Hypothetical question re: proportionality

[Hammster]

BTW -- the organization Black Lives Matter is a cultural Marxist organization. If you take a look at their "what we believe" page it says things such as:

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The goal of Marxists (even cultural Marxists) is economic revolution - Communism or socialism. The goal of the cultural Marxist is to fight against the power of the hegemony in order to replace the oppressive capitalist system with a fairer, Marxist system. Therefore, the hegemony indicated are the structures and institutions which prevented the Marxist revolution from taking hold in America... the Christian church, the nuclear family, straight, white, males.

And still not the topic.

 

[Gup20]

That’s not what this thread is about.

This thread is about whether the criminality of races can be determined by the ratio of those races within the overall population. The answer is no, and I showed you an example of data that demonstrates that the answer is no. This is why I said "for example."

 

[Hammster]

This thread is about whether the criminality of races can be determined by the ratio of those races within the overall population. The answer is no, and I showed you an example of data that demonstrates that the answer is no. This is why I said "for example."

No. That’s not the topic.

 

[Gup20]

And still not the topic.

You brought up "blm types."

 

[Gup20]

So your question is specific to rioters and looters?

What is your point? What message are you trying to convey?

 

[Hammster]

You brought up "blm types."

In a specific context. That didn’t mean that everything related to BLM was open for discussion.

 

[Hammster]

So your question is specific to rioters and looters?

What is your point? What message are you trying to convey?

Read the thread.

 

[Gup20]

That’s really the point of this. When the #BLM-types talks stats, it’s almost always raw numbers. I had a long discussion last week with a BLM supporter. All he would say is that blacks were killed by cops at a disproportionate rate compared to the population. But I could never get him to look at why. The why was largely irrelevant. So if all we did was look at these raw numbers, it would make it look like the cops arrested looters and rioters at a disproportionate rate, which would support the systemic racism argument.

And I think they know that the numbers don’t tell the whole story. And my anecdotal evidence is that this thread has gotten quite a few views, but the participation by those on the left has been minimal, and the responses have not actually addressed the OP. There’s just nothing to spin.

I live just outside of Minneapolis. I can tell you that the vast majority of "protesters" are black. However, when the looting for Target stores started, the vast majority of looters are black. I know several people who live in the neighborhood where Floyd was killed (I used to live there as a kid), and they say they saw a bunch of vehicles pull up with no license plates, and people dressed in head to toe riot gear (including gas masks) and they threw the Molotov cocktails and broke windows and started it all... then once local people joined in, they jumped in their cars and drove away before the police came. My buddy said they were mostly white and several of them seemed to be speaking Russian. The people who got arrested were mostly the dolts who joined in after-the-fact. see:

Then there was the palettes of bricks that were randomly showing up at all the riot sites. Might just have been a co-incidence that all the riots happened at or near construction sites.

The intelligence reporting have said that there was a coordinated attack effort, and a lot of money involved in planning and coordinating the riots.

Evidence that antifa, 'foreign actors' involved in sowing unrest and violence: AG Barr

Former Obama intelligence official secures bail for NYC lawyer accused of Molotov cocktail attack on NYPD vehicle

It also appears one of those arrested in NYC for firebombing a police car was a white lawyer... some Obama admin officials are trying to get her released... and she's interned for billionaire ANTIFA financier George Soros... very interesting.

Designating Antifa a terroist organization might be the worst nightmare for the leftists in America. MN attorney General Keith Ellison is an ardent supporter of Antifa. His son even tweeted his never ending support of Antifa AFTER they were declared a terrorist organization. By declaring them a terrorist organization, it gives the federal government broad investigative powers (those from the Patriot Act) to look at Antifa and all of it's known associates... this includes people like Keith Ellison and George Soros. I wouldn't be surprised if all the rioting and unrest was planned and coordinated. I've seen some pretty serious prophecies about there being a number of big name arrests of democrats who have plotted and planned. I find it very interesting that all of the places the "race riots" are happening are democrat controlled areas. Places the rioters can, for the most part, get away with it ... especially if the authorities in those areas are in on the coordination.

For the prophecies I'm talking about see:
See:

Part2:

 

[JacksBratt]

One of the largest determiners of criminality is fatherlessness. It turns out that regardless of race, the children of single-parent homes have a much higher rate of criminality. The black community has the highest rate of single-parent homes in the country... most estimates put it between 65-75%.

There have been several studies done which show that high rates of incarceration among the black community are due to higher rates of crime commission among the same community, not racial bias.

Take murder, for example. Black males make up 6% of the population, but commit 53% of all murders in the country. While approximately 225 blacks are killed by cops every year, only 9 of those are unarmed blacks, and all 9 of those physically or violently resisted arrest. Because of those 9, blacks feel there is systemic oppression. However, over 6000 blacks are murdered by other blacks each year. There isn't a peep about it in the news, nor do blacks feel oppressed by other blacks. Yet, the media will report that cops killing unarmed black people is a leading cause of black deaths in America!

By the way -- twice as many whites are killed by police every year than blacks... over 500 per year. 19 of those 500 were unarmed.

