I am a Christian!

[Apex]

You are bearing false witness with starting this thread.

He isnt bearing flase witness by starting this thread. He is a Christian, as am I, you and just about everyone on this site. The only bearing of false witness here is people claiming they know what others belive.

 

[Jason of Wyoming]

FB: What part of the scriptures is this found in? Oh I forgot you take every bit uttered from the prophets as scriptures.

If you don't believe it, then why are you a mormon, who believes in a "living" prophet? Why do you sustain these men as prophets twice a year, but doubt their words?

Who's the hypocrite?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

He isnt bearing flase witness by starting this thread. He is a Christian, as am I, you and just about everyone on this site. The only bearing of false witness here is people claiming they know what others belive.

"Apex", did you not notice that he deliberatly changed his icon from lds to a christian icon and then turned around and still supported lds beliefs. I agree with Breetia, it appears that "ED" is being deceptive. I am really hoping that ED is just confused rather than deliberatly dishonest in this situation but the evidence is against him.

 

[fatboys]

If you don't believe it, then why are you a mormon, who believes in a "living" prophet? Why do you sustain these men as prophets twice a year, but doubt their words?

Who's the hypocrite?

FB: I never said I was not a hypocrite. I am one. So are you Jason. I bet you don't believe you are, do you? I would say that most people who call others hypocrites are the biggest. I have never called you a hypocrite because I am one. Judge not Jason.

Now as for the reasons I sustain the leaders of the church. I believe them to be called of God as it was done in ancient times. I believe they speak to God face to face as a man speaketh to another. That sets them apart from those of us who pray to God and receive inspiration and guidence from God through the Holy Ghost. And I don't doubt their words. They just are not scripture to me, and they have no affect on me if they are true or false. None. They do not help me in pushing me futher to knowing Christ. They are their words which may or may not be great information. But to know Christ is a personal journey. We are given tools in which help us to easier make this journey. We are not left to flounder if we ask.

 

[Jason of Wyoming]

fatboyo,

We are all hypocrites. We are all sinners. And your leaders are not set apart from anyone else. They don't talk face to face with God anymore than you or I do.

Wake up!

 

[Starcrystal]

I haven't been on these threads in a long time. Now I know why. It's just a clash of swords. (spiritually speaking)
Maybe we should all go out into the woods, leave our varied holy books and church doctrines at home, and seek to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. then maybe the Holy Spirit will be able to break down all the walls of "my way is right-ism" and the light of Christ will shine......

 

[joebobned]

And your leaders are not set apart from anyone else.

I'm interested in knowing how your leaders are set apart. Are they?

 

[Breetai]

I haven't been on these threads in a long time. Now I know why. It's just a clash of swords. (spiritually speaking)
Maybe we should all go out into the woods, leave our varied holy books and church doctrines at home, and seek to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. then maybe the Holy Spirit will be able to break down all the walls of "my way is right-ism" and the light of Christ will shine......

Then we'd call you a wiccan.

 

[CrownCaster]

FB: I never said I was not a hypocrite. I am one. So are you Jason. I bet you don't believe you are, do you? I would say that most people who call others hypocrites are the biggest. I have never called you a hypocrite because I am one. Judge not Jason.

Now as for the reasons I sustain the leaders of the church. I believe them to be called of God as it was done in ancient times. I believe they speak to God face to face as a man speaketh to another. That sets them apart from those of us who pray to God and receive inspiration and guidence from God through the Holy Ghost. And I don't doubt their words. They just are not scripture to me, and they have no affect on me if they are true or false. None. They do not help me in pushing me futher to knowing Christ. They are their words which may or may not be great information. But to know Christ is a personal journey. We are given tools in which help us to easier make this journey. We are not left to flounder if we ask.

The idea of believing someone speaks face to face with God (which according to the Bible cannot be done while alive) and then not accepting such a persons teachings which would obviously be straight from the mouth of God as doctrine just does not compute to me. Could you help me understand how you can do this? thanks.

 

[Serapha]

To let you all know, I am a Christian. I have accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. Without Him, I cannot be saved. He accepted my sins in the Garden of Getsemene, and died on the cross, and has paid the price. I know that if I repent of my sins, and pray to Him for forgiveness, He will wash away my sins, and I will be saved. I believe in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost. I am ever grateful for the guidance they have given to me, and for the many blessings that they have bestowed on me. Words cannot begin to express my gratitude.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

Hi there!



Might I ask you, what were you saved from?



If you say "disobedience to God", then I have to ask you...


Ps 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
Have you hid God's Word in your heart? Or, have you hid the added words of man in your heart. You see, to accept the book of mormon is to reject a part of God's Word as it was given to man and preserved thoughout the ages.

The book of mormon is not the "most perfect" book... particularly where it conflicts with the Bible.

