 52:10-

I Believe

I believe "the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken." -Isa. 40:5-

I believe "all creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but by reason of Him who so subjected it in hope." -Rom. 8: 20-

I believe "the whole creation shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption." -Romans 8: 20

I believe that "they" and "we who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves, wait for the redemption of our body." -Romans 8:23

To be continued

I Believe

I believe that "having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, does he not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost till he find it." -Luke 15:14-

I believe the Lord gathers up remnants of fish and bread, He "gathers up remnants that nothing be lost." -John 6:12

I believe God "will open His hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing." -Psl. 145:6

I believe that God is "gracious in all His works." -Psl. 145:17-

I believe "the earth is the Lord's and all its fulness, the world and all those who dwell therein." -Psl. 24:1-

I believe "all the kings of the earth shall praise You, oh Lord, when they hear the words of Your mouth." -Psl. 138:4-

I believe God "reveals Himself by those who did not ask for Him; He was found by those who did not seek Him." -Isa. 65:1

I Believe

I believe "the Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all the works of His hands. All Your works shall praise You, oh Lord." -Psl. 145:8-10-

I believe "all the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. All those who go down to the dust shall bow before You." -Psl. 22:27, 29

I believe "O You who hear prayer, to You shall all flesh come. Iniquities prevail against me; as for transgressions, You will provide atonement for them." -Psl. 66:3, 4-

I believe "through the greatness of Your power Your enemies shall submit themselves to You. All the earth shall worship You and sing praises to You." -Psl. 66: 3, 4

To be continued

 

[FineLinen]

Yes, they are harmonious when read together, but not when pulled out of context like you are doing. I can make the Bible say almost anything using that method.
" Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest must be put to death." That's Bible? Yes, should we follow it?

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) how about this one?

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)... or this?

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)....ok then, let's start the killing...see how easy it is to form false doctrines?

Dear Ren: I am not finished posting what I believe. These are not disconnected utterances from Canon and flow together in spontaneous vibrations of Father's Heart.

 

[martymonster]

I Believe

I believe in "the restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouths of the prophets since the world began." -Acts 3:21-

I believe that the "good tidings of great joy will be to all people." -Luke 2:10

I believe that believers in Christ Jesus are "born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God." -John 1:13-

I believe

I believe that God appointed Jesus Christ "heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe." -Hebr. 1:2-

I believe that "no man can come to Christ unless the Father who sent Him draws him." -John 6:44


Well, it sounds like you have faith in God. A lot of people say they have faith in God, but really they don't, because the don't any faith that he will accomplish everything that he has said he will do.

I believe "God gave Jesus authority over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as God gave him." -John 17:2-

I believe

I believe the Father "has given all things into Jesus' hands." -John 13:3-

I believe that Jesus Christ "was the true light which gives light to every man who come into the world." -John 1:9

I believe that "just as the result of one trespass was condemnation to all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification for all men." -Romans 5:18

I believe one mans sin "brought condemnation for all mankind." -Romans 5: 19-

I believe one mans righteousness brings "right relationship with God, and new life for everyone." -Romans 5:19-

I believe one mans sin made the whole of mankind sinners. I also believe the righteousness of one Man makes the whole of mankind righteous.

-to be continued-

 

[Blade]

Why did Jesus leave? If Jesus never left.. what would never come? And would never leave us? How can we ignore forget not see not recognize Him. Its Him that Peter talked about to the 3 thousand. It is He that we grieve so easy never give it a thought. Asking Him the Father.. holy Spirit to therm that ask... I believe

 

[martymonster]

I Believe

I believe in "the restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouths of the prophets since the world began." -Acts 3:21-

I believe that the "good tidings of great joy will be to all people." -Luke 2:10

I believe that believers in Christ Jesus are "born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God." -John 1:13-

I believe

I believe that God appointed Jesus Christ "heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe." -Hebr. 1:2-

I believe that "no man can come to Christ unless the Father who sent Him draws him." -John 6:44

I believe "God gave Jesus authority over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as God gave him." -John 17:2-

I believe

I believe the Father "has given all things into Jesus' hands." -John 13:3-

I believe that Jesus Christ "was the true light which gives light to every man who come into the world." -John 1:9

I believe that "just as the result of one trespass was condemnation to all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification for all men." -Romans 5:18

I believe one mans sin "brought condemnation for all mankind." -Romans 5: 19-

I believe one mans righteousness brings "right relationship with God, and new life for everyone." -Romans 5:19-

I believe one mans sin made the whole of mankind sinners. I also believe the righteousness of one Man makes the whole of mankind righteous.

-to be continued-

It sounds like you're an actual believer....as in, you actually the things that God has said, and you have faith in him to accomplish what he has set out to do.

 

[FineLinen]

It sounds like you're an actual believer....as in, you actually the things that God has said, and you have faith in him to accomplish what he has set out to do.

Dear Marty: I actually am becoming a believer after these wonderful years of His grip upon my old life. Like all aspects of His movings, there is the aspect of the present continuous tense leading us to higher ground. When the process is over, if it ever reaches completion, I long to be more than a believer but walking in the illustrious group of those overcomers following the Lord in the withersoever.

These are they who follow the Lamb withersoever He goes

 

[martymonster]

Dear Marty: I actually am becoming a believer after these wonderful years of His grip upon my old life. Like all aspects of His movings, there is the aspect of the present continuous tense leading us to higher ground. When the process is over, if it ever reaches completion, I long to be more than a believer but walking in the illustrious group of those overcomers following the Lord in the withersoever.

These are they who follow the Lamb withersoever He goes

Same here. I'm becoming more of a believer in God, and less of a believer in myself, which is how it's gotta be.

