I am a Christian!

[Visage of Glory]

If my pastor claimed to be a prophet and then spoke in the name of God something that contradicted the Bible, I would personally lead the committee to remove him from his position. Heck, I would confront him as a mere pastor if he chose to teach un-Biblically and depending on his reaction and whether he chose to repent and make it right, he may still need to be removed. The Word of God is not something to be trifled with and a leader has no business leading if they are not firmly grounded in Gods Word, the Bible.

That is not what I talking about. What if he talks about something that you do not agree with him on. Do you accept it as binding since he is your leader? I doubt it. Do you just accept it as his opinion, and maybe try to show him the error of his ways?

 

[CrownCaster]

That is not what I talking about. What if he talks about something that you do not agree with him on. Do you accept it as binding since he is your leader? I doubt it. Do you just accept it as his opinion, and maybe try to show him the error of his ways?

If he is teaching the church and teaches something that is non-Biblical then he is completely out of line and I would not make any excuses for it. He would need a stern rebuke and a clear warning about this happening in the future. If he continued to hold such a belief as truth, then he would need to be taken out of that place he was in.

 

[emerald Dragon]

Do you even know what mormonism teaches?

If you did, there is no way you'd make that comment.

Amazingly, if you truly knew what the LDS church teaches, Wrigley, you would make no such comments as I have quoted you saying. Have a nice day!

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

 

[emerald Dragon]

According to mormon doctrine, the atonement of Christ (incidentally they highlight Gethsemane rather than the crucifixion and resurrection) was ONLY to handle sins AFTER the person "did all they could do" or Christ is like Overdraft protection on a checking account. That is Not MY Jesus

Yes it is. After all we can do is simply the practice of repentance. He doesn't save us unless we want to be saved, and request that saving ordinance.

Also, in the doctrine of the Church, no Goddess exists, God did not come from man, etc. These are all speculations by early members of the Church, but are not the doctrine of the Church. Please get your facts straight, sll those who claim this.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

 

[unbound]

Yes it is. After all we can do is simply the practice of repentance. He doesn't save us unless we want to be saved, and request that saving ordinance.

Also, in the doctrine of the Church, no Goddess exists, God did not come from man, etc. These are all speculations by early members of the Church, but are not the doctrine of the Church. Please get your facts straight, sll those who claim this.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

The doctrine that God was once a man and lived on a planet is still taught in the church today.

Gospel Principles Chapter 47 Exaltation:

This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46).

You say one thing, but your teaching material says another.

How can you be honest with yourself when you even deny what your teaching manuals say?

 

[CrownCaster]

Yes it is. After all we can do is simply the practice of repentance.

See, but you are still mistaken. Repentance is not of us. It is also a gift given to us from God. We would never seek God if He did not place it in our hearts to do so. We love our sin too much. Faith is not ours but Gods and He give it to whom He will.

 

[calgal]

Yes it is. After all we can do is simply the practice of repentance. He doesn't save us unless we want to be saved, and request that saving ordinance.

Also, in the doctrine of the Church, no Goddess exists, God did not come from man, etc. These are all speculations by early members of the Church, but are not the doctrine of the Church. Please get your facts straight, sll those who claim this.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

ED, check out the Green Hymnal in the pew in front of you tomorrow and make special notice of Hymn 292. Here it is for your viewing pleasure (relevant parts highlighted)

O My Father, Hymn No. 292 in the 1985 LDS Hymnal

1. O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious place, When shall I regain thy presence And again behold thy face? In thy holy habitation, Did my spirit once reside? In my first primeval childhood, Was I nurtured near thy side?

2. For a wise and glorious purpose Thou hast placed me here on earth And withheld the recollection Of my former friends and birth; Yet ofttimes a secret something Whispered,"You're a stranger here," And I felt that I had wandered From a more exalted sphere.

3. I had learned to call thee Father, Thru thy Spirit from on high, But, until the key of knowledge Was restored, I knew not why. In the heav'ns are parents single? No, the thought makes reason stare! Truth is reason, truth eternal Tells me I've a mother there.

4. When I leave this frail existence, When I lay this mortal by, Father, Mother, may I meet you In your royal courts on high? Then, at length, when I've completed All you sent me forth to do, With your mutual approbation Let me come and dwell with you.

 

[Apex]

The doctrine that God was once a man and lived on a planet is still taught in the church today.

