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I agree 110% with Joe!

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Always in His Presence

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Europe is doing just fine .. thank you very much! May be live in Europe few years before criticizing their policy!

Who criticized their policy? They are a strong capitalist type of economy that has socialist programs.

Did you know that Denmark has no minimum wage?
 
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Who criticized their policy? They are a strong capitalist type of economy that has socialist programs.

Did you know that Denmark has no minimum wage?
Do they need one? Their McDonald's workers earn the equivalent of $22/hr - with benefits.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/08/denmark-minimum-wage-mcdonalds-aoc/

"Flexicurity" - sounds good.
 
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Do they need one? Their McDonald's workers earn the equivalent of $22/hr - with benefits.

Yup. 11.00 of it goes to the government in taxes and fees.
 
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...except as a US citizen you fully enjoy that socialism. You just ignore the fact that there are many socialist aspects to your daily life which you value and would fight to preserve.

But it's good that you can ignore those things you don't like while enjoying the benefits of those things.
 
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Europe is doing just fine .. thank you very much! May be live in Europe few years before criticizing their policy!

It's hilarious to read critiques of Western Europe's socialism from folks who clearly have never had any business dealings with folks in Europe. On my many trips to work in Finland, Belgium and the UK my European coworkers were perfectly happy capitalists. One guy even had is own cabin on the Baltic. I don't have that and I'm a life-long American. I'm lucky if I have one home. Oh yeah, and I live in fear of losing my healthcare coverage. Something my European coworkers don't worry about.
 
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Who criticized their policy? They are a strong capitalist type of economy that has socialist programs.

Did you know that Denmark has no minimum wage?

Perhaps, we should consider this in another thread. Do you support the welfare system of Denmark, with a much more vibrant capitalist economic/market system and a welfare state set of safety net programs?
I would be fine with no minimum wage if we had Denmark's safety net programs.
 
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Dozens of ways depending on whom you speak with. IMHO it all boils down to three -
1. The strong capitalist type - as in Europe
2. The failed states - too many to mention
3. The pipe dream that the left promotes, but in reality has never existed.

Will any of those people I'm to speak with provide some substance, or am I on my own?
 
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Since president he has made many moves towards socialism.
His "denial is a..."
If only the blind could see.
Socialism and Capitalism isn't a dichotomy.
There is a pragmatic middle ground.
 
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Rich European capitalists have found a societal answer that work for them, and one that keeps them very rich. They make sure that the poor are cared for, and that everyone has an extensive safety net.
 
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Socialism and Capitalism isn't a dichotomy.
There is a pragmatic middle ground.

I disagree. Having a welfare state with an extensive safety net (and high taxes) has exactly ZERO to do with Socialism. Having environmental and safety regulations on capitalist businesses also has exactly ZERO to do with Socialism.

In the US, Republicans (and the far left) confuse the masses by calling safety net programs and environmental regulation "socialism". For example, It is NOT socialism to remove the tax incentives to the fossil fuel industry. It is NOT socialism to guarantee affordable health care, parental leave, affordable child care and voting rights to our citizens. Giving incentives to bring more women back into the workplace is NOT socialism.
 
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Who criticized their policy? They are a strong capitalist type of economy that has socialist programs.

Did you know that Denmark has no minimum wage?

I apologies if I thought you were criticizing European economic policy. Many Americans have wrong view of Europe. Often time conservatives says “we don’t want to bring European socialism to America” . Western Europe is a Capitalist society with many social safety nets with high tax rate. I don’t mind paying 60% tax if education, healthcare and other service are free to me.
 
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The problem of "different definitions of socialist" again.
 
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The problem of "different definitions of socialist" again.

Pretty much, although it's worth mentioning that even in a fairly conservative European country like the UK, its political suicide to be against things like universal healthcare.

Much of Europe have long established national policies that would certainly be denounced as communism in the US.
 
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The US has long-established national policies that are still denounced as communism in the US.
 
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Erm, you seem to be misunderstanding what socialism actually is. Things like a welfare state and extensive safety net for all citizens is EXACTLY what socialism is.
 
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Dozens of ways depending on whom you speak with. IMHO it all boils down to three -
1. The strong capitalist type - as in Europe
2. The failed states - too many to mention
3. The pipe dream that the left promotes, but in reality has never existed.
If that is allowed as a definition of "socialism" then obviously it isn't "failed".

Would completely agree that state communism failed.

So I only agree 100%. And disagree 10%.
 
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They pay for college the rest of their life through taxes. That is so much better than our system.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, but some ways of paying for a social good can definitely be better for individuals and for society than others.
 
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