 

[FineLinen]

I Believe

I believe that "having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, does he not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost till he find it." -Luke 15:14-

I believe the Lord gathers up remnants of fish and bread, He "gathers up remnants that nothing be lost." -John 6:12

I believe God "will open His hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing." -Psl. 145:6

I believe that God is "gracious in all His works." -Psl. 145:17-

I believe "the earth is the Lord's and all its fulness, the world and all those who dwell therein." -Psl. 24:1-

I believe "all the kings of the earth shall praise You, oh Lord, when they hear the words of Your mouth." -Psl. 138:4-

I believe God "reveals Himself by those who did not ask for Him; He was found by those who did not seek Him." -Isa. 65:1

I Believe

I believe "the Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all the works of His hands. All Your works shall praise You, oh Lord." -Psl. 145:8-10-

I believe "all the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. All those who go down to the dust shall bow before You." -Psl. 22:27, 29

I believe "O You who hear prayer, to You shall all flesh come. Iniquities prevail against me; as for transgressions, You will provide atonement for them." -Psl. 66:3, 4-

I believe "through the greatness of Your power Your enemies shall submit themselves to You. All the earth shall worship You and sing praises to You." -Psl. 66: 3, 4

To be continued

I Believe

I believe that "having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, does he not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost till he find it." -Luke 15:14-

I believe the Lord gathers up remnants of fish and bread, He "gathers up remnants that nothing be lost." -John 6:12

I believe God "will open His hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing." -Psl. 145:6

I believe that God is "gracious in all His works." -Psl. 145:17-

I believe "the earth is the Lord's and all its fulness, the world and all those who dwell therein." -Psl. 24:1-

I believe "all the kings of the earth shall praise You, oh Lord, when they hear the words of Your mouth." -Psl. 138:4-

I believe God "reveals Himself by those who did not ask for Him; He was found by those who did not seek Him." -Isa. 65:1

I Believe

I believe "the Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all the works of His hands. All Your works shall praise You, oh Lord." -Psl. 145:8-10-

I believe "all the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. All those who go down to the dust shall bow before You." -Psl. 22:27, 29

I believe "O You who hear prayer, to You shall all flesh come. Iniquities prevail against me; as for transgressions, You will provide atonement for them." -Psl. 66:3, 4-

I believe "through the greatness of Your power Your enemies shall submit themselves to You. All the earth shall worship You and sing praises to You." -Psl. 66: 3, 4

I Believe

I believe "the Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all the works of His hands. All Your works shall praise You, oh Lord." -Psl. 145:8-10-

I believe "all the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. All those who go down to the dust shall bow before You." -Psl. 22:27, 29

I believe "O You who hear prayer, to You shall all flesh come. Iniquities prevail against me; as for transgressions, You will provide atonement for them." -Psl. 66:3, 4-

I believe "through the greatness of Your power Your enemies shall submit themselves to You. All the earth shall worship You and sing praises to You." -Psl. 66: 3, 4

To be continued

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Apocatastasis - OrthodoxWiki


The Church reaction to Origenism
The anathemas of the local Council of Constantinople in 453, which is understood by most commentators to be confirmed by the Fifth Ecumenical Council in 553, posthumously excommunicated Origen and anyone following specific points of his teachings. These Anathemas Condemned his protology of pre-existent souls And His Eschatology Of Universal Restoration Of All Things "which follows from" his protology:

• If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous Restoration which follows from it: Let Him Be Anathema . (First anathema against Origen)
• If anyone shall say that all reasonable beings will one day be united in one, when the hypostases as well as the numbers and the bodies shall have disappeared, and that the knowledge of the world to come will carry with it the ruin of the worlds, and the rejection of bodies as also the abolition of [all] names, and that there shall be finally an identity of the γνῶσις and of the hypostasis; moreover, that in this pretended apocatastasis, spirits only will continue to exist, as it was in the feigned pre-existence: let him be anathema. (Fourteenth anathema against Origen)

The decisions of ecumenical councils have universal authority in the Orthodox Church. Only doctrinal definitions have the force of dogma. Local councils only have authority within specific geographic limits.


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[FineLinen]

Same here. I'm becoming more of a believer in God, and less of a believer in myself, which is how it's gotta be.

There was a remarkable disciple of Jesus Christ whose name was A.W.Tozer who is now on the other side. This is one of his remarkable quotes>>>

"The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance!"

 

[martymonster]

There was a remarkable disciple of Jesus Christ whose name was A.W.Tozer who is now on the other side. This is one of his remarkable quotes>>>

"The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance!"

Or put another way....

Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

And again....

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

[renniks]

There was a remarkable disciple of Jesus Christ whose name was A.W.Tozer who is now on the other side. This is one of his remarkable quotes>>>

"The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance!"

Tozer wasn't a universalist.
In fact he said:
But the weight of evidence on the side of the traditional belief is too great; there can be only one conclusion: the Bible teaches the doctrine of eternal retribution, and every calm, reasonable man will accept the doctrine; or if he rejects it he will reject the Bible along with it. The man who will not believe in hell must surrender his right to believe in heaven.

 

[FineLinen]

Tozer wasn't a universalist.
In fact he said:
But the weight of evidence on the side of the traditional belief is too great; there can be only one conclusion: the Bible teaches the doctrine of eternal retribution, and every calm, reasonable man will accept the doctrine; or if he rejects it he will reject the Bible along with it. The man who will not believe in hell must surrender his right to believe in heaven.

Dear Ren: I believe in all four hells. I also believe in the One who holds the keys of death and hell(s). The Master Locksmith knows how to turn the keys & as the Unlimited Christ eats death and all aspects of darkness!

This IS life aionios that we may know You...