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"If you will all turn to page one?And what would the course consist of? What are the specifics? And how would you get the other creationists (many of whom are staunchly anti-ID) to agree?
What level do you wish to discuss this at? How well trained in science are you?Oh my, no just no.
The theory of evolution is a scientific theory, creationism is not a theory, its a religious belief. They are in no way equal.
Perhaps you are referring to Plank's constant, which implies that when things get close enough together, even though they are still far enough apart to discuss the distance mathematically, they are indistinguishable physically.Oh really , that's why billions of years are continually added to attempt to cover the improbability , maybe Ken knows the mathematical theory that states when a thing becomes so statistically improbable it becomes impossible ..
Mathematically, the issue is that in order to do any science before about 10k years ago, we must make assumptions about the physical forces int he universe. If the measurements then were different from the measurements now, then any computations could be wrong. And we have no way to check those measurement. Now, scientists argue that change of measurements would show in geology or various other ways, but this is wrong and they know it, as everyone agrees that time dilates as you go over the radius of a black hole, and that there is no way those on the space ship could know they are doing this.Please show us your calculations that show this impossibility.
I will teach the scientific evidence, and the various theories. Then, I would encourage each student to choose for himself based on scientific method, and present his thoughts as a class project. If you are correct that I cannot teach evolution as one of these theories, then this is no more science than the current situation where we cannot teach creationism.Guys: Stop talking about evolution. For the purposes of this hypothetical, it's already been defeated. You've won. You get to teach an alternative. So what do you teach, and how do you get the entire creationist movement to agree on it?
Mathematically, the issue is that in order to do any science before about 10k years ago, we must make assumptions about the physical forces int he universe. If the measurements then were different from the measurements now, then any computations could be wrong. And we have no way to check those measurement. Now, scientists argue that change of measurements would show in geology or various other ways, but this is wrong and they know it, as everyone agrees that time dilates as you go over the radius of a black hole, and that there is no way those on the space ship could know they are doing this.
The world is 6,000 years old but looks older because God made it look that way.What are:
- 'Embedded Age' Creationism;
The physical forces and laws that we have today were different or non-existent in the past meaning that trying to measure the past using the physics of today is futile. This is dad's favorite.- 'Past State' Creationism?
Laugh all you want but evolutionary theory doesn't make any such claim.Evolution is a theory that tries to tell me that a finch with enough time could transform into a Galapagos Tortoise or vice/versa
I wouldn't buy that either. Good thing evolution says no such thing.Or that enough time DNA will form and function on it's own then change it's code and information on it's own ,then program its own death .. Sorry, I ain't buying
The reducible mousetrapID can be seen in everything formed including the irreducible mouse trap or that the eye could ever be anything but designed ,useless unless whole and functional from the get-go ..
What is a kind and what prevents it from becoming a new kind?Every creature and plant serves it's purpose and is perfect in it's perfect environment . Some may adapt and breed out certain traits to become recessive or dominate but kinds remain kinds limited to unchanging information contained and well defined in their DNA ..But we all know these things, just can't discuss them without the Political Correct police rushing it to shout it down .. I will not be moved ..
Considering the OP question, as a practical matter, you can reasonably assume that the level will be appropriate to a unit (10-20 classroom hours) in a "pass" science class for non-college-bound high school sophomores taught by a PE coach.What level do you wish to discuss this at? How well trained in science are you?
My point is that we cannot know (as a scientist). We cannot be certain that the laws we use to make scientific inference were the same then as they are now.So are you claiming that life coming from natural processes is impossible or not? I don't really get the point of your post.
They aren't learning anything now in such classes. The PE coach can teach anything he wants, the result will be the same. They will have to wait until a better situation comes along to learn any science.Considering the OP question, as a practical matter, you can reasonably assume that the level will be appropriate to a unit (10-20 classroom hours) in a "pass" science class for non-college-bound high school sophomores taught by a PE coach.
And what would the course consist of? What are the specifics? And how would you get the other creationists (many of whom are staunchly anti-ID) to agree?
What level do you wish to discuss this at? How well trained in science are you?
Nothing substantive about ID theory in it--it's just the usual ignorant slanderous rant about how evolution is atheistic.I'd start here and work out , maybe start at the 13:00 mark for 5 or 6 minutes if your attention span is too short
Okay. Always glad to meet someone with no doubts.There isnt anything to discuss. I'm right and you are wrong.
Your arguments are not scientific at all.
In your 3,000,000 post history have you actually ever made an argument that was not fallacious or nonsensical?
No, I'm a college math professor. I know what real teaching of science is.
Nothing substantive about ID theory in it--it's just the usual ignorant slanderous rant about how evolution is atheistic.
If you are going to teach ID, you have to actually teach ID.
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