So, I want to ask you, what were you saved from?

~serapha~

 

[eksesar]

To let you all know, I am a Christian. I have accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. Without Him, I cannot be saved. He accepted my sins in the Garden of Getsemene, and died on the cross, and has paid the price. I know that if I repent of my sins, and pray to Him for forgiveness, He will wash away my sins, and I will be saved. I believe in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost. I am ever grateful for the guidance they have given to me, and for the many blessings that they have bestowed on me. Words cannot begin to express my gratitude.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

That's good, really good, as I am remembered when I was a JW. I was mislead by the Watchtower Society that I have to believe it that I have to endured to the end in the Society[proclaims God's Kingdom]. in Fact that When I read Matt 10:22 talked about Following JESUS and IS NOT endured to the Watchtower Society 'till the end.
That's the one of the HIDDEN DOCTRINES when I was in the Cult.
YES, Jesus who talked in Matt 10:22 or Matt 24:13. and the Watchtower has been mislead me for so loooong. Now I realised that I have to follow Jesus rather than joined in the Cult[Watchtower].

So, Every time I read Matt 10:22 or Matt 24:13, all I can think is "then why don't I called myself Jesus's Witnesses rather than Jehovah's Witnesses?"

Then, Matt 10:22 or Matt 24:13 became my Favorites Verse.

How does the Watchtower reconcile Matthew 10:22 NWT?


"And you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved."(NWT)

Every time I read this all I can think is "then why don't they call themselves Jesus' Witnesses?" Has anyone else wondered this or know how the Watchtower's response to this? I'm sure they have one.

The Watchtower 10/1/1999, p. 17-21, study article "You Can Endure to the End". Matthew 24:13 occurs in 4 times.


Pretty funny, isn't it?

 

[Visage of Glory]

The idea of believing someone speaks face to face with God (which according to the Bible cannot be done while alive) and then not accepting such a persons teachings which would obviously be straight from the mouth of God as doctrine just does not compute to me. Could you help me understand how you can do this? thanks.

I think Moses was alive here.

Exodus 33:11

11. And the LORD spake utno Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Now, lets talk about rejecting the teachings of the Prophet. If what he says as been recieved this by revelation or by communication from God, then I think his word is binding. If, however, he is teaching what he has learned, but has not been revealed, then that is his opinion, and it is up to the member to accept or disagree. It would be like your preacher saying something on the pulpit. Do you have to accept it as revelation? We do believe in modern revelation, but the Prophet is also capably of teaching by his own understanding as well.

 

[eksesar]

I think Moses was alive here.

Exodus 33:11

11. And the LORD spake utno Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Now, lets talk about rejecting the teachings of the Prophet. If what he says as been recieved this by revelation or by communication from God, then I think his word is binding. If, however, he is teaching what he has learned, but has not been revealed, then that is his opinion, and it is up to the member to accept or disagree. It would be like your preacher saying something on the pulpit. Do you have to accept it as revelation? We do believe in modern revelation, but the Prophet is also capably of teaching by his own understanding as well.

Wait....did I need a prophet right now after Jesus died? I don't think so.
Did you know that I have a lot of prophets in the Watchtower when I was still there and believe in the society? Did you ever heard that they[Watchtower] ussually called themself as the prophets from God, God's Channel of Communication, mouthpiece of Jehovah God? Did you know that I'm bored to hear that?

Watchtower is a false prophets when you see the prophecies as a BIG EVIDENT[the BIG ARMAGEDDON which does not OCCUR].

Can you see as I did? Did you still believe with your Society?

 

[Serapha]

I think Moses was alive here.

Exodus 33:11

11. And the LORD spake utno Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Now, lets talk about rejecting the teachings of the Prophet. If what he says as been recieved this by revelation or by communication from God, then I think his word is binding. If, however, he is teaching what he has learned, but has not been revealed, then that is his opinion, and it is up to the member to accept or disagree. It would be like your preacher saying something on the pulpit. Do you have to accept it as revelation? We do believe in modern revelation, but the Prophet is also capably of teaching by his own understanding as well.

Hi there!



The passage in Exodus 33:11 states that Moses and God talked face-to-face, but this certainly could not be absolute, for no one can "see" God, who is spirit, and one must know that the "face" is anthropomorphic. The passage in Exodus 33:18-23 identifies that the Lord was willing to give Moses His name and to reveal the ever-present glory of His backside, but not the true face of God. For God is spirit (John 4:24), and only the Son has seen God and lived.

Do you have to accept it as revelation?

This is where the differences come into play... You are comparing "new revelation" from the "prophet" to the interpretation of "old revelation" from the known Word of God, and saying that we, the listeners, have a choice to accept or reject the "old revelation"


You are comparing apples to oranges.


