I am a Christian!

[Katzpur]

You are joking, right? hon, the mormons use the same terminology we Christians do BUT the intent and meaning are radically different. Their Jesus is an ascended man (as is their God) from another planet who were given this planet as a playtoy. They are part of a FOUR God (three gods and a muteeternally pregnant goddess) pantheon. At best, the mormons are henotheistic.

You are truly unbelievable. I've been a Mormon all my life and here you are telling me what I believe! It's too bad you can't produce one shred of evidence to substantiate these lies (three gods and a muteeternally -- whatever that may be -- pregnant goddess), but I'll tell you one thing: Your posts speak far worse of you than they do of us. If you honestly think your Lord and Savior is pleased by these ("the end justifies the means") tactics, you don't know Him as well as you'd like to think. I feel very, very sorry for you.

 

[calgal]

You are truly unbelievable. I've been a Mormon all my life and here you are telling me what I believe! It's too bad you can't produce one shred of evidence to substantiate these lies (three gods and a muteeternally -- whatever that may be -- pregnant goddess), but I'll tell you one thing: Your posts speak far worse of you than they do of us. If you honestly think your Lord and Savior is pleased by these ("the end justifies the means") tactics, you don't know Him as well as you'd like to think. I feel very, very sorry for you.

Questions to the mormons on this forum:

Who is Heavenly Mother? What is her purpose? Why is it forbidden to know or speak Her name? Why can you not pray to her without being summoned to a bishop's court? Her function like unto all Celestial Kingdom women is to bear children through all ages of time and throughout all eternity.

Apology to ALL my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters for the next paragraph. NO insult intended towards The Virgin Mary (this is the mormon view on the Divine Conception)

Three Gods: God the Father = Elohim (temple movie post 1990) with a physical body of flesh and bone. Jesus = Jehovah (same film) with body of flesh and bone, conceived by Elohim having physical relations with Mary. Holy Ghost = god with no body but separate and distinct from the other two. Heavenly Mother = producer of children to be sent to earth to "pass their mortal test" to become gods. My pagan friends make it easier: God and Goddess duo or a pantheon.

 

[unbound]

"Some ("holier-than- thou" students) begin to pray directly to Christ because of some special friendship they feel has been developed. In this conception a current and unwise book, which advocates gaining a special relationship with Jesus, contains this sentence - quote: "Because the Saviour is our mediator, our prayers go through Christ to the Father, and the Father answers our prayers through his son. " Unquote. This is plain sectarian nonsense. Our prayers are addressed to the Father, and to him only. They do not go through Christ...You have never heard the First Presidency or the Twelve...advocate this excessive zeal that calls for gaining a so called special and personal relationship with Christ...never, never at any time have they taught or endorsed the inordinate and intemperate zeal that encourages endless, sometimes day-long prayers, in order to gain a personal relationship with the Saviour...I wonder if it is not part of Lucifer's system to make people feel they are special friends of Jesus when in fact they are not following the normal and usual pattern of worship found in the true Church." (Bruce McConkie, Speech at BYU on March 2 1982).

Whoa! Was this guy loaded with a demonic spirit to say such blasphemies, or what?!

They sure dont like you to have a relationship with Christ out of thier "church".

Maybe this nut is talking about HIS God, because it sure doesnt sound like mine!

 

[Katzpur]

Questions to the mormons on this forum:

Who is Heavenly Mother? What is her purpose? Why is it forbidden to know or speak Her name? Why can you not pray to her without being summoned to a bishop's court? Her function like unto all Celestial Kingdom women is to bear children through all ages of time and throughout all eternity.

Apology to ALL my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters for the next paragraph. NO insult intended towards The Virgin Mary (this is the mormon view on the Divine Conception)

Three Gods: God the Father = Elohim (temple movie post 1990) with a physical body of flesh and bone. Jesus = Jehovah (same film) with body of flesh and bone, conceived by Elohim having physical relations with Mary. Holy Ghost = god with no body but separate and distinct from the other two. Heavenly Mother = producer of children to be sent to earth to "pass their mortal test" to become gods. My pagan friends make it easier: God and Goddess duo or a pantheon.

Calgal,

Heavenly Mother is Heavenly Father's eternal companion. We have not been taught what her "purpose" is, but to me it is entirely logical that if God is our Father in Heaven, we also have a Mother in Heaven. It's forbidden to know or speak her name? Where on earth are you getting your information? We were instructed to pray to our Father in Heaven by His Son, Jesus Christ. As far as I'm concerned, that's a good enough reason to not pray to anyone else.

