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I still believe we can be lost in this world, yet I see the OSAS as God never letting His people go without seeking after them. Is that acceptable in SBC OSAS?
How can one be "lost" and "saved"?
Or "lost" yet "saved"?
I just can't wrap my head around what your trying to say here.
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So, do you (holyrokker) deny that scriptures teach that "Christians" are:
"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation"? (cf. 1 Pet. 1:5)
I cannot speak for holyrokker, but I understand this verse as follows. We are kept, by the power of God, which is accessed by faith. If we then cease to believe (by ceasing to exercise faith in the living God), we then no longer have access to the power of God by which we would otherwise stand.
If you cease to believe, did you ever really in the first place believe?
Did you ever really become saved in the first place?
Or did you have the same historic faith, a faith which knows the facts of Christ and His life, death, burial, and resurrection, but did not truly believe as Simon did in Acts?
I think not.
Will God turn his back on his promise? The problem with the issue is that people who say Salvation can be lost are under the impression that salvation is ours to begin with. Salvation is of the Lord, and not man. He has promised to hold us and keep us. Anyone who would "fall away from the faith" was never converted to begin with.
Some how I find it it very hard to believe that C.H. Spurgeon spoke that sentence that you have attributed to him. I don't know if you are joking with that or not. Nothing would surprise at this point. I just find it highly doubtful.
I would characterize your statements as nothing more than emotional appeal (just the kind of thing Stanley did in his Eternal Security: Can You Be Sure). It seems you assume that if one does turn from the faith, that God has somehow turned back on His promises. I don't follow this line of thinking. In general terms, God has promised to reward the righteous and punish the wicked. If an individual turns from the ranks of the righteous and joins the ranks of the wicked, in what sense has God violated His promise? Will He still not reward the righteous and punish the wicked? And would such an understanding be consistent with teachings such as the Parable of the Hard-hearted Servant?
Spurgeon was a staunch Calvinist.Some how I find it it very hard to believe that C.H. Spurgeon spoke that sentence that you have attributed to him. I don't know if you are joking with that or not. Nothing would surprise at this point. I just find it highly doubtful.
BTW, Wizzer, are you a Baptist? I don't mind debating Eternal Security with non-baptists, but if you are not a baptists this is not the place.
Threatened? You think to highly of yourself. I asked because he asked the question to Baptists in the hopes of getting Baptists responses, since its an SBC church that is in question, its important to respect what he has asked, and who was asked.
I went from being borderline open theist to a 5 point Calvinist, I have researched the position.
The issue at hand is whether you believe your will is stronger than Gods will.
You are still young - perhaps you will yet again change your views. By the way, what did God will, and in what sense do you think I am contending with His will?
How can one be "lost" and "saved"?
Or "lost" yet "saved"?
I just can't wrap my head around what your trying to say here.
I do know however, that we sing a song in church which goes something like this:
"I once was lost,
but now I'm found."
Or How can God never let His people go, without seeking after them?
God Bless
Till all are one.
Because of what I have read in this thread I seriously doubt that God has called you to pastor a Baptist church. Actually I doubt that God has called you to pastor any church. God does not call His pastors to offer to pastor He puts them in the office. He prepars them for the local assembly He has ordained for them and prepares the local assembly for them. I have not seen or discerned any of that in any of your posts. Since a pastor is responsible to God and will have to give an answer for what they teach and how they lead the people of God I think it would be wise for you to not run without being sent.I understand your view. Couple of questions.
One- Martin Luther, helped form the Protestant movement by challenging, and upholding Biblical content to the RCC, Right?
Two-Why the Book of Revelation? The Books of Life, and the Lamb's Book of Life? If it was all said and done at the time of salvation, then why do we need to 'hold on to our crowns' ?
I question doctrine, especially if God is calling me to this denomination. Here's the thing deacon, Why is God calling me to a denomination, that I am having trouble with the doctrine.
Am I responsible, since Jesus said we are responsible if we cause one' of these little ones' to sin, better to throw us in the river. Right?
I feel responsible for every word that comes from my mouth, and into this computer as well. I take God very seriously, as that is my final destination, with Him. So, doctrine, or Holy Spirit causing me to finds truths, challenging a doctrine placed as law by man?
I understand the content toward OSAS, yet there is much content that questions OSAS.
I have to be judged for my actions at the end, God be it that I put a church doctrine up instead of my heart. I want to believe it, and in a way do, as I stated earlier. I saw, this isn't the 'accepted' OSAS. That's ok. I will be able to serve my God, follow my heart, just the same. Problem is God called me into this doctrine, and now, I know not what to do.
I can't look a newly born soul in the eyes, and tell them they will regardless; go with Jesus because they simply accepted Him as they're Saviour. What about the Jerusalem decree?
Why the need for that? If anyone should have understood what Christ taught, I would assume it was the disciples, especially Peter.
Lets look at another piece of scripture.
When professed Christians deny eternal security, they are actually making an attack upon the very gospel itself. Because one must believe in the perseverance of the saints in order to accurately teach the good news of the unmerited favor of God. The gospel is of Grace.
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