Great post, I have heard this also.. The family unit is paramount to the success of children.

Even to the extent that a family that eats five meals a week, together, at at table.. stands a much better chance of producing adults that are contributors to society and not in trouble with drugs, gangs and the law.

I also saw a video of a black woman who was stating that the government is perpetuating the problem by funding single moms for every child they have.. If a woman has a child and no father is around, she gets money. The more children, the more money.

This contributes greatly to the attractiveness of having a single mother, no father family.. which leads to children with no solid foundation as to a family.. which leads to gangs and crime and drugs.

 

[JacksBratt]

I live just outside of Minneapolis. I can tell you that the vast majority of "protesters" are black. However, when the looting for Target stores started, the vast majority of looters are black. I know several people who live in the neighborhood where Floyd was killed (I used to live there as a kid), and they say they saw a bunch of vehicles pull up with no license plates, and people dressed in head to toe riot gear (including gas masks) and they threw the Molotov cocktails and broke windows and started it all... then once local people joined in, they jumped in their cars and drove away before the police came. My buddy said they were mostly white and several of them seemed to be speaking Russian. The people who got arrested were mostly the dolts who joined in after-the-fact. see:

Then there was the palettes of bricks that were randomly showing up at all the riot sites. Might just have been a co-incidence that all the riots happened at or near construction sites.

The intelligence reporting have said that there was a coordinated attack effort, and a lot of money involved in planning and coordinating the riots.

Evidence that antifa, 'foreign actors' involved in sowing unrest and violence: AG Barr

Former Obama intelligence official secures bail for NYC lawyer accused of Molotov cocktail attack on NYPD vehicle

It also appears one of those arrested in NYC for firebombing a police car was a white lawyer... some Obama admin officials are trying to get her released... and she's interned for billionaire ANTIFA financier George Soros... very interesting.

Designating Antifa a terroist organization might be the worst nightmare for the leftists in America. MN attorney General Keith Ellison is an ardent supporter of Antifa. His son even tweeted his never ending support of Antifa AFTER they were declared a terrorist organization. By declaring them a terrorist organization, it gives the federal government broad investigative powers (those from the Patriot Act) to look at Antifa and all of it's known associates... this includes people like Keith Ellison and George Soros. I wouldn't be surprised if all the rioting and unrest was planned and coordinated. I've seen some pretty serious prophecies about there being a number of big name arrests of democrats who have plotted and planned. I find it very interesting that all of the places the "race riots" are happening are democrat controlled areas. Places the rioters can, for the most part, get away with it ... especially if the authorities in those areas are in on the coordination.

For the prophecies I'm talking about see:
See:

Part2:

Another great post... thank you.

 

[Gup20]

Great post, I have heard this also.. The family unit is paramount to the success of children.

Even to the extent that a family that eats five meals a week, together, at at table.. stands a much better chance of producing adults that are contributors to society and not in trouble with drugs, gangs and the law.

I also saw a video of a black woman who was stating that the government is perpetuating the problem by funding single moms for every child they have.. If a woman has a child and no father is around, she gets money. The more children, the more money.

This contributes greatly to the attractiveness of having a single mother, no father family.. which leads to children with no solid foundation as to a family.. which leads to gangs and crime and drugs.

Check this out:

 

[Chesterton]

It also appears one of those arrested in NYC for firebombing a police car was a white lawyer... some Obama admin officials are trying to get her released... and she's interned for billionaire ANTIFA financier George Soros... very interesting.

Do you have her name?

By declaring them a terrorist organization, it gives the federal government broad investigative powers (those from the Patriot Act) to look at Antifa and all of it's known associates... this includes people like Keith Ellison and George Soros.

Earlier this month Andy Ngo filed his lawsuit against Antifa. That means there'll be a discovery process, and that might mean some interesting information will be made public. We may get a better idea whether they're just low IQ punks or whether there's more behind the scenes.

 

[Gup20]

Do you have her name?

Earlier this month Andy Ngo filed his lawsuit against Antifa. That means there'll be a discovery process, and that might mean some interesting information will be made public. We may get a better idea whether they're just low IQ punks or whether there's more behind the scenes.

Former Obama intelligence official secures bail for NYC lawyer accused of Molotov cocktail attack on NYPD vehicle

A former high-level Obama administration intelligence official has guaranteed the bail for the New York City lawyer who is accused of throwing a Molotov cocktail at an NYPD vehicle. Salmah Rizvi, who worked in both the Departments of State and Defense, told the judge that the firebombing suspect is her "best friend."

Urooj Rahman was one of three people arrested this weekend, who were accused of trying to destroy NYPD vehicles. According to charging documents, Rahman tossed a Molotov cocktail at an empty police cruiser that was parked outside the 88th Precinct station house in Fort Greene around 1 a.m. Saturday.

Surveillance video captured Rahman getting into a tan van driven by Colinford Mattis, a furloughed associate of the York-based law firm Pryor Cashman and a member of Community Board 5 in East New York. Police arrested the two suspects after a brief chase in Brooklyn. In the van, police found a lighter, a bottle filled with toilet paper, and a gas tank.