As I'm sure you are well aware, we teach that Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin Mary. Had she had physical relations with Elohim in order to conceive her Son, she would no longer be a virgin. If you're going to make such a statement, how about a direct quote? You are obviously misinterpreting LDS doctrine.

Kathryn

 

[Wrigley]

Whoa! Was this guy loaded with a demonic spirit to say such blasphemies, or what?!

They sure dont like you to have a relationship with Christ out of thier "church".

Maybe this nut is talking about HIS God, because it sure doesnt sound like mine!

I know what you mean. It's always enlightening to hear what's said when no one supposed to be listening.

 

[BornAgainChristian]

To let you all know, I am a Christian. I have accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. Without Him, I cannot be saved. He accepted my sins in the Garden of Getsemene, and died on the cross, and has paid the price. I know that if I repent of my sins, and pray to Him for forgiveness, He will wash away my sins, and I will be saved. I believe in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost. I am ever grateful for the guidance they have given to me, and for the many blessings that they have bestowed on me. Words cannot begin to express my gratitude.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

That's great! May God bless you, too.


I'm glad that you've became a Christian! I feel the same as you. Welcome to the family of God!

 

[calgal]

Calgal,

Heavenly Mother is Heavenly Father's eternal companion. We have not been taught what her "purpose" is, but to me it is entirely logical that if God is our Father in Heaven, we also have a Mother in Heaven. It's forbidden to know or speak her name? Where on earth are you getting your information? We were instructed to pray to our Father in Heaven by His Son, Jesus Christ. As far as I'm concerned, that's a good enough reason to not pray to anyone else.

As I'm sure you are well aware, we teach that Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin Mary. Had she had physical relations with Elohim in order to conceive her Son, she would no longer be a virgin. If you're going to make such a statement, how about a direct quote? You are obviously misinterpreting LDS doctrine.

Kathryn

Your FIRST prophet stated the following: "I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three gods" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370).

And as for Heavenly Mother, Bruce R McConkie said the following:

"This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in plainness by the First Presidency of the Church (Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund) when in speaking of pre-existence and the origin of man, they said that 'man as a spirit was begotten and born of heavenly parents and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father'" (Mormon Doctrine pg 516)

Where is her name mentioned in the Temple Ceremony? I recall the Jehovah and Elohim with Michael/Adam but nary a word about a goddess. Janice Allred was excommunicated for speaking of and praying to Heavenly Mother. If your information was correct, why was Mrs Allred excommunicated?

Brigham Young made the following statement about the conception of Christ:
"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood — was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." Journal of Discourses v 8 pg 115

Ezra Taft Benson's statement as prophet:
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which he performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He Begotten by the Holy Ghost. He is the Son of the Eternal Father." (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pages 6-7)
Any questions?

 

[Katzpur]

Where is her name mentioned in the Temple Ceremony? I recall the Jehovah and Elohim with Michael/Adam but nary a word about a goddess. Janice Allred was excommunicated for speaking of and praying to Heavenly Mother. If your information was correct, why was Mrs Allred excommunicated?

Her name is not mentioned in the temple ceremony. So what? I don't know why Janice Allred was excommunicated nor do I care.

Brigham Young made the following statement about the conception of Christ:
"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood — was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." Journal of Discourses v 8 pg 115

Ezra Taft Benson's statement as prophet:
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which he performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He Begotten by the Holy Ghost. He is the Son of the Eternal Father." (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pages 6-7)
Any questions?

So you don't believe that Jesus Christ was begotten of the Father? All that these statements are intended to convey is that Jesus Christ is the literally Son of God and not simply one of the ways God makes Himself known to man. He was sired by the Father, not by the Holy Ghost. He is the Son of "the Highest" and "the Highest" is God the Father. I don't see anywhere in either of these statements that said, "God had sex with Mary." If you want to read that into them, be my guest.

Kathryn

 

[Jason of Wyoming]

You are truly unbelievable. I've been a Mormon all my life and here you are telling me what I believe! It's too bad you can't produce one shred of evidence to substantiate these lies (three gods and a muteeternally -- whatever that may be -- pregnant goddess), but I'll tell you one thing: Your posts speak far worse of you than they do of us. If you honestly think your Lord and Savior is pleased by these ("the end justifies the means") tactics, you don't know Him as well as you'd like to think. I feel very, very sorry for you.