~serapha~

 

[mawuvi]

I think Moses was alive here.

Exodus 33:11

11. And the LORD spake utno Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Now, lets talk about rejecting the teachings of the Prophet. If what he says as been recieved this by revelation or by communication from God, then I think his word is binding. If, however, he is teaching what he has learned, but has not been revealed, then that is his opinion, and it is up to the member to accept or disagree. It would be like your preacher saying something on the pulpit. Do you have to accept it as revelation? We do believe in modern revelation, but the Prophet is also capably of teaching by his own understanding as well.

Moses NEVER had direct dealings with YHWH let alone talk to him face to face. Angels acted as Ambassadors of YHWH in this regard. The following are the scriptures that explains the interaction between Moses, the Israelites and YHWH. As you can see from scripture it was all done by the Angels.


Acts 7:30 And when forty years were fulfilled, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush. 31 And when Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold, there came a voice of the Lord, 32 I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob. And Moses trembled, and durst not behold. 33 And the Lord said unto him, Loose the shoes from thy feet: for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 34 I have surely seen the affliction of my people that is in Egypt, and have heard their groaning, and I am come down to deliver them: and now come, I will send thee into Egypt. 35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? him hath God sent to be both a ruler and a deliverer with the hand of the angel that appeared to him in the bush.

Acts 7:53 ye who received the law as it was ordained by angels, and kept it not.

 

[Apex]

Moses NEVER had direct dealings with YHWH let alone talk to him face to face. Angels acted as Ambassadors of YHWH in this regard. The following are the scriptures that explains the interaction between Moses, the Israelites and YHWH. As you can see from scripture it was all done by the Angels.

Exodus 33:11

11. And the LORD spake utno Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Where does it say that Moses NEVER had direct dealings with God? He may of had interactions with angles, but this verse clearly says that Moses sopke directly to God. He may not of seen His face but he saw his hand and back, to me this suggests that God has a body.

 

[mawuvi]

Apex it looks like you read and did not comprehend. Please read my post again.

 

[Starcrystal]

Breetai,
Then we'd call you a wiccan.

Oh No! I've been stereotyped!
Actually Native medicine people would do same (Go into woods, leave holy books at home & commune with the Spirit directly)
Now, let me see for Biblical reference. Adam & Eve walked with God alone in the garden.....until Adam blew it
Jacob set up a stone and had visions of angels.
Moses talked to God alone up on a mountain. (without scrolls, though the second time he brought back some laws )
Elijah spent a whole lotta time in the wilderness, and the Ravens fed him even.
Ezekiel had awesome revelations from God by the river Chebar.
John the Baptist was in the deserts communing with God.
Jesus went 40 days in the wilderness and hung out with angels and wild animals.

Conclusion.....you would have to call me a Biblical character!
And what of those Wiccans?? hmmmmm.

 

[Visage of Glory]

Hi there!



The passage in Exodus 33:11 states that Moses and God talked face-to-face, but this certainly could not be absolute, for no one can "see" God, who is spirit, and one must know that the "face" is anthropomorphic. The passage in Exodus 33:18-23 identifies that the Lord was willing to give Moses His name and to reveal the ever-present glory of His backside, but not the true face of God. For God is spirit (John 4:24), and only the Son has seen God and lived.

Whatever you say. It seems fairly clear to me. How about Genesis 32:30?

30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

(Old Testament | Genesis 32:30)

He called the place "face of God". He saw God's face and his life was "preserved." Please tell me was Jacob the Son? Or do you not accept the scripture as inerrant?

This is where the differences come into play... You are comparing "new revelation" from the "prophet" to the interpretation of "old revelation" from the known Word of God, and saying that we, the listeners, have a choice to accept or reject the "old revelation"


You are comparing apples to oranges.


~serapha~

Actually that is not what I was doing. I was comparing your preacher explaining something to one of our leaders doing the same thing. I don't think neither of us are obligated to accept their teachings as revelation. If however, Gordon B. Hinckley recieved a revelation, and said as much, I would obey. I think it is our obligation to accept revelation whether new or old. But someone's explanation or teaching on an old revelation is not essentially binding.

 

[CrownCaster]

It would be like your preacher saying something on the pulpit. Do you have to accept it as revelation? We do believe in modern revelation, but the Prophet is also capably of teaching by his own understanding as well.

If my pastor claimed to be a prophet and then spoke in the name of God something that contradicted the Bible, I would personally lead the committee to remove him from his position. Heck, I would confront him as a mere pastor if he chose to teach un-Biblically and depending on his reaction and whether he chose to repent and make it right, he may still need to be removed. The Word of God is not something to be trifled with and a leader has no business leading if they are not firmly grounded in Gods Word, the Bible.