Rahman was also accused of distributing incendiary devices to other rioters. Rahman and Mattis were charged with intentionally damaging a police vehicle with fire and explosives. They both face mandatory minimum sentences of five years and a maximum of 20 years in prison. Rahman's bail was set at $250,000.

Rahman, 31, is registered as an attorney in New York state and graduated from Fordham University School of Law. Rahman is friends with Rizvi, who served in the Defense Department and State Department during the Obama administration and currently an associate at the law firm Ropes & Gray, as reported by the Washington Free Beacon.

"Urooj Rahman is my best friend, and I am an associate at the law firm Ropes & Gray in Washington, D.C.," Rizvi told the judge, according to a transcript of the proceedings. "I earn $255,000 a year."

Rizvi agreed to be a surety for Rahman's bail, making her liable for the entire $250,000 amount if Rahman fails to obey the court's orders. U.S. District Judge Margo Brodie granted Rahman bail due to the "willingness of family and friends to sign on as suretors," according to Law360.

 

[Hammster]

I live just outside of Minneapolis. I can tell you that the vast majority of "protesters" are black. However, when the looting for Target stores started, the vast majority of looters are black. I know several people who live in the neighborhood where Floyd was killed (I used to live there as a kid), and they say they saw a bunch of vehicles pull up with no license plates, and people dressed in head to toe riot gear (including gas masks) and they threw the Molotov cocktails and broke windows and started it all... then once local people joined in, they jumped in their cars and drove away before the police came. My buddy said they were mostly white and several of them seemed to be speaking Russian. The people who got arrested were mostly the dolts who joined in after-the-fact. see:

Then there was the palettes of bricks that were randomly showing up at all the riot sites. Might just have been a co-incidence that all the riots happened at or near construction sites.

The intelligence reporting have said that there was a coordinated attack effort, and a lot of money involved in planning and coordinating the riots.

Evidence that antifa, 'foreign actors' involved in sowing unrest and violence: AG Barr

Former Obama intelligence official secures bail for NYC lawyer accused of Molotov cocktail attack on NYPD vehicle

It also appears one of those arrested in NYC for firebombing a police car was a white lawyer... some Obama admin officials are trying to get her released... and she's interned for billionaire ANTIFA financier George Soros... very interesting.

Designating Antifa a terroist organization might be the worst nightmare for the leftists in America. MN attorney General Keith Ellison is an ardent supporter of Antifa. His son even tweeted his never ending support of Antifa AFTER they were declared a terrorist organization. By declaring them a terrorist organization, it gives the federal government broad investigative powers (those from the Patriot Act) to look at Antifa and all of it's known associates... this includes people like Keith Ellison and George Soros. I wouldn't be surprised if all the rioting and unrest was planned and coordinated. I've seen some pretty serious prophecies about there being a number of big name arrests of democrats who have plotted and planned. I find it very interesting that all of the places the "race riots" are happening are democrat controlled areas. Places the rioters can, for the most part, get away with it ... especially if the authorities in those areas are in on the coordination.

For the prophecies I'm talking about see:
See:

Part2:

Interesting. I thought it was relevant when you started. But in the end, it’s not relevant to this thread. And not relevant to my post.

 

[Hammster]

Great post, I have heard this also.. The family unit is paramount to the success of children.

Even to the extent that a family that eats five meals a week, together, at at table.. stands a much better chance of producing adults that are contributors to society and not in trouble with drugs, gangs and the law.

I also saw a video of a black woman who was stating that the government is perpetuating the problem by funding single moms for every child they have.. If a woman has a child and no father is around, she gets money. The more children, the more money.

This contributes greatly to the attractiveness of having a single mother, no father family.. which leads to children with no solid foundation as to a family.. which leads to gangs and crime and drugs.

Not relevant to the thread.

 

[Hammster]

Check this out:

Please, can you post on topic? If these are issues you want to discuss, you can start a thread.

 

[Chesterton]

Former Obama intelligence official secures bail for NYC lawyer accused of Molotov cocktail attack on NYPD vehicle

Ah, thanks. Sorry, I didn't connect what you said with the link the first time.

 

[JacksBratt]

So your question is specific to rioters and looters?

What is your point? What message are you trying to convey?

Bingo....

 

[Hammster]

Bingo....

No, not about bingo.

 

[Gup20]

No, not about bingo.

Bingo would be more interesting than this thread that has no point.

Is your point to say that black people did the looting? Is your point to say that white people did the looting? Is your point to say that more black people looted than demo graphical ratios would suggest?

I've already posted information that shows that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites and for what reasons... so what? Whatever argument you're attempting to make, you're failing as no one here knows what the point is... and certainly no one here is convinced (of anything) by it.

Things we know:

The neighborhood is predominantly black.
The protestors were predominantly black.
The poeple who started the looting and rioting were predominantly white.
The people who did most of the looting and rioting after it started where predominantly black.
The people who were there when the police arrived and started arresting people were predominantly black.
The people across the country who have been caught on video and arrested have been predominantly well off white people.