Im sorry that you claim to be so well read, but obviously haven't done your homework yet:

You will see the time when you will have millions of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will be mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you have assisted in peopling one earth, there are millions of earths still in the course of creation. (Brigham Young, JD 8:208)

We shall not be idle. We shall go on from one step to another, reaching forth into the eternites until we become like the Gods, and shall be able to frame for ourselves, by the behest and command of the Almighty. All those who are counted worthy to be Gods, even the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed this and millions and millions of others. (Brigham Young, JD 17:143)

 

[Wrigley]

Her name is not mentioned in the temple ceremony. So what? I don't know why Janice Allred was excommunicated nor do I care.


So you don't believe that Jesus Christ was begotten of the Father? All that these statements are intended to convey is that Jesus Christ is the literally Son of God and not simply one of the ways God makes Himself known to man. He was sired by the Father, not by the Holy Ghost. He is the Son of "the Highest" and "the Highest" is God the Father. I don't see anywhere in either of these statements that said, "God had sex with Mary." If you want to read that into them, be my guest.

Kathryn

The Nicene Creed will help you understand what calgal believes.

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

 

[neocon]

To let you all know, I am a Christian. I have accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. Without Him, I cannot be saved. He accepted my sins in the Garden of Getsemene, and died on the cross, and has paid the price. I know that if I repent of my sins, and pray to Him for forgiveness, He will wash away my sins, and I will be saved. I believe in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost. I am ever grateful for the guidance they have given to me, and for the many blessings that they have bestowed on me. Words cannot begin to express my gratitude.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

Sooooooooo, what need have you of Joe Smith?

 

[fatboys]

Im sorry that you claim to be so well read, but obviously haven't done your homework yet:

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You will see the time when you will have millions of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will be mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you have assisted in peopling one earth, there are millions of earths still in the course of creation. (Brigham Young, JD 8:208)





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We shall not be idle. We shall go on from one step to another, reaching forth into the eternites until we become like the Gods, and shall be able to frame for ourselves, by the behest and command of the Almighty. All those who are counted worthy to be Gods, even the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed this and millions and millions of others. (Brigham Young, JD 17:143) [/quote]

FB: What part of the scriptures is this found in? Oh I forgot you take every bit uttered from the prophets as scriptures. Maybe that is where you went haywire. For some it is hard to know what is scripture and what is not. Just kidding. That is why we have the four standard works. But lets suppose for a second that what Brigham Young was true.. What he is saying that there is more to eternity than spending an eternity on our knees worshipping God. We can worship him by helping in building his kingdom when we become as we are commanded to be perfect as he is. I find it hard to believe that you would go from believing that you could take part in creation to spending eternity on bended knee with the soul purpose of giving glory through worshipping only. What purpose is that?

 

[Jason of Wyoming]

FB: What part of the scriptures is this found in? Oh I forgot you take every bit uttered from the prophets as scriptures. Maybe that is where you went haywire. For some it is hard to know what is scripture and what is not. Just kidding. That is why we have the four standard works. But lets suppose for a second that what Brigham Young was true.. What he is saying that there is more to eternity than spending an eternity on our knees worshipping God. We can worship him by helping in building his kingdom when we become as we are commanded to be perfect as he is. I find it hard to believe that you would go from believing that you could take part in creation to spending eternity on bended knee with the soul purpose of giving glory through worshipping only. What purpose is that?

That's why Im a Christian, and you're a mormon.

 

[unbound]

What he is saying that there is more to eternity than spending an eternity on our knees worshipping God. We can worship him by helping in building his kingdom when we become as we are commanded to be perfect as he is. I find it hard to believe that you would go from believing that you could take part in creation to spending eternity on bended knee with the soul purpose of giving glory through worshipping only. What purpose is that?

You just couldnt do it, you couldnt say BY was full of hot air.

See, the problem with this, is you also must accept the rest of the doctrine, you know the "gods without beginning" bit. Likewise, the God having parents, then on to heavenly mother, god with flesh and bones, so on and so forth.

The bible says only ONE God, none before him, HE KNOWS OF NO OTHER GOD BEFORE HIM! WHy do you want to promote Mr.Youngs blasphemies? Just say he was full of it and move on!

But you cant, its "doctrine" and it IS taught, the smoke screen of "its not official doctrine" doesnt really work too well.

What are we going to be doing for eternity? Hmm, well I can tell you that heaven is definately not like anything we know, perhaps "work" takes on a whole new meaning in a place like that. One thing I know for sure, we wont be for "stud service" to the planets, and we wont be little godlets with thier own worlds.