Gospel Principles Chapter 47 Exaltation:

This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46).

You say one thing, but your teaching material says another.

How can you be honest with yourself when you even deny what your teaching manuals say?

He said it wasnt doctrine. It is mentiond in the gospel principles and thats the only place I know of. Also the title "Gospel Principles" does not mean "Gospel Doctrine".

 

[Wrigley]

Amazingly, if you truly knew what the LDS church teaches, Wrigley, you would make no such comments as I have quoted you saying. Have a nice day!

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

Thing is young man, I do know what the mormon church teaches, which is why I can say with so much confidence what I posted.

 

[calgal]

He said it wasnt doctrine. It is mentiond in the gospel principles and thats the only place I know of. Also the title "Gospel Principles" does not mean "Gospel Doctrine".

D&C 121:http://3232 According to that which was ordained in the midst of the http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/121/32b#32bCouncil of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/121/32e#32epresence and into his immortal rest.

Council of the gods?

 

[Apex]

D&C 121:32 According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.

Council of the gods?

Huh??? I think you are taking this verse way out of context.

 

[Apex]

D&C 121:32 According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.

Council of the gods?

Could you please explain by what you mean by this verse?

 

[CrownCaster]

He said it wasnt doctrine. It is mentiond in the gospel principles and thats the only place I know of. Also the title "Gospel Principles" does not mean "Gospel Doctrine".

This excuse has gotten pathetic. If it is taught then I dont give a @#$@#@#$ what you call it. People are being led to hell by your "unofficial doctrine" and that is enough to make your church a pawn of satan. Call it what you will but when you stand before God to be judged for it, I dont think your silly excuse of what was official or not is going to mean a single thing.

 

[CrownCaster]

Huh??? I think you are taking this verse way out of context.

Yes, that must be it. Please enlighten us so we too can be good mormons who twist the truth and follow the prophet at the peril of our souls. PLEASE GIVE US THIS FURTHER LIGHT AND KNOWLEDGE!!!!

 

[Wrigley]

This excuse has gotten pathetic. If it is taught then I dont give a @#$@#@#$ what you call it. People are being led to hell by your "unofficial doctrine" and that is enough to make your church a pawn of satan. Call it what you will but when you stand before God to be judged for it, I dont think your silly excuse of what was official or not is going to mean a single thing.

Well stated. This issue you raised it one reason I sometimes take a break from this board. I was watching the Bush/Kerry debate last night and listening to Kerry's answers reminded me of some of the discussions on the board.

 

[unbound]

He said it wasnt doctrine. It is mentiond in the gospel principles and thats the only place I know of. Also the title "Gospel Principles" does not mean "Gospel Doctrine".

You cant have it both ways.

Gospel Doctrine is an official teaching manual, so you can not deny that the doctrine is taught in church.

I have seen the book handed out in LDS sunday class, so it seems as if you are insulting my intelligence here, as well as others who know for a fact that this book is used for teaching church doctrine.

Are you guys trained to squirm around the issues like this? Do you even realize what you are doing?

 

[unbound]

Well stated. This issue you raised it one reason I sometimes take a break from this board. I was watching the Bush/Kerry debate last night and listening to Kerry's answers reminded me of some of the discussions on the board.

A majority of the politicians have thier allegiances elsewhere. One things for sure, this country wouldnt be trillions in debt and making us compete with slave labor in communist countries if these guys were half the christians they say they are. Reps and Dems alike. Skull and Bones 4-ever!

 

[CrownCaster]

Well stated. This issue you raised it one reason I sometimes take a break from this board. I was watching the Bush/Kerry debate last night and listening to Kerry's answers reminded me of some of the discussions on the board.

Kerry makes my skin crawl.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Kerry makes my skin crawl.

Bush and Kerry both tick me off. Those debates were pathetic. Neither one of them even answered the questions they were asked, they just said, "thank you for asking that" and then went off on topics that had nothing to do with what they were asked in the first place. This election is going to be nothing more than picking "the lesser of 2 evils".

OK, now that I got that off my chest. Back to the topic of the thread. LOL

 

[calgal]

Bush and Kerry both tick me off. Those debates were pathetic. Neither one of them even answered the questions they were asked, they just said, "thank you for asking that" and then went off on topics that had nothing to do with what they were asked in the first place. This election is going to be nothing more than picking "the lesser of 2 evils".

OK, now that I got that off my chest. Back to the topic of the thread. LOL