 

[skylark1]

What part of the scriptures is this found in? Oh I forgot you take every bit uttered from the prophets as scriptures. Maybe that is where you went haywire. For some it is hard to know what is scripture and what is not. Just kidding. That is why we have the four standard works. But lets suppose for a second that what Brigham Young was true.. What he is saying that there is more to eternity than spending an eternity on our knees worshipping God. We can worship him by helping in building his kingdom when we become as we are commanded to be perfect as he is. I find it hard to believe that you would go from believing that you could take part in creation to spending eternity on bended knee with the soul purpose of giving glory through worshipping only. What purpose is that?

FB,

Am I understanding you correctly? Do you honestly believe that worshipping God consists of trying to become perfect as He is?

How do you define worship?

 

[CrownCaster]

To let you all know, I am a Christian. I have accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. Without Him, I cannot be saved. He accepted my sins in the Garden of Getsemene, and died on the cross, and has paid the price. I know that if I repent of my sins, and pray to Him for forgiveness, He will wash away my sins, and I will be saved. I believe in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost. I am ever grateful for the guidance they have given to me, and for the many blessings that they have bestowed on me. Words cannot begin to express my gratitude.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

You know ED, I hope that this is true and if it is, I dont care what anyone says. I am very glad for you. I will praise God for any sinner who accepts Christ as the start and finish of salvation, be they mormon or not. God is above all the garbage and strings. If you are truly born again, I say welcome aboard brother.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

FB: What part of the scriptures is this found in? Oh I forgot you take every bit uttered from the prophets as scriptures. Maybe that is where you went haywire. For some it is hard to know what is scripture and what is not. Just kidding. That is why we have the four standard works. But lets suppose for a second that what Brigham Young was true.. What he is saying that there is more to eternity than spending an eternity on our knees worshipping God. We can worship him by helping in building his kingdom when we become as we are commanded to be perfect as he is. I find it hard to believe that you would go from believing that you could take part in creation to spending eternity on bended knee with the soul purpose of giving glory through worshipping only. What purpose is that?

What purpose is that? You can't be serious!!!!! May God forgive you for your lack of awe and respect towards Him.

 

[mawuvi]

So Emerald Dragon seems to have renounced being a Mormon, changed his icon to identify his new found faith - Christianity and accept Jesus as his new found saviour and the holier than thou sect are still attacking him? Wow. It goes to show doesn't it what drives some of us?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

To let you all know, I am a Christian. I have accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. Without Him, I cannot be saved. He accepted my sins in the Garden of Getsemene, and died on the cross, and has paid the price. I know that if I repent of my sins, and pray to Him for forgiveness, He will wash away my sins, and I will be saved. I believe in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost. I am ever grateful for the guidance they have given to me, and for the many blessings that they have bestowed on me. Words cannot begin to express my gratitude.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

ED, I am confused by this. Are you saying that you are no longer a Mormon? Just in a few days you went from staunchly defending lds teachings to changing to a Christian icon and saying that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord an Savior?

I realize that this could happen and maybe you are very sincire, I hope you are. It just seems odd to me that this change happened so quickly. Most TBM's don't defend and believe the lds teachings one day and then go "christian" the next day. It usually takes a lot of thought and soul searching and just doesn't happen over night.

Am I correct by thinking that you are saying you are no longer Mormon and if I am, maybe you could tell us what brought about this very sudden change?

 

[Breetai]

To let you all know, I am a Christian. I have accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. Without Him, I cannot be saved. He accepted my sins in the Garden of Getsemene, and died on the cross, and has paid the price. I know that if I repent of my sins, and pray to Him for forgiveness, He will wash away my sins, and I will be saved. I believe in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost. I am ever grateful for the guidance they have given to me, and for the many blessings that they have bestowed on me. Words cannot begin to express my gratitude.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

Your wording makes me skeptical that you have abondoned the false teachings of the LDS scriptures. You still seem to emphesis that Jesus took on your sins at Gethsemene, when He did not do so until the cross. You're still saying that you have to actually do something, aside from having faith in Christ, to be forgiven for your sins. You're still seperating Jesus from God and the Holy Ghost from God.

I don't really expect you to understand those things right away, but those are things that are taught within the CoJCoLDS that are not in the Bible.

So like everyone else, I'm wondering what brought about your announcement that you have rejected the LDS idea of salvation and God, and accepted what the Bible teaches; and when, if you, did you reject Joseph Smith Jr., his teachings as being from God and reject the CoJCoLDS as being the only true church?

Oh ya, you forgot to update your profile.

BTW, in your two posts that you posted after starting this thread(one actually being a thread("You've Got Questions, the LDS have the Answers"), you tell us that you still accept the false teachings of the CoJCoLDS. You are bearing false witness with starting this thread.